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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.18 17:55:00 -
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Greetings spacefriends.
Those of you who have read the CSM minutes (You've read the CSM minutes, right?) will already know that we have a modest package of Black Ops tweaks in the pipeline that didn't quite make it into Retribution 1.0. These changes are meant to reduce some of the difficulties using Black Ops battleships for covert bridging, and hopefully open up some more options for those of you who are or will be involved in covert gameplay. This is not the big Black Ops rebalance, and we here at CCP do not consider Black Ops "done" after these changes. We are putting these tweaks out now since it may be a while before we can get to the full Black Ops rebalance and we don't want to leave them in their current state in the meantime.
None of this will be a surprise to you avid minute-readers, but for everyone else here's what we have planned:
- Increase the base jump range of all Black Ops ships to 3.5 light years (equal to that of Titans)
- Reduce the mass multipler used for Covert Jump Portal fuel costs from 0.00000018 to 0.000000135 (Reduces the fuel cost of covert bridges by 25%)
- Increase the fuel bay on all Black Ops to 1250m3 (25% increase)
These changes will not be in the current Sisi build but should be in the build after that so you can start playing with them. We're aiming to have the changes out in Retribution 1.1 on February 12th.
Let us know what you think of the proposed changes in this thread. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3869
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:02:00 -
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OHSNAP Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Blake Halsted
Procyon Holdings
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:02:00 -
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/me blows dust off my space potato Sin |
Jack bubu
GK inc. Pandemic Legion
404
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:02:00 -
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vouch |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
3061
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:04:00 -
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Yay. I'd like to see the CPU use of the jump portal decreased as well, but this is a great start CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Adrenalinemax
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:06:00 -
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Dusts off Widow and cyno 5 alts |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:16:00 -
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Finally my Widow will have a better use than sitting outside starter systems for new players to ooh and arrr at.
I would propose that the fuel bay size is still maybe a tad too small; jumping a blockade runner through with you to provide fuel is going to eat up a lot of fuel you originally had in the first place. This is doubly so if the fuel use is going to increase from jumping longer ranges. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1016
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:16:00 -
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Nice |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
267
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:19:00 -
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good changes to start off with! definitely |
Tomytronic
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:19:00 -
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It's hotdrop o'clock. |
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Kais Fiddler
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:19:00 -
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Perfect, a great holdover for blops pilots. |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:21:00 -
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We of Dirt Nap Squad are appalled at these changes, and demand that Black Ops be nerfed, not buffed.
Why, if you make the ships useful, pretty soon, everyone will want a piece of our action! The Sarcasm is Strong with Me GÇó Member of CSM 5-7 GÇó Blog |
Temp McJitaTemp
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:22:00 -
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without giving BLops a combat buff they'll still suck, but after those changes they'll suck a little less. |
dbrummer
ASTARTES CORP Hashashin Cartel
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:24:00 -
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Yes Yes Yes!! Thanks! |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
72
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:33:00 -
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So.... BLOps are still just over-glorified taxis? Albeit improved ones. Yay?
Seriously, should have just used haulers as the base model for these rather than Battleships. |
Javelin6
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:41:00 -
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Thank you CCP for doing SOMETHING. You guys aren't off the hook, but this is definitely appreciated.
Again, thank you. |
xVx dreadnaught
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:47:00 -
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Want to make the Black Ops more worthwhile flying?
Simple, give them their racial EWAR bonus.
Right now the only ship benefiting from it's racial EWAR bonus is the Widow, and to good effect, because why would I jump a billion isk ship into a fight, when I could throw a stealth bomber into the battle instead, with almost double the DPS at a fraction of the cost?
Making the Sin a long range point with damps, the Redeemer a close range neut boat like the Pilgrim and the Panther a web bonus like the panther would make them more worth fielding.
- Dread |
Xtover
Wormholers Anonymous Transmission Lost
80
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Posted - 2013.01.18 18:59:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:We of Dirt Nap Squad are appalled at these changes, and demand that Black Ops be nerfed, not buffed. Why, if you make the ships useful, pretty soon, everyone will want a piece of our action!
The pig may get some action?
edit: I miss being in DNS at times. |
Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Fatal Ascension
395
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Posted - 2013.01.18 19:01:00 -
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GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:good changes to start off with!
as i know you were looking into having 2 lines of Black ops BS's Fozzie, (one combat line another bridging line) how about this idea:
Combat line: bonuses to tank - black ops skill lvl Bridging line: 5% bonus to bridging range - black ops skill lvl.
(yes this will mean max bonused range = 9.84ly) Black Ops are about penetrating enemy territory after all and as the types and number of ships able to be bridge are significantly less it does make it less OP than it initially seems.
Two lines of black ops??
Hey Fozzie, care to elaborate? Kick Heim... MATE |
NUXI7
B0rthole Test Alliance Please Ignore
122
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Posted - 2013.01.18 19:25:00 -
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xVx dreadnaught wrote:Want to make the Black Ops more worthwhile flying?
Simple, give them their racial EWAR bonus.
Right now the only ship benefiting from it's racial EWAR bonus is the Widow, and to good effect, because why would I jump a billion isk ship into a fight, when I could throw a stealth bomber into the battle instead, with almost double the DPS at a fraction of the cost?
Making the Sin a long range point with damps, the Redeemer a close range neut boat like the Pilgrim and the Panther a web bonus like the panther would make them more worth fielding.
- Dread
Ranged webs on a blap panther? oh god. I want one. |
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.01.18 19:27:00 -
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These quality of life buffs are excellent pain relievers till Black Ops take their turn in the larger ship balancing effort.
Thank you very much to CCP Fozzie and everyone who worked on Q+A on these much asked for and much appreciated tweaks. "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM 4 vet, CSM7 Hero Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.01.18 19:36:00 -
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still **** |
Rascal deJascal
Nova-Tek
10
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Posted - 2013.01.18 19:38:00 -
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Haro is gonna love these changes. |
Gah'Matar
Knights of the Nyan
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Posted - 2013.01.18 19:39:00 -
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Would prefer a bigger drop in isotopes. Even to the expense of a lesser gain in range. |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
432
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Posted - 2013.01.18 19:58:00 -
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Well this is sooner than expected, but can't wait to see what else might be done with them ;) Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
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Posted - 2013.01.18 20:12:00 -
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Heimdallofasgard wrote: Two lines of black ops??
Hey Fozzie, care to elaborate?
:)
CSM CSM Meetings December 2012 wrote: Ytterbium and Fozzie stated that their vision for a future BO revamp (after the initial jump range/fuel change) was that it would include two lines GÇô a combat-oriented BO and a bridging/covert oriented one.
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Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Fatal Ascension
396
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Posted - 2013.01.18 20:16:00 -
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GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:Heimdallofasgard wrote: Two lines of black ops??
Hey Fozzie, care to elaborate?
:) CSM CSM Meetings December 2012 wrote: Ytterbium and Fozzie stated that their vision for a future BO revamp (after the initial jump range/fuel change) was that it would include two lines GÇô a combat-oriented BO and a bridging/covert oriented one.
I can see it now... lachesis scrams with a domi tank *swooooon*... or... or... Armageddon hull... with curse drones and neuts... jesus... this is gonna be a tough one to balance... Good luck with that Fozzmeister! Kick Heim... MATE |
Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
190
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Posted - 2013.01.18 20:18:00 -
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Two step wrote:Yay. I'd like to see the CPU use of the jump portal decreased as well, but this is a great start
this, please...
and it will be perfect until the summer expansion arrives Allow us to change characters of the same account without the need to logout and put the password again. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
300
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Posted - 2013.01.18 20:20:00 -
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So Fozzie, does this mean the test server will be up today? This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
432
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Posted - 2013.01.18 20:30:00 -
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GeeShizzle MacCloud wrote:good changes to start off with!
as i know you were looking into having 2 lines of Black ops BS's Fozzie, (one combat line another bridging line)
Having 2 lines might cause problems such as one will never be used, kinda like the ones we have right now. The bridging line might look like what we have right now and you see the comments
TrouserDeagle wrote: still ****
Temp McJitaTemp wrote: without giving BLops a combat buff they'll still suck, but after those changes they'll suck a little less.
Vladimir Norkoff wrote: So.... BLOps are still just over-glorified taxis? Albeit improved ones. Yay?
Seriously, should have just used haulers as the base model for these rather than Battleships.
Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
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