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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
130
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Posted - 2013.01.24 16:02:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Why should I pay for something.... when I already get it for free.....
-1 But what you will do, when CONCORD stops doing it for free? Inside mining barge, true story |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
13773
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Posted - 2013.01.24 16:54:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Mag's wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:Quote: You've just proved my point, by stating that new players would need to hand over the few mill they made.
New players start in safe spot, with free protection, then after month they can decide, pay small fee as a law abiding and ready to serve law with your wallet citizen or get lost. As it stands now.Player A has 4 Million and a fitted, insured ship. He goes out to run a mission and gets suicide ganked. Consequences are as follows: 1. He has an insurance payout, plus his 4 million ISK to help replace his stuff. 2. The suicide ganker loses his ship and gets a security hit. Under this change.Player A has 4 Million and a fitted, insured ship. He pays 4 million to Concord and goes out to run a mission. He gets suicide ganked. Consequences are as follows: 1. He has an insurance payout, but doesn't have 4 million to help replace his stuff. 2. The suicide ganker loses his ship and gets a security hit. ORPlayer A has 4 Million and a fitted, insured ship. He doesn't pay concord and goes out to run a mission. He gets suicide ganked. Consequences are as follows: 1. He has an insurance payout, plus 4 million ISK to help replace his stuff. 2. The suicide ganker keeps his ship and doesn't get a security hit. So it's either get screwed over by handing over your ISK, or keep the ISK and remove all current consequences. And what for? To create an poor ISK sink? Or is this simply a bad way of turning high sec, into some mix of null and low? I wouldn't EVER use this feature, but would love the no consequence situation you've given me. But hey, they didn't pay. Amirite? The suicide ganker keeps his ship and doesn't get a security hit? Suicide ganker? Thats Just a non consensual PVP scenario in this point. Yes, you can have choice in highsec that way. Choice to make yourself a victim or not. That's fully understandable, upholding to EVE reputation game mechanism. You show the same scenario and look at the conclusions. You've avoided the problems and focused on the obvious fact that the suicide ganker, simply becomes a ganker. Hello. That's the whole point. You've turned high into null, in a poor attempt to create an ISK sink.
Then there is stil the issue of less security, with this idea. Even for those who have paid. For how do we know they have paid? May as well shoot everything and take the risk. You've not addressed that yet.
Then we'll have the situation that those who pay, will want more than simple Concord punishment. They'll want this turned into a PvP flag, so they have full protection. Because they paid.
You're either after easy ganks, or the longer view of complete safety. I simply don't believe your ISK sink line.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2013.01.24 17:08:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Mag's wrote:Bad idea.
This will favour those with ISK and means many in high sec will be without Concord. Concord may not be liked by many, but it's a necessary in high sec.
As far as being an ISK sink is concerned, meh. Meh? Why meh? ISKs are flowing into system at a higer rate than before, more active players. And since when you can get service like CONCORD in real life for free? Where is the point to have CONCORD in such a way it is today? It would add realism, and it will not favour those with ISK, it wil be something for something, When you are in Hi sec and you have protection it would make you a living and prospering entity, so you will have ISK for CONCORD, those with low security status are criminals, so they would be like outsiders into low sec - place where even CONCORD agents aren't safe, and nullsec - those who want to execute their law by themselves. People are paying new order just to mine peacefully, why they would not pay CONCORD to be protected from criminal acts? If you live in highsec, you should pay for protection.
If you feel like paying 100 mil for a frigate because pvpers gank the hell out of miners all day and the industrialist leave eve online for other games, droping the subs and populations of Eve sure.
people like you make me sad. You need to go study How Economics and Industry works. And why you as a PvPer would be flying around in your pod instead of a ship if this happened.
Without Industry, you could not play eve. and The vast majority of items in eve comes from the highsec carebear who is protected by concord.
Also you cant make money to pay concord if you are constantly exploded trying to make said money by griefers. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
130
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Posted - 2013.01.24 17:10:00 -
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Protected players should get CONCORD star on their avatar portrait. The same as it is now for "wanted" players. Also I planned to get rid of wanted sign for protected players. And yes, that means anyone who don't pay will be like in null space, low sec will be like a null for them too, because gate guns will not shoot at gankers ganking unprotected player.
As for extra service, assuring, that ganker, suicide ganker, or mad player will take consequences of messing with you, will suffice. Inside mining barge, true story |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Relativity Alliance
1137
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Posted - 2013.01.24 17:18:00 -
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If this is about getting more targets, by making it harder to be protected the way high security space is now, you are using the wrong approach.
Only a complete idiot volunteers to be downrange at a shooting gallery. That's not a game, that's a countdown to losing. The nerf high sec suggestions ignore this. This is currently a nerf high sec thread.
You want more targets? You need a level playing field. They need the same chance to pop you, as you do to them.
It is no secret that PvE ships, especially miners most of all, are poorly prepared to fend off PvP engagements. Trying to force more of these into your targeting range is cheap, and they know this too.
Make mining something that gives the miner a chance to WTFBBQ the guy coming to PvP them, instead of being just another helpless target that should have ran when they saw you coming.
You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar-- old saying. Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
130
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Posted - 2013.01.24 17:25:00 -
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Quote:This is currently a nerf high sec thread.
Exactly, as it always was.
Quote:You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar-- old saying.
Vinegar or nothing in High sec. Flies can get their honey in null, lots of it. Inside mining barge, true story |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
13775
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Posted - 2013.01.24 17:49:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Protected players should get CONCORD star on their avatar portrait. The same as it is now for "wanted" players. Also I planned to get rid of wanted sign for protected players. And yes, that means anyone who don't pay will be like in null space, low sec will be like a null for them too, because gate guns will not shoot at gankers ganking unprotected player. As for extra service, assuring, that ganker, suicide ganker, or mad player will take consequences of messing with you, will suffice. Quote:You need to go study How Economics and Industry works. I know that when you demand something like protection from every hazardous situation in world like EVE, you should not get it for free. And industrialists sticking to hisec only is a nonsense, industrialist can live in Null also, like on chinese server. Rooted to free hisec carebearing and mining is not good for your mental health. Again Concord punishes, it does not protect. Protection is derived from the fact that Concord punishing, is now a constant.
Also why should players have the wanted sign removed? Bounties are a player driven mechanic. Concord standings are irrelevant in that regard, just as any payment to them would be.
But one thing is for sure, as soon as any player gets a Concord star, they'll demand it gives more than simple punishment.
Bad idea is still bad and getting worse.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Malcorian Vandsteidt
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2013.01.24 18:02:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Quote:This is currently a nerf high sec thread. Exactly, as it always was. Quote:You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar-- old saying. Vinegar or nothing in High sec. Flies can get their honey in null, lots of it.
Actually null is probably the shitiest piece of space available right now the only thing you get in null is AFK sitting in a station or Blob fleets. Pve.. yea occasionally, industry? That's Big fat LOL. Industry sucks in 0.0 for more reasons then I feel like listing on this thread.
The only reason people Sov 0.0 is because "They can" and they like to have a big fat sticker on the map with their name on it. Other then that there is absolutely no reason to go to 0.0. as you can get everything Eve has to offer in Low High, or Wh's. And in more fun quantities.
Which is why no one wants to go to 0.0 currently. |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Relativity Alliance
1139
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Posted - 2013.01.24 18:14:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Quote:This is currently a nerf high sec thread. Exactly, as it always was. Quote:You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar-- old saying. Vinegar or nothing in High sec. Flies can get their honey in null, lots of it. Ahh... I see your problem, specifically as to why you are suggesting this idea and discovering so many against it.
You are not showing any empathy to the pilots whose play style you are suggesting changes to. Keep in mind I did not say sympathy, but just basic empathy.
You are making assumptions regarding what they would accept in exchange for the benefits these changes would bring you.
While a few players would sign up for almost anything, just for lulz, I feel safe in saying the majority are not interested in having their play style altered at their expense for the benefit of those wanting to shoot more of them as targets.
And null being a solution? The players with the time and social contacts who are interested in that... they already ARE in null. Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
133
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Posted - 2013.01.24 18:17:00 -
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Nul sucks because It's too easy to live in hisec. Too easy because it's considerably safe for everyone. Where is Fun in all of it? In Missioning? Mining? Grinding ISK? I like to think that someday CCP will GET RID OF CONCORD and everyone will be like, OMG, what now! We are exposed and innocent like little girls in a cave full of pedobears! Oh boy, it will be fun to watch. Inside mining barge, true story |
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Sam Korak
Farson Industries
11
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Posted - 2013.01.24 18:19:00 -
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CONCORD can do fine with the 11% they get from NPC corps, so no need to pay them any more. |
Evet Morrel
The Bastards Shadow Cartel
88
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Posted - 2013.01.24 18:24:00 -
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I approve +1, this is a compelling idea it makes sense on so many levels. - what's the fuss, it exposes the hegemony of CONCORD as the bribable entity it already is. However I'd prefer to see this insurance at the corporation level. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2228
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:19:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Why should I pay for something.... when I already get it for free.....
-1 But what will you do, when CONCORD stops doing it for free?
Doing it for free has kept them going the last decade... I can't imagine that business model is going to collapse anytime soon...
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
133
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Posted - 2013.01.24 20:25:00 -
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Yeah, with this playerbase certainly. Inside mining barge, true story |
lovebus
The Caerus Gate Black Core Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.01.25 04:13:00 -
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screw these nay sayers. i like this idea. just don't have it lit up in neon whether that toon has concord or not. I mean we already have it to where you can't cargo scan certain ships and you don't know their implants or insurance.
this is another form of insurance that doesnt print isk back into the economy. who says it has to but expensive to where not everyone can afford it? make it like clone upgrade expensive or something |
Iyacia Cyric'ai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.01.25 05:50:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Meh? Why meh? ISKs are flowing into system at a higer rate than before, more active players. And since when you can get service like CONCORD in real life for free? Where is the point to have CONCORD in such a way it is today? It would add realism, and it will not favour those with ISK. It quite clearly favours those with isk, even if it's skillpoint based. Also what country do you live in where you have to pay the police to come and help you? |
Iyacia Cyric'ai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.01.25 05:55:00 -
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Sam Korak wrote:CONCORD can do fine with the 11% they get from NPC corps, so no need to pay them any more. I thought they get a portion of their earnings from the fact that capsule pilots have to to keep their license by either paying the subscription fee or through the use of a PLEX (which currently costs roughly 500+mil in game). There is no need for this even on an immersion basis. |
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