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W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2013.01.22 18:50:00 -
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Because YOU cant get fights in eve doesnt mean that other people cant. Its amazingly easy to get a fight nowadays. People will engage you everywhere, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UG6a0uahTA&feature=player_embedded as an example of a proteus thats in a belt) and if you dont like liangs kill how about: http://tuskers.killmail.org/?a=kill_related&kll_id=15947338 ?
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2799
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Posted - 2013.01.22 18:51:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote: You seriously live in a bubble.
... blah blah blah, null sec PVP only PVP, blah blah blah
Amamake is fun, but it's hardly the only place I PVP. I think you forget that we live in a FW zone and there's all kinds of cluster fuckery going on. Last night I had a solo royal rumble with a 3B ISK dual linked Tengu in my Oracle. Neither one of us ended up dying, but I consider that a piloting error on my part. I should have sacrificed the remainder of my armor to make sure he died. :)
Aside from Amamake, I also roam low sec, wormhole space, and even (gasp) null sec. I do avoid the massive blob **** you seem to get off on, but I don't really consider that entertaining.
Quote: here's what i found: -Fight's in belts are 90% NPC'er ganks, noobs ganks, or elaborate traps. Oh, sometimes you kill mining ships. -0.0 you spend most of your time hunting for targets and your fights happen when you tackle them on a gate. Or if they land in a bubble. Here you face 2 scenario's. 1. You have sufficient tackle to hold them off gate, but then you are simply brawling. 2 You aren't a brawler and they can re-approach. Then the "HE'S AGGRESSED" game starts. -Losec is a nice game of "Who wants gate gun agro". -fighting -5's is again another game of "agress me cuz i dun wanna get gun agro" -PVP is generally quite ganky. Either you are ganking people or a larger gang is trying to gank you. Forcing errors out of an over-confident gang has nothing to do with ship balance. Most ships can do that. Hell, people make entire video's of themselves smashing targets who dont expect them to have a chance. Garmon/Kil2 make a career out of it.
I think you need to go back to school about how low sec works. Here's a few comments: - Belt and planet PVP is overwhelmingly between willing gangs or people who are groping about to find out who has the bigger trap. - Gate PVP happens, but it tends mostly towards having enough DPS to hulk smash a few things before the other guys deaggress and jump. - Structure PVP (generally over PI - moons tend to invite Big Fish) happens and is a great time to get together and hulk smash each other's fleets. - FW Plex PVP is overwhelmingly between 2-5 man gangs with smallish ships.
Quote: Go and spend 2 months trying to fight people who fundamentally don't want to fight and you'll start to understand what i mean. You've seen a good bunch of gate camping no doubt liang, so you know that you basicalyl cant catch people who don't want to be caught and have a modicum of skill at pulling it off. Smart bombs are the only exception.
You apparently know nothing about US/AUS TZ Heretics or my own play style if you think I've seen lots of good gate camps. The Eurofag Heretics are famous for the Orca T3 camps, and I'm equally famous for ******* off to WH space and telling them to eat a **** over it.
You know nothing about my PVP style if you think I've seen lots of good gatecamps.
Quote: Serious shut up with this condor argument. Smashing a terribad nano-fit arby doesnt make it suddenly OP. Situationally the ship is amazing, like all kiting ships. That's a close range ship thats fit for long range speed tanking using destructible damage. He has 3 decisions to make and made them all wrong. If this guy hadn't warped to a belt like a spaz he would have been able to jump out... reinforcing my above argument
Actually that happened at a plex where he was waiting at zero for me. But feel free to think whatever you want about that. Maybe you'd like to discuss the Brutix we took down, or the Domi, or the Cyclone, or the Sleip, or the dozens and dozens and dozens of ships we've killed with undersized frigates.
You can put all this up to me being The World's Best PVPer, but we both know I'm a complete nubcake that only gate camps and might be able to bash my head against the F1 key occasionally.
Quote: Against a well fit proteus (to address the other condor lover) 2 perfect skilled condors will take nearly 17 minutes to kill it. in 17 minutes that guy could have moved (17*60*950)/1000=969 KM depending on how well they juggle capactior. If he rushes 2 condors on a belt/planet and cant get backup within 17 minutes from an alt or friends then he is an idiot and died because he was fighting for no reason for no reward.
Fighting for no reason and no reward. I think that's your problem with PVP, TBH.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
293
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:15:00 -
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The only thing i do in this game is PVP. If it's financial, it's to fund PVP. Loosing ships happens, but its undeniable that most of eve are not arguing these point. most of eve doesn't give a **** about what we're talking about. most of eve only cares about not loosing ships and winning via Blobing people.
And people sitting at a plex is the height of stupidity in terms of PVP. Drop a can when you warp in to mess up cloakies and make sure you are ready to align out. Why? Because people who "love PVP" will bring more ships than you with a fitting designed to specifically win the fight before it's even started. At that point it becomes ganking, not fighting.
The best fights i get are the ones that i have the opposition convinced that they can win, then turn it around. In all honesty though - removing warp to 0 would proabably shut me up - cause i don't find waiting 2-5 hours to find someone who WANTS to PVP fun, especially when most of them have friends, links or a cyno. Nor do i find being -10 just to get fights in losec fun since i like to roam all around eve and enjoy hi-sec opportunities as well.
The only way to get reliable fights in eve is to give people to have something to fight for - solo pilots can move with relative safety through any non-bubbled hi, low or null sec area. They don't have to defend themself or have friends defend them. If i joined a null-sec corp within the next 10 minutes. I could have a battleship, several smaller ships and plenty of fitting and MYSELF in their hom system with an hour. You pod yourself to a station and a jump freightor fills up and brings every over in minutes.
CCP are slowly removing every reason to even be IN SPACE doing things. Everything used to be a danger and, as such, created a need for combat readiness at all times (Hell, i used to rat in PVP fit because in a slow ship friendly space could become unfriendly in the time it took to approach a gate). This fueled Eve's PVP. It simply feels like a shadow of it's former self now.
P.s.
Tuskers KB link - so you did what? baited a trap with a plated neut domi then zerg rushed them in hookbills? (who - by the way - used missiles, like a condor... but otherwise share no similarity) |
Carlos Jaegar
Nulli-Secundus
1
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:22:00 -
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bigboy boss wrote:Carlos Jaegar wrote:I actually really like the new Cyclone, looking forward to the patch. Any reason besides just feelings? From actually flying it on Sisi but I guess, given the nature of you OP, you wouldn't care to listen so, carry on with rant...
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W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
54
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:22:00 -
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Domi was full gun fit, and no it only is on our side because it shot at the thorax, otherwise we were fighting it aswell, yet due to lots of lighdrones it forced us out of scram range and mjded away.
(hookbill/condor are both fast k+Ąting frigates, mwd bill fit need a mid to be capstable and thus has two free midslots, condor is capstable as it is, and has two spare midslots)
And no, as i see it you are just bad at getting fights! |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2799
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:26:00 -
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I have no idea why you can't seem to find anyone to fight, but it might have something to do with the fact you think a PVP fit arbitrator sitting at zero on a plex warpin in FW space is someone PVEing...
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
293
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:27:00 -
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I think eve-is-easy is a bit of an understatement. I think eve is braindead mostly :/
I used to get into all sorts of sh*t a few years back - including catching battleships on gates and getting into some serious fights using only an interceptor.
You honestly think you get more action these days? Remember pre warp-to-0 we had about 25k average concurrent users. |
Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
293
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:28:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I have no idea why you can't seem to find anyone to fight, but it might have something to do with the fact you think a PVP fit arbitrator sitting at zero on a plex warpin in FW space is someone PVEing...
-Liang
No i think it's a guy with a terrible idea for a fit that doesn't understand "kiting frigate on D-Scan" = death to his light buffer fit. |
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
54
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:32:00 -
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he would have killed liang if he was solo (and unlinked), and if the arby had more then 5 light drones. (cant kill them fast enough if they are bonused) and not all condors are kitefit.
You can get lots of gfs atm (like the vid i posted). If you cant your doing it wrong. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2799
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:34:00 -
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It's so weird to be on the same side of an argument as Tuskers...
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
293
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:40:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:It's so weird to be on the same side of an argument as Tuskers...
-Liang
Maybe that's telling you something... |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2799
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:41:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:It's so weird to be on the same side of an argument as Tuskers...
-Liang Maybe that's telling you something...
That you're extra bad at finding fights?
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
293
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:50:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Maeltstome wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:It's so weird to be on the same side of an argument as Tuskers...
-Liang Maybe that's telling you something... That you're extra bad at finding fights? -Liang
That after page 2/3 of any thread you objective is to disagree with everything said by anyone anywhere :/ ? this thread has gone so OT that i see a lock incoming.
I will concede slightly and add: How easy is it to find fights without dropping sec status or loosing the ability to go to an 1 or more of the empires' space without being targeted by police? Yea i have alt's. But should i NEED them to get fights on another character and not loose empire access? |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2801
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:53:00 -
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It's exceedingly easy. Anywhere in Minnie/Amarr FW space works, and I hear Caldari/Gallente FW space works fine as well. Jump into system and warp somewhere. Or attack whatever idiot is gate camping today.
They're so easy to get that... it's ... it's almost hard to avoid fights
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2013.01.22 19:57:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Maeltstome wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:It's so weird to be on the same side of an argument as Tuskers...
-Liang Maybe that's telling you something... That you're extra bad at finding fights? -Liang That after page 2/3 of any thread you objective is to disagree with everything said by anyone anywhere :/ ? this thread has gone so OT that i see a lock incoming. I will concede slightly and add: How easy is it to find fights without dropping sec status or loosing the ability to go to an 1 or more of the empires' space without being targeted by police? Yea i have alt's. But should i NEED them to get fights on another character and not loose empire access?
Pvp in null (can get fights there, but its way harder then in low) or go anti pie, also i think if you dont pod you cant get to more then -5, and they changed it so that if your sec status is above that you can go everywhere in empire
And yes, imo if you want to fight you should NEED alts (or a good logistic wing) to pvp, -10 for life.
Edit: Yes, some regions of lowsec can be empty, minmatar/amarr space is quite busy (full of retards), gallente/cal space is full aswell but the pirates/bears there usually are way better at what they do so its a harder.
Systems to look for a fight, heyd->tama (abune route), black rise in general, verge vendor, metropolis, general minmatar/amarr warfront. hagilur pocket. Systems to avoid due to massive faggotry: Oms,Tama, (sometimes) heyd, amamake,rancer. |
Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
294
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:21:00 -
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Still that involves sec status dropping :/ If i can go -5.0 and no drop below it, fantastic. Basically 1 NPC kill and im not a free target. But do you have any links to this? My last trip to -10 was a massive pod-goo infested daydream. At no point did i try to enter hi-sec . |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2803
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:22:00 -
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You don't generally have to fire the first shot - at least on the Minnie/Amarr side of things. There's more than enough pirate FW corps that it's not a big deal.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
294
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:24:00 -
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p.s.
It kinda sounds like your both saying that common sense makes you immune to PVP...
I miss jumping in to a system and blind warping to the station to see who panicked and tried to dock up.... then died. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2804
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:26:00 -
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No, we're saying that FW low sec is filled with people who just want to blow **** up while non-FW low sec and all of null sec is filled with carebears who want to hide at the first sight of someone who *MIGHT* be hostile. Null sec at least has the benefit that there are gate camps to bust.
At least, that's what I'm saying.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2804
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:27:00 -
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Oh - another way to get great fights is to find an occupied wormhole and put up a medium/large ****/deathstar. If they don't immediately respond, siege their POS. Double props if they have caps. :D
-Liang
Ed: BTW, this whole "How to get a fight" thing is pretty intrinsically tied with why I would fly that "******" "obsolete" "useless" Stabber. It's why I flew Cyclones and Harpies. It's why I fly Condors and Executioners. Because people think they can kill me. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:31:00 -
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Pretty much, fw space is full of people who want to fight, some other lowsec areas are aswell. Other then that you must be willing to fight the blob/against the odds or be lucky to get a equal fight. Gal/cal space is way harder to pvp in due to better pie corps and thus better fw corps (minmatar/amarr has heretics who mostly stay in ama and a few small ones, gal cal has snuff/shadow/balex and tons of other good pirating corps (russians,ze germans...) ) |
Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
295
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:33:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Oh - another way to get great fights is to find an occupied wormhole and put up a medium/large ****/deathstar. If they don't immediately respond, siege their POS. Double props if they have caps. :D
-Liang
Ed: BTW, this whole "How to get a fight" thing is pretty intrinsically tied with why I would fly that "******" "obsolete" "useless" Stabber. It's why I flew Cyclones and Harpies. It's why I fly Condors and Executioners. Because people think they can kill me.
Actually i find the stabber dies too easily against people who WANT to fight. It's good at killing people trying to AVOID a fight. When people are intelligenly fit and fight back, stabber struggles... Thorax can pump out hideous DPS for its hull size to compensate for lack of tank. |
Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
296
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:36:00 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:Pretty much, fw space is full of people who want to fight, some other lowsec areas are aswell. Other then that you must be willing to fight the blob/against the odds or be lucky to get a equal fight. Gal/cal space is way harder to pvp in due to better pie corps and thus better fw corps (minmatar/amarr has heretics who mostly stay in ama and a few small ones, gal cal has snuff/shadow/balex and tons of other good pirating corps (russians,ze germans...) )
Actually fitting some ECCM really f*cks those caldari guys up. Had plenty of times they try to spring the 'scorpion/falcon trap' and end up drinking soup through a straw cause their pro-dominent tactic of Tier3 BC's and ECM fell on it ass :p
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W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
55
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Posted - 2013.01.22 20:43:00 -
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Didnt mean it ecm wise, just in general ability. |
Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
296
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:00:00 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:Didnt mean it ecm wise, just in general ability.
Oh no i get it - but generally organisation leads to predictability. Sometimes a guy doing the wrong thing makes you mess up and give away a fight, specially in smaller ships where you have less EHP to adapt.
EDIT&
I also wanst referring to caldari as a race, i mean in tat area its a popular strategy. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2808
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:04:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Oh - another way to get great fights is to find an occupied wormhole and put up a medium/large ****/deathstar. If they don't immediately respond, siege their POS. Double props if they have caps. :D
-Liang
Ed: BTW, this whole "How to get a fight" thing is pretty intrinsically tied with why I would fly that "******" "obsolete" "useless" Stabber. It's why I flew Cyclones and Harpies. It's why I fly Condors and Executioners. Because people think they can kill me. Actually i find the stabber dies too easily against people who WANT to fight. It's good at killing people trying to AVOID a fight. When people are intelligenly fit and fight back, stabber struggles... Thorax can pump out hideous DPS for its hull size to compensate for lack of tank.
Sure, but the Thorax isn't (or shouldn't be) a kiting ship. The Stabber works better for this.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Zarnak Wulf
In Exile.
974
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:09:00 -
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Some wonderful soul told the Heretics how busy the systems around Amamake where with Minmatar/Amarr FW.
Spaceballs- there goes the planet! |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
142
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:11:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:I'd fly a TD Stabber. Hell it's probably the only way I'd fly a Stabber. I should have run the numbers on that Omen vs a Rupture last night, because I'm a bit skeptical that the Rupture wouldn't win/get away based on the Omen's ****** cap - even with the cap booster.
-Liang
Not the only way, but aye, Stabby with TD is awesome. It may not be as straightforward as your usual Omen or Caracal and if something looks at it in a funny way, it'll fall apart, but damn, that ship is fun to fly, like a supersized frigate :) |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2809
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:17:00 -
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The funny thing is that everyone always complains about Heretics Orca camping or Heretics using links or Heretics using pirate implants or... well, whatever the **** it is that we're up to these days. But it's not like there aren't FW links up in every FW system as far out as Eszur.
I guess it's only faggotry if Heretics do it.
-Liang
Ed: I shouldn't complain. Because whatever faggotry I can get up to to let me engage outnumbered is exactly what I'm going to do. And I expect the same of everyone else - otherwise it wouldn't be very fun. :) Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
56
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Posted - 2013.01.22 21:27:00 -
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No it isnt the link usage or the implants, its that you guys with a few exceptions never leave amamake, and have perma links running in pos. Thus you guys dont really fight the odds muchat least it appears this way), and your orca camps are pretty famous. It can be that some of you are pretty awesome soloers but the general opinion is heretics=orca camping + blobbing everyone in amamake with links/implants. I personally have no real idea (whenever i went to amamake everyone in space docked and never came out again) if that is true or not. For most people heretics are the same as negten and tundragon.
It may be unjust but its the way it is. |
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