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GM Karidor
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.10 18:16:00 -
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In the past, there have been some policies in place within Customer Support that imposed additional rules onto the war mechanics available in game, such as the so called "Alliance Hopping" or the more recent "Dec Shield".
The decision has been made to lift those restrictions that affect war declarations, thereby opening up ways for corporations to avoid unwanted wars via methods that were previously considered exploits of game mechanics.
In other words: If you can leave or declare a war, raise the costs for other entities to declare one to you or do any other war related things within current normal game mechanics, you may do so without having to keep other rules in mind. GM Karidor | Senior Game Master |
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boseo
Azure Horizon
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Posted - 2011.10.10 18:20:00 -
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*checks calender* no its not April. is there going to be any official statement as to why these derisions have been made at all, just interested to see why tbh.
Sorry but file Gǣforumsig.GIFGǥ is currently unavailable please come back laterGǪGǪ like in a year or so.
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Iamien
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.10 18:20:00 -
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second? |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.10 18:21:00 -
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omg this is awsome, i'm glad to be the first important person to post on a GM thread.
hope we learn why... also inb4 eve university Q_Q or something. |
Iamien
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.10 18:21:00 -
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boseo wrote:*checks calender* no its not April. is there going to be any official statement as to why these derisions have been made at all, just interested to see why tbh.
They probably got tired of policing it, it at times could be too much of a judgement call to be seen as consistent. |
Mystical Might
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.10.10 18:21:00 -
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Posting in a tears thread. |
Selene D'Celeste
The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six
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Posted - 2011.10.10 18:23:00 -
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That's .... random.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.10.10 18:33:00 -
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I'm betting that this has something to do with the recent drama regarding EvE Uni, their "dec-shields," EN24, and too many questions being asked. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.10 18:38:00 -
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Selene D'Celeste wrote:That's .... random. They're making public policy of something that has been going on unofficially for some timeGǪ GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.10 18:41:00 -
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Pathetic. |
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2011.10.10 19:01:00 -
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So they mean that now the only defense of a corporation composed of hapless noobs and seriously outnumbered vets, and which has been wardeced (trolled!) to death by every PvP thug in the universe, now is NOT against some unwritten rules? I should had never left X3: Reunion |
Mara Villoso
Big Box
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Posted - 2011.10.10 19:19:00 -
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I hereby establish the Cult of Karidor.
At long last, sensibility has prevailed. |
Malken
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.10.10 19:38:00 -
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FFS fix wardec system instead of saying its ok just because we cant be arsed to police the rules.
[img]http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/0703/malken_force.jpg[/img]
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GTN
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.10.10 20:16:00 -
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Maybe this is because some big alliance decided to suicide gank ice miners in empire space, and this will allow them to war dec themselves with alts?
What a coincidence! |
SilentSkills
Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2011.10.10 20:44:00 -
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Let the bodies err... TEARS hit the floor |
Blind Man
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.10 21:20:00 -
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good.. while I don't think the current war-dec mechanics are proper, putting an arbitrary band-aid on the problem using metagame rules is very bad. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.10 22:36:00 -
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GTN wrote:Maybe this is because some big alliance decided to suicide gank ice miners in empire space, and this will allow them to war dec themselves with alts?
What a coincidence!
:smug: |
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.10 23:21:00 -
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It is now 'official'
Slade
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.10 23:31:00 -
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Malken wrote:FFS fix wardec system instead of saying its ok just because we cant be arsed to police the rules.
Theres far too much of this in this game already. See: its an exploit to biomass yer guy after ganking with him to get a new guy to gank with becomes apparently allowed |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.10.10 23:36:00 -
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GTN wrote:Maybe this is because some big alliance decided to suicide gank ice miners in empire space, and this will allow them to war dec themselves with alts?
What a coincidence!
This didn't make sense to me. Would someone rephrase or explain it please? Goons are ganking Mackraws but what does this meta game thing have to do with it? CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.10 23:43:00 -
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so are they making it easier or harder on little noobcorps? |
Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.11 00:28:00 -
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GM Karidor wrote:In the past, there have been some policies in place within Customer Support that imposed additional rules onto the war mechanics available in game, such as the so called " Alliance Hopping" or the more recent "Dec Shield". The decision has been made to lift those restrictions that affect war declarations, thereby opening up ways for corporations to avoid unwanted wars via methods that were previously considered exploits of game mechanics. In other words: If you can leave or declare a war, raise the costs for other entities to declare one to you or do any other war related things within current normal game mechanics, you may do so without having to keep other rules in mind.
Anyone else find it funny that the blog he links to states that the issue will "soon be fixed" yet the blog is dated: 2008.01.10. It has been almost 4 years since that "soon" promise |
Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.11 00:50:00 -
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Buruk Utama wrote:GM Karidor wrote:In the past, there have been some policies in place within Customer Support that imposed additional rules onto the war mechanics available in game, such as the so called " Alliance Hopping" or the more recent "Dec Shield". The decision has been made to lift those restrictions that affect war declarations, thereby opening up ways for corporations to avoid unwanted wars via methods that were previously considered exploits of game mechanics. In other words: If you can leave or declare a war, raise the costs for other entities to declare one to you or do any other war related things within current normal game mechanics, you may do so without having to keep other rules in mind. Anyone else find it funny that the blog he links to states that the issue will "soon be fixed" yet the blog is dated: 2008.01.10. It has been almost 4 years since that "soon" promise
Well it takes a while to get to fixing things here lol
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.10.11 04:07:00 -
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Quote:Alliance Hopping to Avoid Wars is not Allowed reported by CCP Wrangler | 2008.01.10 16:32:33
Presently, there is a loophole that some corporations are using to avoid wars that have been declared on them. As soon as a war has been declared on the corporation, they join an alliance and, once admitted, they immediately leave the alliance again. The result is that they are only involved in an active war for 24 hours and not a week as should be the case according to normal war game-play mechanics. Bogus alliances have even been created for the sole purpose of giving corps a way out of wars.
This is an unintended game mechanic and it will be fixed as soon as possible. Until then we are putting a stop to this situation and anyone found abusing this loophole will receive a warning for their trouble. Repeated offenses of this nature may also result in a ban. Whoa. So this is allowed now?
So a corp like EVE University could hop back and forth between several alliances, such as Ivy League, Ivy League., and Ivy Leeg to limit their time under wardec to 24 hours?
Interesting.
I can see lifting the restrictions on alt corp dec shields (that costs a corp/alliance ISK to implement), but alliance hopping is a freebie. What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2011.10.11 05:14:00 -
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Just so everyone knows, here is how the original E-Uni dec shield worked:
Form say 20 corps. Have 19 war dec the 20th. Cost is a little less than 400 million a week. Then have the 20th corp join your alliance. This does not increase the cost of the 19 wars. They are still 2 million for the first, 4 million for the second, and so on. BUT...
If now a new corp decides to war dec your alliance, they will be the 20th war and must pay 1 billion a week.
There is some trick about toggling the wars mutual, then not mutual that causes the cost of a existing war dec to get reset to the higher value, but Im not sure of the details.
A somewhat cheaper way, but logistically harder, is to make 40 corps. Then have corp #1 dec #2, #3 dec #4, and so on. Then have all the even number corps join the alliance. Now you pay 40 million a week for your dec shield. CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. |
Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.10.11 09:30:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Cost is a little less than 400 million a week. Then have the 20th corp join your alliance. This does not increase the cost of the 19 wars.
This was a bug, and actually fixed some time ago when the new billing system went in which added automatic payments - as it was, once initially generated a war bill never updated its costs.
A total of 19 wars (from your example) would now cost just over 18 billion ISK to maintain per week, so not really an option that way. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.11 11:23:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote: A total of 19 wars (from your example) would now cost just over 18 billion ISK to maintain per week, so not really an option that way.
You're supposed to ~teach~ noobs, aren't you?
Source form here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/War_Declaration
First war costs 2M Second costs 2M = 2 * (1 + 1) Third costs 6M = 2 * (2 + 1) ... Nth costs 2 * N
Summed wars from 1 to N cost 2 * (1 + 2 + 3 + 4 ... + N) = 2 * N * (N + 1) / 2
Which for N == 19 gives 2 * 19 * 20 / 2 == 380M
At this point the shielded corp joins the alliance. The first legit wardec against that alliance costs 50 * 20 = 1 billion and lasts 24 hrs, because the corp jumps to a new alliance.
So a corp pays 380M (via 19 alt corps) and causes 1 week war against it to cost 7 billion.
Good job, CCP !!!
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N1gella Laws0n
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.10.11 11:28:00 -
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Apparently Hello Kitty Online is actually >this< way.
When the only thing left is joining corps to gank them, maybe you'll screw your heads back on. |
Spectre80
The Knights Templar Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.10.11 11:58:00 -
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now if i understand this correctly i predict griefer tears. |
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2011.10.11 12:58:00 -
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GM Karidor wrote:In the past, there have been some policies in place within Customer Support that imposed additional rules onto the war mechanics available in game, such as the so called " Alliance Hopping" or the more recent "Dec Shield". The decision has been made to lift those restrictions that affect war declarations, thereby opening up ways for corporations to avoid unwanted wars via methods that were previously considered exploits of game mechanics. In other words: If you can leave or declare a war, raise the costs for other entities to declare one to you or do any other war related things within current normal game mechanics, you may do so without having to keep other rules in mind.
This is an awful decision and should not have been done untill war dec mechanics have been fixed.
Negitive 1 internets for you sir when the dislike button comes out. >_>
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