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shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
337
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Posted - 2013.02.10 18:34:00 -
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mynnna wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:mynnna wrote:BUY MY MINERALS ALREADY. ^lol Nah, just a public service announcement. I'm saving my minerals for BS tiericide anyway.
Eve Online, known for its benovelence and altruistic player base. Who if not a goon to point that out!
So you are saying we should all hop on the tiercide BC-mfg train but you keep your mins for the BS adjustment because you dont want a piece of the cake just for the lolz. OK! shar'ra phone home |
Illest Insurrectionist
The Scope Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2013.02.10 18:50:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:mynnna wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:mynnna wrote:BUY MY MINERALS ALREADY. ^lol Nah, just a public service announcement. I'm saving my minerals for BS tiericide anyway. Eve Online, known for its benovelence and altruistic player base. Who if not a goon to point that out! So you are saying we should all hop on the tiercide BC-mfg train but you keep your mins for the BS adjustment because you dont want a piece of the cake just for the lolz. OK!
Because minerals will stop being a thing, right?
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4419
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Posted - 2013.02.10 19:47:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:mynnna wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:mynnna wrote:BUY MY MINERALS ALREADY. ^lol Nah, just a public service announcement. I'm saving my minerals for BS tiericide anyway. Eve Online, known for its benovelence and altruistic player base. Who if not a goon to point that out! So you are saying we should all hop on the tiercide BC-mfg train but you keep your mins for the BS adjustment because you dont want a piece of the cake just for the lolz. OK! its really really hilarious to tell moronic pubbies the exact truth because then they believe down is up and white is black because goons said up is up and white is white |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1128
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Posted - 2013.02.10 21:35:00 -
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As an absolute percentage of invested isk, you'd probably have done better on frigates and cruisers. BCs will probably be somewhat better than Battleships in absolute percentages.
However, the return speed on battleships should be faster for an equal investment of ISK, as the numbers are smaller. Easier to sell 1 BS, rather than 3 BC.
But a BC investment isn't a bad idea. It'll take a while to pay off though. But it's an /easy/ payoff. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Illest Insurrectionist
The Scope Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2013.02.10 21:54:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:As an absolute percentage of invested isk, you'd probably have done better on frigates and cruisers. BCs will probably be somewhat better than Battleships in absolute percentages.
However, the return speed on battleships should be faster for an equal investment of ISK, as the numbers are smaller. Easier to sell 1 BS, rather than 3 BC.
But a BC investment isn't a bad idea. It'll take a while to pay off though. But it's an /easy/ payoff.
Armageddons are nearly 1/3 that of an Abaddon currently.
There certainly is room for the battleships to be a bigger absolute percentage.
You can always refine your battle-cruisers the day before the battleship patch and convert them with minimal loss.
I'm not certain all battleships starting at ~250mil would be CCP's goal. It'll be an interesting year for ship builders regardless of their end plan. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
376
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Posted - 2013.02.10 22:21:00 -
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My grandmja is also going to make battlecruisers |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1129
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Posted - 2013.02.10 22:29:00 -
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Illest Insurrectionist wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:As an absolute percentage of invested isk, you'd probably have done better on frigates and cruisers. BCs will probably be somewhat better than Battleships in absolute percentages.
However, the return speed on battleships should be faster for an equal investment of ISK, as the numbers are smaller. Easier to sell 1 BS, rather than 3 BC.
But a BC investment isn't a bad idea. It'll take a while to pay off though. But it's an /easy/ payoff. Armageddons are nearly 1/3 that of an Abaddon currently. There certainly is room for the battleships to be a bigger absolute percentage. You can always refine your battle-cruisers the day before the battleship patch and convert them with minimal loss. I'm not certain all battleships starting at ~250mil would be CCP's goal. It'll be an interesting year for ship builders regardless of their end plan.
umm. Nothing to see in my last post. Move along move along.
I'd completely forgotten about the Armageddon when I glanced at pricing.
Wouldn't surprise me too much to see a drop in material requirements for the current Tier 3. They've dropped the requirements for the Tier 2 battle cruisers a little (iirc). FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Illest Insurrectionist
The Scope Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2013.02.10 23:09:00 -
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They actually raised the second tier battle-cruiser mineral requirements for the drake and the hurricane.
The drake takes ~2.3mil isk more and the hurricane ~3.1mil isk more.
The harbinger got all its stuff tinkered with but over all it'll be less than 50k less.
The myrmidon did get every mineral requirement lowered for a total of ~1 mil isk less cost.
My assessment would be that minmatard's previously cheaper ships are going to be on par with the other races with the current mineral prices. |
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
19
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Posted - 2013.02.10 23:20:00 -
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at the volumes on the market atm, will be along time before minerals have say in any price rise. that doesnt include ppl that havent revealed there stacks(making it worse)
Last time (cruiser) they stopped the instant shift by changing the melted quantities as well yes? above statement assuming the latter is correct. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
415
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Posted - 2013.02.11 00:01:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:mynnna wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:mynnna wrote:BUY MY MINERALS ALREADY. ^lol Nah, just a public service announcement. I'm saving my minerals for BS tiericide anyway. Eve Online, known for its benovelence and altruistic player base. Who if not a goon to point that out! So you are saying we should all hop on the tiercide BC-mfg train but you keep your mins for the BS adjustment because you dont want a piece of the cake just for the lolz. OK!
I'm merely letting anyone interested know. Whether they want to hop on BC tiericide is up to them, although if certain markets are any indication, people are certainly doing it!
Also I've got 500 of each Tier 1 BC of my own in build. ~just fyi~ This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
19
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Posted - 2013.02.11 00:04:00 -
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build battlecruisers they said the prices will go up they said |
Dex Thunakar
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
13
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:45:00 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:build battlecruisers they said the prices will go up they said
Uhm yeah, AFTER the patch that changes the mat costs of course, not before the patch.... |
Illest Insurrectionist
The Scope Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2013.02.11 17:42:00 -
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Dex Thunakar wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote:build battlecruisers they said the prices will go up they said Uhm yeah, AFTER the patch that changes the mat costs of course, not before the patch....
They are up significantly already. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
828
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Posted - 2013.02.11 17:52:00 -
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I sold a ton to pre-patch speculators. Including one of MD's own "elite" for a hefty 30% profit. So BC's were already highly profitable for some of us. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Havoc Zealot
Sky Fighters Talocan United
19
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Posted - 2013.02.11 19:46:00 -
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I hear that when they change the BSs that the geddon isn't going to get touched. Can anyone confirm this? |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
417
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Posted - 2013.02.11 19:53:00 -
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Anything you've heard about BS tiericide is pretty much pure rumor, because CCP has said pretty much nothing about it. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
113
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Posted - 2013.02.11 20:00:00 -
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I am going to make battlecruisers out of nothing but tritanium.
Sure they might be a little.. flimsy. But the ammount of money I will save will be extraordinary
how hard could it be anyways.
1) acquire large block of tritanium.
2) roughly cut down to size and legnth
3) try my best to make it look like the ship it is supposed to be
4) cut out a hole for your pod to go into.
5) make other compartments for the warp drive, computer and engines
6) install warp drive, computer and engines
7) paint it
8) sell for massive profit |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
818
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Posted - 2013.02.11 20:19:00 -
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Aryth wrote:I sold a ton to pre-patch speculators. Including one of MD's own "elite" for a hefty 30% profit. So BC's were already highly profitable for some of us.
This isn't 2009 anymore mate , no such thing as elite in this subforum.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.02.11 20:28:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Aryth wrote:I sold a ton to pre-patch speculators. Including one of MD's own "elite" for a hefty 30% profit. So BC's were already highly profitable for some of us. This isn't 2009 anymore mate , no such thing as elite in this subforum.
..There are still the elite. It's just not publicized any more. I think they felt stupid for clapping themselves the elite.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
818
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Posted - 2013.02.11 20:34:00 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote:flakeys wrote:Aryth wrote:I sold a ton to pre-patch speculators. Including one of MD's own "elite" for a hefty 30% profit. So BC's were already highly profitable for some of us. This isn't 2009 anymore mate , no such thing as elite in this subforum. ..There are still the elite. It's just not publicized any more. I think they felt stupid for clapping themselves the elite.
THEY left a while ago .... all left now is us hillbilly inbreed .Gotta love it
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Arronicus
Brave Newbies Inc.
188
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:41:00 -
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Havoc Zealot wrote:I hear that when they change the BSs that the geddon isn't going to get touched. Can anyone confirm this?
I try to keep myself up to date on all dev posts pertaining to ship changes, thoroughly read through all the dev blogs, (including the meeting notes), and there has been no mention whatsoever, of the armageddon not getting touched.
Based on what they have said, and based on what has happened already, there is one given, and two probable cases for the armageddon:
Given: Mineral cost to build will increase. Whether it is to that of the apoc, that of the abaddon, or some middle ground, is to be seen.
Probable case A: Minor tweaks are made to shield, armor, capacitor, agility, etc. ship retains its 7 guns and 8th utility high, but no significant changes are made.
Probable case B: Armor is increased significantly to match tier 2 or tier 3 bs, ship retains 7 guns, or loses one turret and one high, in favour of a (slightly) larger damage bonus, to do around more dps, with an easier fitting and less capacitor usage, in addition to getting a slight speed increase.
Either way, it WILL be getting 'touched'. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
381
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Posted - 2013.02.14 07:36:00 -
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Fact of the matter is, Id rather trust the devs instead of opinions and so far, they only hint very braudly at mineral cost to build to increase, on what, not a single ingame player knows. |
Elizabeth Norn
Tax Evasion Haven
0
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Posted - 2013.02.14 21:58:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:Havoc Zealot wrote:I hear that when they change the BSs that the geddon isn't going to get touched. Can anyone confirm this? I try to keep myself up to date on all dev posts pertaining to ship changes, thoroughly read through all the dev blogs, (including the meeting notes), and there has been no mention whatsoever, of the armageddon not getting touched. Based on what they have said, and based on what has happened already, there is one given, and two probable cases for the armageddon: Given: Mineral cost to build will increase. Whether it is to that of the apoc, that of the abaddon, or some middle ground, is to be seen. Probable case A: Minor tweaks are made to shield, armor, capacitor, agility, etc. ship retains its 7 guns and 8th utility high, but no significant changes are made. Probable case B: Armor is increased significantly to match tier 2 or tier 3 bs, ship retains 7 guns, or loses one turret and one high, in favour of a (slightly) larger damage bonus, to do around more dps, with an easier fitting and less capacitor usage, in addition to getting a slight speed increase. Either way, it WILL be getting 'touched'.
Or they could make it the Arbitrator's big brother, and a cheap alternative to the Bhaalgorn . |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
381
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:03:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Arronicus wrote:Havoc Zealot wrote:I hear that when they change the BSs that the geddon isn't going to get touched. Can anyone confirm this? I try to keep myself up to date on all dev posts pertaining to ship changes, thoroughly read through all the dev blogs, (including the meeting notes), and there has been no mention whatsoever, of the armageddon not getting touched. Based on what they have said, and based on what has happened already, there is one given, and two probable cases for the armageddon: Given: Mineral cost to build will increase. Whether it is to that of the apoc, that of the abaddon, or some middle ground, is to be seen. Probable case A: Minor tweaks are made to shield, armor, capacitor, agility, etc. ship retains its 7 guns and 8th utility high, but no significant changes are made. Probable case B: Armor is increased significantly to match tier 2 or tier 3 bs, ship retains 7 guns, or loses one turret and one high, in favour of a (slightly) larger damage bonus, to do around more dps, with an easier fitting and less capacitor usage, in addition to getting a slight speed increase. Either way, it WILL be getting 'touched'. Or they could make it the Arbitrator's big brother, and a cheap alternative to the Bhaalgorn .
I lol you dude, I lol you very much |
Ark Destroyer
Neutral Talent
7
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Posted - 2013.02.15 20:14:00 -
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I guess overall speculation is that they will be tweaked like everything else in time and it's probably worth dropping a few bucks into :) Neutral Talent CEO Specializing in "complete" super-capital packages
Complete supercapital packages |
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
81
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Posted - 2013.02.17 02:35:00 -
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Last night, Someone Bought up Ferox from 34.5 to 39.
There was alot of ships in between 34.5 and 39.
Build cost last night 31m~
Do people have ants in there pants or what.
I've accidentally swallowed some Scrabble tiles. My next **** could spell disaster.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2740
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Posted - 2013.02.17 02:44:00 -
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Sometimes they just gotta dance. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
384
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Posted - 2013.02.17 06:39:00 -
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Indecently, its a very common acurance (bin doing ships and only ships for years) |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
839
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Posted - 2013.02.17 15:38:00 -
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I sold into the thousands of BC's in the last few weeks to people looking to just buy off market rather than build. Pocketing a nice 20-30% while selling to the MD ELITE (snicker) Hi Flakeys. Good times. Never underestimate the laziness of the average investor. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
342
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Posted - 2013.02.17 17:42:00 -
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Aryth wrote:
I sold into the thousands of BC's in the last few weeks to people looking to just buy off market rather than build. Pocketing a nice 20-30% while selling to the MD ELITE (snicker) Hi Flakeys. Good times. Never underestimate the laziness of the average investor.
looking at the market-history im thinking we both must have a different definition off "30%" then.
btw. straight bragging about space money is baaaad...a true Gentleman does it sneaky and more "subliminal", you know. shar'ra phone home |
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