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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3701
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:12:00 -
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I'd like to know if there are plans to increase Jita's ability to accept incoming ships.
Like many others I'd love to see EvE double the playerbase and the last expansion might be a good start... yet we are still stuck with the hard cap to Jita.
When I have to bring in 20-30 freighters full of stuff it gets quite old to be stuck at the gate and spam warp for minutes.
Any idea? Like i.e. splitting the node grid and sharing the load on others? Sooner or later (if EvE gets bigger), the issue will have to be tackled.
No, I can't bring the stuff nearby, nobody is going to buy megatons of materials off Jita. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12752
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:15:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:No, I can't bring the stuff nearby, nobody is going to buy megatons of materials off Jita. They will if there's just as much there as it is in Jita, which it will be if we double the population and that second half only come as far as Perimeter.
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Bosman Galgafrak Four
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:15:00 -
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If you contract the cargo in those freighters to me, I personally guarantee I will bring it all into jita for you. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
6970
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:16:00 -
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Question is, they raise the cap to 4000, will it still max out? Lot of talk going on in there either way (and everything is slow as hell).
/c
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3702
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:No, I can't bring the stuff nearby, nobody is going to buy megatons of materials off Jita. They will if there's just as much there as it is in Jita, which it will be if we double the population and that second half only come as far as Perimeter. Or just do your hauling at other times than at peak hours on the peak day of the week GÇö dump it in a system next-doors and take that last jump during ebbs in the population.
Of course, but it's not a structural solution. Imagine an EvE with 40% more players, the "peak hours" will become a whole day. They should start thinking today in order to not deliver too late tomorrow. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
253
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:20:00 -
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If congestion in Jita does start to become a serious issue, then one of two things will happen.
Either other trade hubs will become larger - with the possibly of smaller hubs forming in between, or the nearby systems will become trade hubs themselves, forming a 'super-hub'.
Or CCP can just perma 10% TiDi the place and be done with it. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3702
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:20:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Question is, they raise the cap to 4000, will it still max out? Lot of talk going on in there either way (and everything is slow as hell).
/c
I think statistics could be done and find out a correlation between the amount of subs vs online players vs how many go to Jita. Then the server would need to be "reinforced" enough to keep working as such correlation goes up. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Athena Themis
Meadows Industrial
119
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:21:00 -
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Never, ever log out of jita during peak hours. You won't get back in. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3702
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:22:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:If congestion in Jita does start to become a serious issue, then one of two things will happen.
Either other trade hubs will become larger - with the possibly of smaller hubs forming in between, or the nearby systems will become trade hubs themselves, forming a 'super-hub'.
Or CCP can just 10% TiDi the place and be done with it.
Well, I have trading alts sitting outside, that's the "smart way" to tackle the issue. But the bottleneck is the need to physically deliver the stuff in there. If you spread it around, suddenly logistics matter a lot more and have other adverse consequences. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
363
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:23:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Question is, they raise the cap to 4000, will it still max out?
Idk, but they should try to get as many people in as possible, and always be pushing that max. Jita is one of those icons of the game that is a simple example of what makes Eve great that outsiders can somewhat understand.
I disagree that the waiting is a big deal, and there are all kinds of other options besides packing in to Jita at peak times. However, I think CCP should work on it because of its symbolic value, despite the gameplay value itself being marginal.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3702
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:29:00 -
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Athena Themis wrote:Never, ever log out of jita during peak hours. You won't get back in.
Yes, and this kind of protective practices make Jita even busier. How many don't log out because of this idea and further degrade the system?
Varius Xeral wrote:Chribba wrote:Question is, they raise the cap to 4000, will it still max out? Idk, but they should try to get as many people in as possible, and always be pushing that max. Jita is one of those icons of the game that is a simple example of what makes Eve great that outsiders can somewhat understand. I disagree that the waiting is a big deal, and there are all kinds of other options besides packing in to Jita at peak times. However, I think CCP should work on it because of its symbolic value, despite the gameplay value itself being marginal.
What happened when the NASDAQ could not keep up with the volume created by a recent IPO? They upgraded the infrastructure. Jita is our exchange and indeed EvE's economy is known around the world also thanks to Jita. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Mars Theran
Red Rogue Squadron
1601
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:33:00 -
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I suggest a simpler approach: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131817 + 2* http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117261 + Watercooling. ...don't ask me what this would be capable of; I have no idea. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
363
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:35:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:What happened when the NASDAQ could not keep up with the volume created by a recent IPO? They upgraded the infrastructure.
Right, my point is that it's hardly "broken" right now, but they should be working on it anyway because of its symbolic value. If it actually became such that the undirected collective actions of players was genuinely being limited by the server, then they should definitely be working on it with even more urgency.
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Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:54:00 -
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I posted about this the other day,
To solve a lot of the jita problem, mute local so the spammers would leave, there's no point in being there if you can't spam local chat. |
Mars Theran
Red Rogue Squadron
1602
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:17:00 -
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I was actually thinking that the players could spread the Jita market to include nearby systems, but that is a bit of a pain for anyone really. Doesn't matter if you are a seller or buyer.
The other though, and obvious one, is that people actually have to travel from Rens, Amarr, and Dodixie to buy stuff they can't find there. Wouldn't it be sensible for players to have more than one Jita to accommodate this? Obviously, there is a market. I myself keep a Jita Jump Clone, but couldn't be arsed to fly or transport anything I buy there to wherever I really happen to be. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Skorpynekomimi
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:22:00 -
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Jita is there because the players want it there. Not because CCP said 'trade hub goes here'.
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Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
111
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:31:00 -
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CCP didn't put Jita anywhere. They cant "make" a Jita. It's likely that they could never engineer the circumstances that made a Jita again. If getting your stuff into Jita during your hours is so much of a hassle, go sell your stuff in Perimeter during your peak hours, and let some Aussie or suchlike off peak guys make a little bit of extra ISK buying and hauling between Jita to Perimeter while everyone else is sleeping. |
Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
461
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:42:00 -
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I can get into jita during peak hours with no problems what so ever.
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
364
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:45:00 -
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Exactly, the players make Jita. If CCP can't support a player-made trade hub such that the significance of that trade hub is reduced by server capacity instead of purely gameplay induced decisions, then that is a problem (not agreeing that we're yet at that point though).
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3702
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:49:00 -
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Maire Gheren wrote:CCP didn't put Jita anywhere. They cant "make" a Jita. It's likely that they could never engineer the circumstances that made a Jita again. If getting your stuff into Jita during your hours is so much of a hassle, go sell your stuff in Perimeter during your peak hours, and let some Aussie or suchlike off peak guys make a little bit of extra ISK buying and hauling between Jita to Perimeter while everyone else is sleeping. Or sell in Amarr or Rens or Dodixie instead.
Jita exists because it's the "min maxed best" place considering some dozens of different parameters and circumstances. If Jita did not exist another would born from the next best min maxed alternative.
Also, it's not "so much of an hassle", I rarely travel to jita at peak hours. It's an hassle for all those waiting in there, I just got out and Perimeter and even Urlen were full of ships spamming warp to enter.
The resulting discomfort is something that will certainly remind them the *work* routine, including having to wait for 1 hour in queue with their car and so on. That's really not the kind of experience you want to impose in a game. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3248
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:58:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:Or CCP can just perma 10% TiDi the place and be done with it. I support this. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1618
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Posted - 2013.01.20 21:00:00 -
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I hope they can increase the cap as well, but not for the sake of jita. I'd just like to see a system be capable of holding 4000 players.
I personally want to see more trade hubs open up instead of see jita just keep getting bigger. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3702
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Posted - 2013.01.20 21:15:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:I hope they can increase the cap as well, but not for the sake of jita. I'd just like to see a system be capable of holding 4000 players.
I personally want to see more trade hubs open up instead of see jita just keep getting bigger.
That's due to a simplified simulation that does not take into account "diminishing returns" (I know, many are against this and flame me but still...). I.e. doing everything in Jita only got the relatively minor issue of paying a lot for an office, a feature not really needed by most. If taxes started to rise or people started having to pay to enter Jita after say 2000 are already in, then there'd be some more drive to sell stuff at Dodixie and the other hubs instead of just bringing everything to the One Hub. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
303
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Posted - 2013.01.20 21:43:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:INo, I can't bring the stuff nearby, nobody is going to buy megatons of materials off Jita.
This is extremely true. Whenever I buy or sell stuff, in Jita's region, I literally do not spend a single nanosecond looking at the prices in the other systems in the same region. I filter them out.
And I'm sure most other traders do the same. Off-Jita trade, near Jita, really only makes sense in terms of pre-agreed deals, where seller and buyer know each other, and know each other's needs pretty well. And since we're all greedy capitalistic bastards, such negotiated deals are very difficult.
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2013.01.20 21:46:00 -
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Athena Themis wrote:Never, ever log out of jita during peak hours. You won't get back in.
That used to be true, until maybe a year or two ago. But nowadays, I routinely log out while docked in Jita 4-4, and I have never had any problems logging back in again. Not for the last 12 months anyway.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
2958
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Posted - 2013.01.20 21:57:00 -
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As VV hinted, tools that CCP already has at their disposal to put pressure on the "most favoured trading location" status of Jita could include raising broker fees and sales taxes for stations that receive "too much" traffic.
One idea that I'd like to see CCP explore is limitations on the volume of junk that can accumulate inside stations, limitations on the number/tonnage of ships that can jump through a gate per hour, limitations on the number of docking bays, etc. That is, alter the mechanics of the game to discourage people making congested systems even more congested.
Jita serves fine as a technology demonstrator for TiDi and hardware capacity testing, but simply pursuing "bigger, faster" is not a worthy goal IMHO.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
778
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Posted - 2013.01.20 22:27:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
When I have to bring in 20-30 freighters full of stuff it gets quite old to be stuck at the gate and spam warp for minutes.
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I needed to go there with the freighter 6 times today and all ttimes i jumped in within 10 seconds of spamming.FPS fingers have an advantage at jita VV
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2013.01.20 22:29:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Athena Themis wrote:Never, ever log out of jita during peak hours. You won't get back in. That used to be true, until maybe a year or two ago. But nowadays, I routinely log out while docked in Jita 4-4, and I have never had any problems logging back in again. Not for the last 12 months anyway.
I had it every time i logged in one of my freighter boys in jita the last 2 weeks , so at least 10 times.
I don't mind if i get reshipped to perimeter , though it aint funny if you are reshipped there in your freighter with the stuff that needs to go in still in the jita station
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2013.01.20 23:12:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
When I have to bring in 20-30 freighters full of stuff it gets quite old to be stuck at the gate and spam warp for minutes.
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I needed to go there with the freighter 6 times today and all ttimes i jumped in within 10 seconds of spamming.FPS fingers have an advantage at jita VV
Today I had an additional constraint, because the freighter that did the runs was not alone but in a fleet (guess why) Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:05:00 -
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Hrm... Jita is full. Maybe they need to either raise the numbers of people who can get in or kick out the people who are bots.
Seriously, do you think those people copy and paste their messages 24/7? "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby" |
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