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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
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Posted - 2013.01.19 20:41:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:Mickeysoft (Microsoft) hasn't gone out of business, and everything they have ever released has been garbage. Go figure. Welcome back to the forums, NickyYo.
I guess that is supposed to mean something to me. Sorry. It doesn't.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
464
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Posted - 2013.01.19 20:53:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:The problem is that I don't really like the way that the game has been going. More precisely, the direction that the game seems to be headed in. I didn't realize until the CSM 7 December Meeting Notes came out, that CCP is the driving force behind many of the things I don't like. I thought that stuff just happened on it's own and CCP didn't care enough to do anything about it.
Thus my post. Do they know what they are doing and the effect it is having? Are they willing to change direction if a better direction is pointed out to them? It doesn't seem that either is true.
CCP clearly knows what is going on and the effect it is having. CCP will not change its direction because of one forum whiner with zero information that thinks he knows more than CCP. CCP makes the game CCP wants to play and will not turn it into WoW in space no matter how many ridiculous claims you make about how much more money it will make.
Fact is that changing EVE to fit with other MMORPGs will kill it in less than a year and CCP knows this. EVE is a niche game and will *only* survive by playing to their strengths. This is basic business 101. What you want is for EVE to copy other MMORPGs. This results in failure such as when microsoft released the Zune to copy the iPod. Look it up. You want to turn EVE into the freaking Zune and you think it will make money. You have zero business sense and CCP will happily ignore you and continue to be successful. |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.01.19 20:55:00 -
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Nicor Syke'Nexen wrote:lets see:
worried about company income? check
worried about sub numbers? check
i smell an ex-wow player... anyone else?
No one wants to play by themselves except maybe miners.
CCP has to pay the bills somehow and if enough people quit without new subsciprtions then they have to lay off developers which results in less expansion which results in less players which result in a handful of people playing by themselves before they shut down the server.
If you like eve and understand the position CCP is in, you have to understand they need to replace subscription losses some how.
How they go about it is completly up to CCP and the people who own the company.
SImply whining in the forums that CCP shouldn't try to get new subscriptions won't fly because its suicidal for CCP to attempt to simply keep the status quo.
I'm not saying CCP should turn EvE into WoW, but they have to constantly change the game to keep it fresh or people will eventually get bored and quit the game.
Its what they have been doing for the past 10 years and will most likley continue to change the game as they see fit. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby" |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
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Posted - 2013.01.19 21:01:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:The problem is that I don't really like the way that the game has been going. More precisely, the direction that the game seems to be headed in. I didn't realize until the CSM 7 December Meeting Notes came out, that CCP is the driving force behind many of the things I don't like. I thought that stuff just happened on it's own and CCP didn't care enough to do anything about it.
Thus my post. Do they know what they are doing and the effect it is having? Are they willing to change direction if a better direction is pointed out to them? It doesn't seem that either is true. CCP clearly knows what is going on and the effect it is having. CCP will not change its direction because of one forum whiner with zero information that thinks he knows more than CCP. CCP makes the game CCP wants to play and will not turn it into WoW in space no matter how many ridiculous claims you make about how much more money it will make. Fact is that changing EVE to fit with other MMORPGs will kill it in less than a year and CCP knows this. EVE is a niche game and will *only* survive by playing to their strengths. This is basic business 101. What you want is for EVE to copy other MMORPGs. This results in failure such as when microsoft released the Zune to copy the iPod. Look it up. You want to turn EVE into the freaking Zune and you think it will make money. You have zero business sense and CCP will happily ignore you and continue to be successful.
As I have said, many times, I have never played any other online game. Consequently, I know nothing about them. Also, I have never heard of a Zune.
Since when did I become a whiner? Is that the new term for people who disagree with the status quo? If so. it is nice to know, but doesn't do anything to fix the problems.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3696
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Posted - 2013.01.19 21:08:00 -
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The only competitor to EvE, is EvE itself.
The secret to increase subs? Deliver more awesome patches like Apochrypha (and even Retribution, cruisers pew pew speaking) and less garbage like Dominion and Tyrannis and they are set to success. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1605
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Posted - 2013.01.19 21:09:00 -
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In an effort to make "more" money Coca-Cola sells syrup to bottlers in other countries, who damn near all are violating human rights laws. The parent company Coca-Cola is constantly being suid by human rights groups for supporting those bottlers and continueing to sell them syrup, to make "more" money.
Extreme example is extreme, but it illustrates this simple point.
Just because you can do something to make more money, doesn't mean you SHOULD.
Shitting on your customers to attract people who SHOULDN'T be playing EVE to begin with, is not an option just because it can make you "more" money.
And, It's that very mentality that, "it'll make you more money" that leads to companies like Coke doing the things they do, as well as the ability to get away with it. People who think that way tend to not give a **** what's being done, especially when it's not effecting THEM adversely.
Who cares if they **** on the rest of us to make more money, that's what you're saying, right? |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
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Posted - 2013.01.19 21:16:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:The only competitor to EvE, is EvE itself.
The secret to increase subs? Deliver more awesome patches like Apochrypha (and even Retribution, cruisers pew pew speaking) and less garbage like Dominion and Tyrannis and they are set to success.
You are right, unfortunately, about Eve being it's only competitor. That's actually pretty sad. No incentive to change their mindset.
I don't agree that more shiney upgrades are going to save the game, though. It appears to me, and maybe me only, that when CCP reaches their goal, whatever that is, we're all going to be neck deep in faeces in an uninhabitable universe. Then the games of 'Russin Sleigh Ride' will start, excpet that people will be volunteering to be thrown to the wolves. |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
63
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Posted - 2013.01.19 21:20:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:In an effort to make "more" money Coca-Cola sells syrup to bottlers in other countries, who damn near all are violating human rights laws. The parent company Coca-Cola is constantly being suid by human rights groups for supporting those bottlers and continueing to sell them syrup, to make "more" money.
Extreme example is extreme, but it illustrates this simple point.
Just because you can do something to make more money, doesn't mean you SHOULD.
Shitting on your customers to attract people who SHOULDN'T be playing EVE to begin with, is not an option just because it can make you "more" money.
And, It's that very mentality that, "it'll make you more money" that leads to companies like Coke doing the things they do, as well as the ability to get away with it. People who think that way tend to not give a **** what's being done, especially when it's not effecting THEM adversely.
Who cares if they **** on the rest of us to make more money, that's what you're saying, right?
The extra money would be a side effect only. One I think that might interest them more than any humanitarian consideration.
And who decides who is and isn't suited to play Eve? You? If CCP had ever even given a thought to that, there wouldn't be trial accounts.
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Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.01.19 21:31:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:In an effort to make "more" money Coca-Cola sells syrup to bottlers in other countries, who damn near all are violating human rights laws. The parent company Coca-Cola is constantly being suid by human rights groups for supporting those bottlers and continueing to sell them syrup, to make "more" money.
Extreme example is extreme, but it illustrates this simple point.
Just because you can do something to make more money, doesn't mean you SHOULD.
Shitting on your customers to attract people who SHOULDN'T be playing EVE to begin with, is not an option just because it can make you "more" money.
And, It's that very mentality that, "it'll make you more money" that leads to companies like Coke doing the things they do, as well as the ability to get away with it. People who think that way tend to not give a **** what's being done, especially when it's not effecting THEM adversely.
Who cares if they **** on the rest of us to make more money, that's what you're saying, right?
Welcome to 21st century capitalism.
By law, publicly owned companies are suppose to everything within the law (and in legal gray areas) to maximize profit in order to give a return to shareholders.
This means doing bad things like laying off hard working employees, shipping production overseas to basically slave labor conditions, exploting tax loopholes, and basically get away with any morally questionable behaviores they can get away with in order to maximize profit.
Don't like it. Vote with your wallet and watch how you can't buy basically anythign worth a damn.
Chances are your computer was made in a factory in China where they basically poop on the employees rights and pay them wages that are a crime.
Also chances are the hard drive you have was made in Thailand which is notorious for freedom of speach violations of its citizens (can't talk bad about the king).
By the fact you have a computer means you are complicit with both the Chinese and Thailandese authoritarian governments and support corporations who sole duty is to maximize profits.
Guess what we can talk about how bad it is (I'd vote socialist if they were viable parties) but you are just as guilty as the next person for buying the products.
CCP is a privatley held company so its only beholden two its owners which according wikipedia is Navator Partners and Geeral Catalyst Partners which the former specializesin telecommunications, pharmaceuticals and financial services and the later is a venture capital firm.
Those two companies don't care about whines on the forums. They want a return on their invesment and if CCP does poorly they will start pulling the strings just like any other business owners who want their invesment return.
Its simply the fact of capitalism. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby" |
Hosanna
Isktr
0
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Posted - 2013.01.19 21:32:00 -
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Well it has gone to way I wish it had not. Via unnecessarily complicating basic functions like chat channels and inventorys. Cant see anything new that is good coming from those guys. |
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
64
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Posted - 2013.01.19 21:36:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:In an effort to make "more" money Coca-Cola sells syrup to bottlers in other countries, who damn near all are violating human rights laws. The parent company Coca-Cola is constantly being suid by human rights groups for supporting those bottlers and continueing to sell them syrup, to make "more" money.
Extreme example is extreme, but it illustrates this simple point.
Just because you can do something to make more money, doesn't mean you SHOULD.
Shitting on your customers to attract people who SHOULDN'T be playing EVE to begin with, is not an option just because it can make you "more" money.
And, It's that very mentality that, "it'll make you more money" that leads to companies like Coke doing the things they do, as well as the ability to get away with it. People who think that way tend to not give a **** what's being done, especially when it's not effecting THEM adversely.
Who cares if they **** on the rest of us to make more money, that's what you're saying, right? Welcome to 21st century capitalism. Those two companies don't care about whines on the forums. They want a return on their invesment and if CCP does poorly they will start pulling the strings just like any other business owners who want their invesment return. Its simply the fact of capitalism.
You're talking about a side issue. The discussion is about CCP's focus. Is it right. Are they headed in the right direction. I certainly don't think so.
EDIT: I don't think they are headed in the right direction for either CCP or the players. |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.01.19 21:40:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:In an effort to make "more" money Coca-Cola sells syrup to bottlers in other countries, who damn near all are violating human rights laws. The parent company Coca-Cola is constantly being suid by human rights groups for supporting those bottlers and continueing to sell them syrup, to make "more" money.
Extreme example is extreme, but it illustrates this simple point.
Just because you can do something to make more money, doesn't mean you SHOULD.
Shitting on your customers to attract people who SHOULDN'T be playing EVE to begin with, is not an option just because it can make you "more" money.
And, It's that very mentality that, "it'll make you more money" that leads to companies like Coke doing the things they do, as well as the ability to get away with it. People who think that way tend to not give a **** what's being done, especially when it's not effecting THEM adversely.
Who cares if they **** on the rest of us to make more money, that's what you're saying, right? Welcome to 21st century capitalism. Those two companies don't care about whines on the forums. They want a return on their invesment and if CCP does poorly they will start pulling the strings just like any other business owners who want their invesment return. Its simply the fact of capitalism. You're talking about a side issue. The discussion is about CCP's focus. Is it right. Are they headed in the right direction. I certainly don't think so.
I'm not really saying what CCP is doing is right or wrong, I'm just stating its reality of the system. In the end they'll do what they think will maximize profits in order to give their owners a return in their invesment.
Hell the CCP devs may even be in disagreement of what their parent companies what them to do (we don't know), but in the end the owners of the company call the shots and obviously that is a return on their investment. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby" |
Xinivrae
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
267
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Posted - 2013.01.19 21:43:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:You're talking about a side issue. The discussion is about CCP's focus. Is it right. Are they headed in the right direction. I certainly don't think so.
EDIT: I don't think they are headed in the right direction for either CCP or the players.
You're so right. I'm glad you came to this place to enlighten us poor, ignorant sheeple with this new, original perspective. Really. |
Google Voices
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.01.19 21:52:00 -
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CCP has chosen the wrong path......
Would you like to know more?
I am the voices of Google! Want answers? Learn to read...... |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
64
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Posted - 2013.01.19 22:00:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:
I'm not really saying what CCP is doing is right or wrong, I'm just stating its reality of the system. In the end they'll do what they think will maximize profits in order to give their owners a return in their invesment.
Hell the CCP devs may even be in disagreement of what their parent companies what them to do (we don't know), but in the end the owners of the company call the shots and obviously that is a return on their investment.
This I agree with, but I'm not trying to get at the devs, even they are the most visible part of CCP. I think we need to give the bean counters something to think about.
Change will have to be from top down, but I think change is necessary.
From the meeting notes, it appears that the devs, fow whatever reason, are trying to integrate a single person shooter with a space exploration game, and doing it badly.
The CSM may have been just a clever PR move, especially since they don't really seem to have ANY say in anything, but who are the CSMs? People who have been playing long enough to have enough friends to get them elected. Doesn't that kind of suggest that they have already accepted CCP's focus on development, whether they actually like it or not?
Does CCP ever really look at the reasons that Trial accounts don't turn into subscriptions? I doubt that there is any way to find out why the people who say 'no' do that. I think CCP really ought to care. Admittedly, someone who plays for five minutes and then quits because he got ganked by a can dropper doesn't leave a big footprint behind, but you can't blame him for leaving. Losing his first ship for reasons unknown is not what most people consider fun.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1638
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Posted - 2013.01.19 22:14:00 -
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I always feel that the biggest problem with CCPs design is "Thats a good idea" mentality, how often have they thought "Thats a good idea" and wasted hundreds of man hours doing up videos for fanfest or implemented things into the game without asking the players or the CSM if it is something they think is a priority or that they actually want.
Look at the time and resources wasted on WiS, now personally I like WiS but what happened was that they kept starting the same project over and over again as someone came up with a new "good idea", so in the end millions of dollars were wasted and we got a CQ almost no one uses, a massive number of unsubs and a clothing store.
Other good ideas include
The UI, bounty hunting and frankly piles more fluff that I can't be bothered looking up.
What occurred for the following to happen "Unifex stated that what CCP did was spend effort and prototype what would make a good POS system. It would, however, only affect the group of people who manage POSes. Focusing that amount of time and effort on some small singular aspect of the game and delivering only that GÇ£is what will kill the businessGÇ¥. (page 37)
I think it was another "good idea", he was going on about making PI something for tablets and frankly probably didn't want to do the POS revamp so as to have the resources for that. Now once again I like the idea but it is another example of "The Good Idea"
So while some "Good Ideas" are exactly that we do have a CSM for a reason and a large part of that is to tell CCP when it stuffs it up. Preferably before they get to the waste millions of dollars stage.
Unlike one CSM member who thinks it is to mindlessly praise CCP and put down fellow CSM members. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3233
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Posted - 2013.01.19 22:18:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:Does CCP ever really look at the reasons that Trial accounts don't turn into subscriptions? I doubt that there is any way to find out why the people who say 'no' do that. I think CCP really ought to care. Admittedly, someone who plays for five minutes and then quits because he got ganked by a can dropper doesn't leave a big footprint behind, but you can't blame him for leaving. Losing his first ship for reasons unknown is not what most people consider fun. Make highsec safer. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
281
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Posted - 2013.01.19 22:30:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:Does CCP ever really look at the reasons that Trial accounts don't turn into subscriptions? I doubt that there is any way to find out why the people who say 'no' do that. I think CCP really ought to care. Admittedly, someone who plays for five minutes and then quits because he got ganked by a can dropper doesn't leave a big footprint behind, but you can't blame him for leaving. Losing his first ship for reasons unknown is not what most people consider fun. Make highsec safer.
Somehow I don't think this would be a good idea.
Before anything else there are mainly two things that keep people from EVE.
First and foremost it is the ever-famous "EVE learning cliff" which in all honesty more or less translates to EVE interface more than anything else. The mechanics themselves, whilst numerous are rather easy to learn if you actually bother breaking them down into smaller pieces. The latest overhauls on the interfaces have been marvellous however and should keep improving as they have lately. The fitting screen would be a good candidate to revamp next. Whilst I am not a general fan of "hand-holding", for instance T1 fitting suggestions could be an option worth having.
Second reason which is probably more overlooked than people would think, is that many players are not that good/used to setting their own goals alternatively EVE is not good at telling players what goals that are potentially available.
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
64
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Posted - 2013.01.19 22:33:00 -
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Now we are getting somewhere. Two posts in a row that I totally agree with, and are right on the track of the thread.
I was hoping I wasn't the only one who saw the problems. :)
Ooops, too slow. There's a dissenter in the house. |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
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Posted - 2013.01.19 22:39:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:Does CCP ever really look at the reasons that Trial accounts don't turn into subscriptions? I doubt that there is any way to find out why the people who say 'no' do that. I think CCP really ought to care. Admittedly, someone who plays for five minutes and then quits because he got ganked by a can dropper doesn't leave a big footprint behind, but you can't blame him for leaving. Losing his first ship for reasons unknown is not what most people consider fun. Make highsec safer. Somehow I don't think this would be a good idea. Before anything else there are mainly two things that keep people from EVE. First and foremost it is the ever-famous "EVE learning cliff" which in all honesty more or less translates to EVE interface more than anything else. The mechanics themselves, whilst numerous are rather easy to learn if you actually bother breaking them down into smaller pieces. The latest overhauls on the interfaces have been marvellous however and should keep improving as they have lately. The fitting screen would be a good candidate to revamp next. Whilst I am not a general fan of "hand-holding", for instance T1 fitting suggestions could be an option worth having. Second reason which is probably more overlooked than people would think, is that many players are not that good/used to setting their own goals alternatively EVE is not good at telling players what goals that are potentially available.
Both good points. I've been told many times that Eve isn't like other games. The thing that bothers me, though, is the number of people who don't even stay with it long enough to find out that the learning curve is steep because CCP seems to enjoy new players getting blown up. I can't see that adding much to the stability of the economy, or anything else.
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Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.01.19 23:29:00 -
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If this was already mentioned, then my apologies, but does everyone have short memories here?
Just to put this thread in a bit of context, in a previous thread the opening poster stated that he had allowed a member of goonswarm into his corp. You can probably guess what happened, when he went out to mission with his new goonswarm corp mate his navy raven got blown up. To which the OP kicked everyone in his corp for his own stupid mistake, including the new players a little more than a few weeks old. He then proceeded to make a long whine thread how this wasn't fair and that this shouldn't happen, despite the fact everyone pointed out to him that CCP pretty much states that Eve is a dark unforgiving place where spies and espionage is common place.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=188097
So this thread just sounds like more whining from the OP to me. OP please leave the game as CCP is never going to change this to WOW in space just for you. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3233
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Posted - 2013.01.19 23:47:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:If this was already mentioned, then my apologies, but does everyone have short memories here? Just to put this thread in a bit of context, in a previous thread the opening poster stated that he had allowed a member of goonswarm into his corp. You can probably guess what happened, when he went out to mission with his new goonswarm corp mate his navy raven got blown up. To which the OP kicked everyone in his corp for his own stupid mistake, including the new players a little more than a few weeks old. He then proceeded to make a long whine thread how this wasn't fair and that this shouldn't happen, despite the fact everyone pointed out to him that CCP pretty much states that Eve is a dark unforgiving place where spies and espionage is common place. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=188097So this thread just sounds like more whining from the OP to me. OP please leave the game as CCP is never going to change this to WOW in space just for you. Yeah, people like that ... what happened to the poor newbies? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Xinivrae
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
267
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Posted - 2013.01.19 23:57:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:If this was already mentioned, then my apologies, but does everyone have short memories here? Just to put this thread in a bit of context, in a previous thread the opening poster stated that he had allowed a member of goonswarm into his corp. You can probably guess what happened, when he went out to mission with his new goonswarm corp mate his navy raven got blown up. To which the OP kicked everyone in his corp for his own stupid mistake, including the new players a little more than a few weeks old. He then proceeded to make a long whine thread how this wasn't fair and that this shouldn't happen, despite the fact everyone pointed out to him that CCP pretty much states that Eve is a dark unforgiving place where spies and espionage is common place. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=188097So this thread just sounds like more whining from the OP to me. OP please leave the game as CCP is never going to change this to WOW in space just for you.
Now it makes sense. Geez, why can't people just learn from their mistakes instead of demanding that the game be changed to suit them? |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
578
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Posted - 2013.01.20 02:39:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:What if CCP is building a game that isn't what people want to play? I keep playing because there are parts of the game I like, even though I don't like most of it. After reading the CSM7 Meeting Minutes, it appears that CCP is responsible for a lot of the things I don't like.
Originally, I blamed the problem on the players, but, after the CSM7 meeting, I think I'm starting to see where the real problem lies.
As developers of the game, they can take it in any direction they want as long as people are still willing to pay for it. But are they even headed in the direction that will make them the most money?
They mention, periodically, that they have 100s of thousands of players, but the information on paying subscribers seems to be hard to find. What are the chances that they are counting the thousands of trial accounts that have expired as 'players', or the three accounts I have that I shut down? Figuring out how many paying subscribers they have should be trivial, but I've never seen it mentioned anywhere.
Sorry for getting side-tracked there. The real issue is, are they ignoring the options that would make this game more accessible and more desirable to more people, and to us, the active players?
Do they still have the Incarna mindset? That what the players want doesn't matter?
I see that stats there are more people playing sinds start why is that because the game is that bad? So people want that. Nah the are doing a great job so far offcourse not all change is great however there is a bigger picture that only you, |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
65
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Posted - 2013.01.20 02:58:00 -
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Wow! You guys just noticed the other thread, listed on the same page? A bunch of budding Sherlock Holmeses. Unfortunately, you didn't read enough of it. Short attention spans? Hmmm. There's medication for that.
Don't know what WoW is. Never played it, so the reference means nothing.
You obviously have only read the parts of this thread that you wanted to as well.
I'm sorry, but opinions like yours are not the ones I am interested in. Try looking for the posts that agree with me. There aren't many, but are we the crazy ones? I wouldn't keep posting if I thought we were.
The original post was a question, not a declaration. As ususal, in the Eve Forums, more commonly known as Fight Pits, most of the responses have been irrelevant, meaningless, or obvious knee-jerk reactions.
People, save yourself some time. If you don't like the thread, ignore it.
Believe me, a whole lot of things will have to change before CCP moves it's peanut brain, and elephant butt into a new track.
EDIT: Oh, more people playing since the game started? I don't think I need to comment on that. |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
157
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Posted - 2013.01.20 03:21:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote: Don't know what WoW is. Never played it, so the reference means nothing.
You should try it. I don't think you "get" what EVE is and you probably never will because:
Not Politically Correct wrote: I'm sorry, but opinions like yours are not the ones I am interested in
So why don't you give me all your ISK and contract me all your stuff and spare us yet another whining post about how bad you are at this game. |
Xinivrae
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Not Politically Correct wrote:The original post was a question, not a declaration.
That's not true at all, you just said so.
Quote:I'm sorry, but opinions like yours are not the ones I am interested in. Try looking for the posts that agree with me. There aren't many, but are we the crazy ones? I wouldn't keep posting if I thought we were.
You're just looking for people to agree with you. To quote you further
Quote:You obviously have only read the parts of this thread that you wanted to as well.
People, save yourself some time. If you don't like the thread, ignore it.
Wow, looks like it goes both ways, huh?
This isn't general statements or general hug box. It's general discussion, an exchange between parties, and you're not listening to the other side. Heck, even the people who had empathy for you in the other thread told you to learn from it and move on. |
Nico elScorpio
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.20 03:41:00 -
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I wanna play a game that is exactly how the creators want it to be. When i don't like it that way (any more), i just leave.
Obviously a lot of people (including me) like EvE how CCP wants it to be.
Things evolve and change all the time, change causes uncertainty, uncertainty causes fear for a lot of people ("I don't want to lose what i got please nooo!!").
Just understand your own Psychology and take things, that you cannot influence, as they are. Why all the negativity? |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
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Posted - 2013.01.20 03:52:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote: Don't know what WoW is. Never played it, so the reference means nothing.
You should try it. I don't think you "get" what EVE is and you probably never will because: Not Politically Correct wrote: I'm sorry, but opinions like yours are not the ones I am interested in
So why don't you give me all your ISK and contract me all your stuff and spare us yet another whining post about how bad you are at this game.
I've been playing since July of 2009. Not sure about you, but I'm still hanging on, and making ISK. I'm just not enjoying it as much as I used to. :)
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
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Posted - 2013.01.20 03:56:00 -
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Xinivrae, you are irrelevant.
Other poster, why sit here, like a rock, and endure something that could be a good game turn into a bad game, when there is something that can be done about it?
I don't play any other online games, or any other games of any type, as I have said many times. Why would I leave this one instead of trying to make it better?
EDIT: Is that the way you address all problems? If you run into one, run away? Sorry, I'm not that kind of person. |
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