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Orgop Rotineque
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.26 18:44:00 -
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Hi guys, Just created my third trial account for EVE after making others in past years that have expired. The game looks amazing and judging by the scale and the trailers and the complexity of everything, EVE can be VERY fun if you're willing to get involved and learn. I'm in the middle of playing through the tutorial for the third time but after that I tend to get a little lost and overwhelmed. I think that is the main reason why I'm not a paying player yet; I never understood enough in the past. To start simple, I decided to make my first character a Miner. I understand how vast and complex the profession is, and I get the extremely simple concepts like the need for a Mining ship with a big cargo and space for several good Mining Lasers, but that's about the extent of what I know. Yes, I will spend time reading parts of the player's manual, but I barely grasp the concept of High/Low Security Space (Yes, that's how new I am). As I understand it, you are pretty much safe from being attacked by others in the higher Security Regions but the Ore you get is really not very good and you need to travel to some lower security areas and risk being attacked to get quality Ore. Is this about correct? Is being attacked by others a legitimate threat? I also figured that to really get involved I should probably get involved socially and join a Corporation (I think that's what they're called). Again, I think a Corporation is a group focused on a specific goal but my knowledge thus far is (obviously) VERY limited. I think I just need some guidance really but I know i can get involved in EVE. My last question would be does the "Ripple Effect" and all that stuff you see in the trailers really exist? They always say in the trailers that you start small but you can become powerful or for example that trailer about Vic where he kills some Miners who worked from a powerful Corporation and he gets a huge Bounty put on his head; do those kind of things really happen? I really am sorry about my lack of knowledge but I'm just looking for some guidance and I know I can learn. Thanks! EDIT: Also, with DUST just coming out, i figured now is as good a time as any to get involved. |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2013.01.26 18:55:00 -
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Hitting the enter button once in a while is a good start :)
notgonnareadthat.jpg Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything.
Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish |
Demolishar
United Aggression
749
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Posted - 2013.01.26 19:03:00 -
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Double click the EVE icon on your desktop then press "PLAY" once the launcher validates your client, HTH! |
Jonah Gravenstein
The Burning Lotus
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Posted - 2013.01.26 19:05:00 -
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Mining, while an essential part of Eve, is the Eve equivalent of working at Walmart
If you're really into mining as a way to start Eve, you get a very capable mining ship, the Venture, as part of the tutorials I believe. The logical step up from that is a Retriever or a Procuror, personally I'd recommend the Procuror because of its survivability, after that you're looking at Mackinaws & Hulks, the Mackinaw is king when it comes to solo mining, whereas the Hulk doesn't really shine until it's teamed up with an Orca. The ores are better in less secure space but at the moment the best things to mine can be found in highsec.
On the subject of the security rating of space, a picture says a thousand words.
Nowhere in space is truly safe in Eve, you can and will die in highsec, lowsec and nullsec. In highsec you'll die to wars and completely random acts of violence (especially if your a miner or a freighter pilot and AFK), in the random acts your killers will lose their ships to Concord, the NPC police. Outside of hisec (0.4 and below) anything goes.
I would heartily recommend joining a corporation, you'll have access to a lot of knowledge about the game if you ask the right questions to the right people, the whole social experience is what makes Eve special.
The ripple effect does indeed exist, maybe not as CCP envisaged but it definitely exists, people have brought down entire alliances from inside, people run ponzi schemes and then run off with the money, you can say something in local and spark a war, all of these affect hundreds if not thousands of people.
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times, it's a goonspiracy. |
Orgop Rotineque
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.26 19:23:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Mining, while an essential part of Eve, is the Eve equivalent of working at Walmart oh haha, like i said i have no idea how much of anything works, is it not really an important part of the Economy? What would you suggest to look into as an alternative for a new person like myself? |
Jonah Gravenstein
The Burning Lotus
5190
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Posted - 2013.01.26 19:53:00 -
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lol it is an important part of the economy, it just pays like a minimum wage job.
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times, it's a goonspiracy. |
Steven Koskanaiken
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.26 20:25:00 -
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Wow. You must have trained Advanced Wall of Text Typing to 5 already.
EDIT:
Yes, mining isn't the best paying profession in high-sec space. Yes, it's not very exiting Yes, people tend to hate miners.
BUT
Those people also forget that the miners are the main resource of minerals in the game. Those minerals are then used to produce ships and modules, used by the people who hate miners. |
Steven Koskanaiken
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.26 20:30:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:lol it is an important part of the economy, it just pays like a minimum wage job. Suggestion wise try a little of everything, some excel as market traders, some excel at doing manufacturing, some excel at shooting people in the face, there is no fixed path, find something you enjoy and do it. The game is what you make of it, the only endgame is having fun, sometimes at someone elses expense.
^ This. Fully support that post for 110% |
Orgop Rotineque
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.26 21:36:00 -
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ah so Mining doesn't pay very well and can be dangerous. i see. i'm interested in Combat and other things too, i just thought those things might be good to try later when i have more knowledge of my surroundings and greater resources to use. |
Jonah Gravenstein
The Burning Lotus
5194
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Posted - 2013.01.26 22:22:00 -
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With PvP you can hop into combat on day one, you might die horribly although the noob ships are surprisingly good for it, especially the Ibis (of doomGäó), not to mention free. With combat you can either go in quick n easy with people like RedvsBlue, or join a corporation that wages war for money, space and a variety of other reasons.
If you just want to do PvE there's the obvious mining, there's also mission running (always fun as a group), incursions (has to be done as a group), exploration, and sleeper hunting (can be done solo but much better as a group).
Market trading & manufacturing are weird ones, while you don't explode other people, they're very much PvP, and in the case of trading, can be brutal if you **** it up.
The thing to bear in mind is that even doing the purely PvE content you are in fact effecting other players, either by purchasing or selling items. Everything is related to PvP in one form or another.
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times, it's a goonspiracy. |
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Andres Talas
Occupational Hazzard Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2013.01.26 22:36:00 -
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Try lots of different stuff.
Do all the tutorials.
Learn how to use the map (or Dotlan) to find Kills in the last Hour to identify gate camps and so on.
Ninja mine in a losec in a Venture.
Scan out some anomalies and see whats there.
Duck your head into a wormhole.
Join Faction Warfare and get some frigates blown up.
Buy Faction Ammo in Jita (Caldari Navy Small Antimatter is a favorite, as if Republic Fleet Phased Plasma) and take it to near faction warfare systems and sell it.
Have a cheap clone with no implants and visit Nullsec - Curse or Syndicate if you're brave, Providence if you are more cautious (the locals in Provi are Not Red Dont Shoot - but not everyone in Provi are locals).
Try stuff, and see what you enjoy. |
Steven Koskanaiken
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.26 22:43:00 -
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Orgop Rotineque wrote:ah so Mining doesn't pay very well and can be dangerous. i see. i'm interested in Combat and other things too, i just thought those things might be good to try later when i have more knowledge of my surroundings and greater resources to use.
Just to clarify. Anything in EVE that is done outside the station is dangerous. As soon as you hit undock, you can beshot by others. If you are comming from another MMO that only has PvP if you agree with it, forget it. You agree with PvP as soon as you log in.
Also, besides the obvious Ship vs Ship PvP there are lots of other PvP things:
The market in EVE s 99% player driven, so buying and selling isnt done to/from some NPC vendor, the other end is usually a player. This makes manufaturing and trading PvP as you try to be better/smarter/cheaper then another player.
Exloration (PvE activity) is PvP too, as anybody can scan down that side and run it. So you compete with others to be the first to find and run it.
Missions (PvE) comes with PvP. There are no instances, if you are in your mission, others can probe you down and visit you there. This is what ninja salvagers do and people who will kill you if you make yourself a target (risk vs reward - shooting someone in highsec means CONCORD will shoot your ship. but if you loose a 50mil ISK ship to kill a 3bil ISK ship the risk outweigh the rewards).
Mining as said, it-¦s a stable way to make money, but just not best. And certain people wll target you for being a miner. Though in hi-sec with last couple of chages, it-¦s not as bad as it sounds (in terms of how dangerous it is).
but MOST importantly, choose something you do based on 1 reason, not how much it makes you ISK (ISK is just a tool and pixel money - unlike other MMOs, being rich in EVE means jack **** other then having more options for you. Many great players I know arent really rich), not based on how dangerous it is.
Choose your playstyle based on what YOU find FUN to do.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1519
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Posted - 2013.01.26 23:01:00 -
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You missed w-space:
http://talocanunited.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/hilownullwh.jpg |
Jonah Gravenstein
The Burning Lotus
5197
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Posted - 2013.01.26 23:20:00 -
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That's the image I was actually looking for but couldn't find.
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times, it's a goonspiracy. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.01.27 02:06:00 -
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meet people until you find people you like playing with
try stuff until you find something you like doing
a nexus where the above two meet is ideal
when you get bored try something new or meet new people or both
there, that should carry you for 10+ years of eve |
Cyprus Black
The Learning Curve.
641
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Posted - 2013.01.27 04:20:00 -
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The answer to your question may be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph Trolling is like art. Anyone can finger paint, but it takes true talent to create a masterpiece. |
Dasola
Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.27 16:06:00 -
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You want to be eve player? First step is forget everything you have leaner from those other hand holding MMO-¦s.
EvE is not even in same league with those. EvE has its own league and its seems those other mmo-¦s struggle very hard to get into that....
Second, stop expecting that things are easy. Eve is like real life, nothing worth doing is easy at start. But you will learn and things get easyer...
Third, join a corp, spend time loking good corporation to join... You learn tons and more importantly you learn faster, since theres experienced players there to ask things.
EvEs world is more ruthless, more driven then any other mmo-¦s gameworld out there. Here great rewards are in the grasp of those bold enought to siege the moment and grab what they want... [Insert something funny or smart here]
Good lord has set me on path, sometimes im confused about what he wants from me. But path leads on, towards why he placed me on this wonderfull planet... |
Novakhiin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.01.28 08:13:00 -
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Dasola wrote:You want to be eve player? First step is forget everything you have leaner from those other hand holding MMO-¦s.
EvE is not even in same league with those. EvE has its own league and its seems those other mmo-¦s struggle very hard to get into that....
Second, stop expecting that things are easy. Eve is like real life, nothing worth doing is easy at start. But you will learn and things get easyer...
Third, join a corp, spend time loking good corporation to join... You learn tons and more importantly you learn faster, since theres experienced players there to ask things.
EvEs world is more ruthless, more driven then any other mmo-¦s gameworld out there. Here great rewards are in the grasp of those bold enought to siege the moment and grab what they want...
Quoted for truth. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2178
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Posted - 2013.01.28 08:16:00 -
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Paragraphs. They're not hard & using them will encourage people to actually read your post. The Adventures of a Belligerent Undesirable |
Sin Pew
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
191
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Posted - 2013.01.28 10:10:00 -
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Orgop Rotineque wrote:My last question would be does the "Ripple Effect" and all that stuff you see in the trailers really exist? They always say in the trailers that you start small but you can become powerful or for example that trailer about Vic where he kills some Miners who worked from a powerful Corporation and he gets a huge Bounty put on his head; do those kind of things really happen? Yes. (EDIT: derped teh link) "haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator." |
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SinTeryx
Seamless Industries
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Posted - 2013.01.28 15:32:00 -
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As I didn't read you're entire post (holy wall of text batman), I would definitely suggest joining a corp that is new player friendly. Eveuni is one that comes to mind. Having other pilots to call on for help or ask questions is wonderful. And as others have posted, try everything. Do all of the starter missions as they give you a good idea of what each aspect of Eve has to offer.
Eve has an insane amount to learn and understand, which nobody will ever fully understand every aspect of the sandbox that is Eve. As I said before find people you can hang out with and learn from. There are many brilliant minds playing this game (that probably should be putting their brain power into something to better the human race) but alas are willing to help people out.
If you have any questions let me know I may be able to answer them, and if not I can help you find the answer. Oh yes and don't forget google...there is a guide out there for everything in this game. Lastly, find people you enjoy flying with...I cannot stress this enough. A good group of people you can hang with makes this game infinitely better. I found this really true when I first started playing and wanted to be a miner (omg boring after the first hour), but in a corp sponsored mining OP drinking games were incredibly fun while on TeamSpeak. Take a drink every rock we finish, needless to say the conversation and links we were sharing progressed into a rather interesting place :).
Best of luck and fly safe.
-Sin
Edit: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/eve-learning-curve.jpg Don't let it discourage you but its true! |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
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Posted - 2013.01.28 15:34:00 -
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Orgop Rotineque wrote:ah so Mining doesn't pay very well and can be dangerous.
Mining: An Eve Online activity that can be done mostly AFK, enabling you to do something else with your time like watching Youtube or Imgur or whatever while you are still earning ingame money to pay for the PLEX (and the occasional mining ship replacement) so you can continue mining AFK for another month while doing something else. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Mangala Solaris for CSM 8 |
Jonah Gravenstein
The Burning Lotus
5205
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Posted - 2013.01.28 15:36:00 -
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@ The OP, a fine example of the ripple effect is this past weekends fight in lowsec, 2800 players in a massive brawl all because someone pressed the wrong button.
Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times, it's a goonspiracy. |
Davith en Divalone
Aegis Coalition Logistics
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Posted - 2013.01.28 15:53:00 -
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My slacker method:
1. Discover what you love.
2. Find a corp with similar interests.
3a. Find a way to make what you love self-supporting or
3b. Find a secondary activity that you can tolerate enough to support your in-game lifestyle.
4. Train skills to do what you love better.
5. If it stops being fun, try something else.
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Rache Bartmoss
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
23
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Posted - 2013.01.28 18:48:00 -
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How would Jove-space look ? |
Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians Iberians.
40
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Posted - 2013.01.29 10:20:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:@ The OP, a fine example of the ripple effect is this past weekends fight in lowsec, 2800 players in a massive brawl all because someone pressed the wrong button.
Pretty much this. Most of my friends cannot belive something like that could happen in a MMO.
But hey, this is a very different MMO.
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Sin Pew
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
192
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Posted - 2013.01.29 10:52:00 -
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Rache Bartmoss wrote:How would Jove-space look ? It's full of floating PLEX and CCP-devs corpses, I'd love to get there just for the corpses... "haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator." |
SinTeryx
Seamless Industries
15
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Posted - 2013.01.29 13:59:00 -
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Rache Bartmoss wrote:How would Jove-space look ?
Jove Space |
Sin Pew
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
193
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Posted - 2013.01.29 16:41:00 -
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SinTeryx wrote:Rache Bartmoss wrote:How would Jove-space look ? Jove Space Not Jove space? "haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator." |
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