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Milla Lekarariba
Raven University Serenity.
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Posted - 2012.01.16 11:22:00 -
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This is just terrible and wrong...
Yet another blow for the new player, and those trying to start a new corp.
Why?
Think about it, the only people that are going to be able to afford this 'dec shield' are the larger corporations with the isk to spare or those with a lot of support from other corporations / alliances.
New corps do not have tons of isk to waste on things like this, it is already difficult enough to recruit new players, and this latest move is just going to make it even more difficult to get a new corp off the ground as most people will obviously prefer to go to those with a dec shield.
Bad move CCP, very bad move, a move to towards a more stale eve which only favours the vets |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1219
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Posted - 2012.01.16 12:09:00 -
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Milla Lekarariba wrote:This is just terrible and wrong...
Yet another blow for the new player, and those trying to start a new corp.
Why?
Think about it, the only people that are going to be able to afford this 'dec shield' are the larger corporations with the isk to spare or those with a lot of support from other corporations / alliances.
New corps do not have tons of isk to waste on things like this, it is already difficult enough to recruit new players, and this latest move is just going to make it even more difficult to get a new corp off the ground as most people will obviously prefer to go to those with a dec shield.
Bad move CCP, very bad move, a move to towards a more stale eve which only favours the vets
Decshield Alliance doesn't charge atm. dAWwww, here he goes. -áPoastin' Drunk agin. |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.01.16 17:20:00 -
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Milla Lekarariba wrote:This is just terrible and wrong...
Yet another blow for the new player, and those trying to start a new corp.
Why?
Think about it, the only people that are going to be able to afford this 'dec shield' are the larger corporations with the isk to spare or those with a lot of support from other corporations / alliances.
New corps do not have tons of isk to waste on things like this, it is already difficult enough to recruit new players, and this latest move is just going to make it even more difficult to get a new corp off the ground as most people will obviously prefer to go to those with a dec shield.
Bad move CCP, very bad move, a move to towards a more stale eve which only favours the vets
Wow, at first I thought you were crying about me being able to harass someone ad infinitum by way of wardec, but turns out you're crying about something you obviously don't understand since it costs nothing to shield the dec, but it costs something to declare the war Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been |
Milla Lekarariba
Raven University Serenity.
9
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Posted - 2012.01.17 11:15:00 -
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My point still stands..
I believe you are referring to the making the war mutual? hence eliminating the costs?
You still need to have friends in other alliances / corps or enough alts to do this.
Its yet another bit or meta gaming that is spoiling the game |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1223
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Posted - 2012.01.17 11:34:00 -
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Milla Lekarariba wrote:My point still stands..
I believe you are referring to the making the war mutual? hence eliminating the costs?
You still need to have friends in other alliances / corps or enough alts to do this.
Its yet another bit or meta gaming that is spoiling the game
There are two types of DecShields.
One is done by getting a lot of incoming decs, toggling their being mutual to keep the cost to dec you high, and the cost to keep the decshield up low. This costs some Isk to set up, no isk to maintain. EvE-University does this.
The other is to Join and Leave an alliance. Done right, your POS is never susceptible to a Wardec when it comes out of RF. This is what the DecShield alliance offers for free. dAWwww, here he goes. -áPoastin' Drunk agin. |
Cyzlaki
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
199
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Posted - 2012.01.17 13:15:00 -
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Isn't the next expansion about WAR? Why get your knickers in a twist, it's probably a temporary thing. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1224
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Posted - 2012.01.17 13:22:00 -
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Cyzlaki wrote:Isn't the next expansion about WAR? Why get your knickers in a twist, it's probably a temporary thing.
Isn't the pain of getting kicked in the nuts fleeting? Why be bothered by getting kicked in the nuts if it's just going to not hurt soon.
Just sayin' Just because a piece of stupid is temporary doesn't make it not stupid. Plus, they only did this when people started noticing that EvE-University had had a very large shield up for ~4months. dAWwww, here he goes. -áPoastin' Drunk agin. |
YoungMoney CashMoney Billionaires
Republic University Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.01.17 13:52:00 -
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i just want to make them squeal, please fix this asap. thanks. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
685
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Posted - 2012.01.18 03:04:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Just sayin' Just because a piece of stupid is temporary doesn't make it not stupid. Plus, they only did this when people started noticing that EvE-University had had a very large shield up for ~4months. Their shield, previously, was two or three corps. Now it is 17 corps.
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1228
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Posted - 2012.01.18 03:17:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Just sayin' Just because a piece of stupid is temporary doesn't make it not stupid. Plus, they only did this when people started noticing that EvE-University had had a very large shield up for ~4months. Their shield, previously, was two or three corps. Now it is 17 corps.
I was under the impression it had ballooned into ~10 around 4 months before the announcement. dAWwww, here he goes. -áPoastin' Drunk agin. |
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
685
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Posted - 2012.01.19 01:59:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Just sayin' Just because a piece of stupid is temporary doesn't make it not stupid. Plus, they only did this when people started noticing that EvE-University had had a very large shield up for ~4months. Their shield, previously, was two or three corps. Now it is 17 corps. I was under the impression it had ballooned into ~10 around 4 months before the announcement. Not as far as I know. My entire time in the Uni is was 2 or 3 corps (can't remember which). They called it Decshield 2.0. It was around 10 last year, before CCP told them to stop it, giving them permission for the 2/3 corp decshield they used from that point until the changes to wardec policy.
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1237
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Posted - 2012.01.19 14:32:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Just sayin' Just because a piece of stupid is temporary doesn't make it not stupid. Plus, they only did this when people started noticing that EvE-University had had a very large shield up for ~4months. Their shield, previously, was two or three corps. Now it is 17 corps. I was under the impression it had ballooned into ~10 around 4 months before the announcement. Not as far as I know. My entire time in the Uni is was 2 or 3 corps (can't remember which). They called it Decshield 2.0. It was around 10 last year, before CCP told them to stop it, giving them permission for the 2/3 corp decshield they used from that point until the changes to wardec policy.
So they got permission to use a limited expression of an exploit unavailable to other players. That's some nifty information. dAWwww, here he goes. -áPoastin' Drunk agin. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
137
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Posted - 2012.01.19 14:49:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Just sayin' Just because a piece of stupid is temporary doesn't make it not stupid. Plus, they only did this when people started noticing that EvE-University had had a very large shield up for ~4months. Their shield, previously, was two or three corps. Now it is 17 corps.
Your becoming "Stammerer" again...
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
685
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Posted - 2012.01.20 02:50:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Just sayin' Just because a piece of stupid is temporary doesn't make it not stupid. Plus, they only did this when people started noticing that EvE-University had had a very large shield up for ~4months. Their shield, previously, was two or three corps. Now it is 17 corps. I was under the impression it had ballooned into ~10 around 4 months before the announcement. Not as far as I know. My entire time in the Uni is was 2 or 3 corps (can't remember which). They called it Decshield 2.0. It was around 10 last year, before CCP told them to stop it, giving them permission for the 2/3 corp decshield they used from that point until the changes to wardec policy. So they got permission to use a limited expression of an exploit unavailable to other players. That's some nifty information. They did. Though any corp could have used the decshield ... the policy wasn't for e-Uni alone ... of course, CCP never made public that info, so in effect it was an E-Uni-only policy.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
685
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Posted - 2012.01.20 02:52:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Just sayin' Just because a piece of stupid is temporary doesn't make it not stupid. Plus, they only did this when people started noticing that EvE-University had had a very large shield up for ~4months. Their shield, previously, was two or three corps. Now it is 17 corps. Your becoming "Stammerer" again... What? FACTS scare you? It's a f*cking fact. What do you have to hide? That you pop up here the moment someone mentions E-Uni, and you get out of sorts at the mention of a FACT ... hell, what is your problem?
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
145
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Posted - 2012.01.20 05:25:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:What? FACTS scare you? It's a f*cking fact. What do you have to hide? That you pop up here the moment someone mentions E-Uni, and you get out of sorts at the mention of a FACT ... hell, what is your problem? Unknot your panties, Asuri.
If my reply was anything, I did E-Uni a favour, by correcting a misconception on the history of the Decshield. Dude, I pop into this thread every few days. I just like to point out your pathological obsession with E-U. Hide anything? Surely you jest...
As for *you* ever doing the Uni a favor? The best thing you could do for e-uni is biomass / uninstall.
Leave it at "War Dec mechanics need to be overhauled" and you'll be fine. E-U does more for this game (and the players in it) in one day than you have or will do.
o7
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Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
873
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Posted - 2012.01.20 08:53:00 -
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Ok, time for some actual facts, complete with numbers...
- April-May, 2008 - I come up with an interesting idea after working out the costs for some recent wars, and check via various petitions to see if the wardec mechanics are operating normally. The response is that they are and everything is by design, and 'wars can be declared for any reason'. Confirm things on both Sisi and TQ.
- May, 2008 - First 'DecShield' happens with 19 wars. Current wartargets are not happy. This runs for a month, before its taken down, potentially ruled (although never communicated) an exploit by CCP.
- December, 2008 - 'DecShield 2.0' is brought up using different mechanics in a limited fashion with far less wars. Runs for around 2 months before being shelved.
- April-May 2011 - A series of long conversations with CCP GMs on the subject of what if anything is objectional.
- May 15th, 2011 - 'DecShield 3.0' is live, comprising of two corporations, on an account specifically created and funded for them. Wars and fees are paid for in full, totalling 200M ISK per week plus PLEX costs. No 'exploits' are used.
- October 10th, 2011 - CCP remove restrictions.
- October 12th, 2011 - Current state of play. A total of 19 wars, using 19 different alts across 19 accounts, all of which are paid for by and live. One particular war lasts for a further 4 weeks at 1 billion ISK per week.
- December 16th, 2011 - A smallish 8 man corporation declares war on E-UNI, paying the full 1 billion ISK fee.
Now, back on the subject, I would welcome CCP 'fixing' the wardec mechanics in such a way that we don't need to or even can't use the DecShield, but I would expect it would take more than a simple 'price hike' to do it properly -after all, CCP have stated since the first CSM that wardecs are 'pay to grief' and they aren't happy with the mechanics.
As is, 'warfare' is sounding like it will be the focus of the next expansion, and CCP have now admitted the current system is broken and impossible to police, so I would seriously expect something to appear on this subject.
As its now unstickied, bumping this topic only serves to make the 'exploits' more obvious for those who wouldn't know about them, and make things worse for those who don't like it. I'll let you discuss amongst yourselves if further bumping of this thread is a good thing or not. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University |
WhaleCommander
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.20 11:07:00 -
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What annoys me about war decs is that I get griefers that want easy kills, when I come with a gang they dock up and refuse to fight me.
I believe the war dec mechanics need a drastic change.
Since they war decced me, they should be obligated to fight me, meaning that I should be able force them to undock and fight me. They started the war, now they must fight.
They can't dock up in a station and hide when im in the system, I should be able to get them to fight me since that's what they agreed to with war declaration. To make it fair they should be able to do the same to me.
Cowardice should not be rewarded, it should be punished.
If they don't want to undock and fight we can make an agreement in that they pay me isk and they drop the war dec. Once the agreement is made, the war is invalidated and I receive the isk.
Oh and when a war is made mutual the aggressing party is unable to invalidate the war for another week. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
686
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:23:00 -
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WhaleCommander wrote:[people] that want easy kills ... Everybody wants easy kills. Even you. No one looks for a challenge every fight.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
686
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:27:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:What? FACTS scare you? It's a f*cking fact. What do you have to hide? That you pop up here the moment someone mentions E-Uni, and you get out of sorts at the mention of a FACT ... hell, what is your problem? Unknot your panties, Asuri.
If my reply was anything, I did E-Uni a favour, by correcting a misconception on the history of the Decshield. Dude, I pop into this thread every few days. I just like to point out your pathological obsession with E-U. Hide anything? Someone mentioned something about the Uni decshields. I added what I remembered. Kelduum cleared it up. Was called Decshield 3.0, not 2.0. What's so obsessive about answering/correcting someone's assumption?
You're pretty f*cking obsessed with me though. ;) You going to Fanfest? I could pose with you in a photo. That should make your month. I'll even sign it.
My friend Asuri,
Stop crawling up my ass!
Poetic.
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1239
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:28:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:What? FACTS scare you? It's a f*cking fact. What do you have to hide? That you pop up here the moment someone mentions E-Uni, and you get out of sorts at the mention of a FACT ... hell, what is your problem? Unknot your panties, Asuri.
If my reply was anything, I did E-Uni a favour, by correcting a misconception on the history of the Decshield. Dude, I pop into this thread every few days. I just like to point out your pathological obsession with E-U. Hide anything? Surely you jest... As for *you* ever doing the Uni a favor? The best thing you could do for e-uni is biomass / uninstall. Leave it at "War Dec mechanics need to be overhauled" and you'll be fine. E-U does more for this game (and the players in it) in one day than you have or will do. o7
E-Uni used to be a great beacon of teaching in this game. They have, however, attracted a huge amount of baggage over the years, to the point where the primary activity in the corp is no longer teaching, and what teaching occurs is subpar (judging by results, forum activity of members, and the attitude the leadership showed during the recent RvB war). dAWwww, here he goes. -áPoastin' Drunk agin. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
145
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Posted - 2012.01.21 02:32:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:You're pretty f*cking obsessed with me though. ;) You going to Fanfest? I could pose with you in a photo. That should make your month. I'll even sign it.
My friend Asuri,
Stop crawling up my ass!
Poetic.
LOL - I love watching you twitch... Like a frog in science class.
Edit to add "content": Can't remember if it was Meissa or Tebor who said (blogged?) that during conversations, that CCP mentioned the 'Dec mechanics are getting looked at. Can't wait to see what they come up with.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
686
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Posted - 2012.01.21 06:29:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Edit to add "content": Can't remember if it was Meissa or Tebor who said (blogged?) that during conversations, that CCP mentioned the 'Dec mechanics are getting looked at. Can't wait to see what they come up with. It was in the CSM Minutes, though at least three CSM members made their own short comments about in their blogs.
Basically, their was some dissent on what CCP had/has planned. CCP wants to implement wardecs in such a way to encourage those that like war, while minimizing its effects on those who do not like war.
There was discussion. Some of CCPs plans changed. Mostly favourable, with some reservations, from the CSM after that meeting. A devblog on the wardecs to happen in the future (my guess would be March or later.)
I'm going to remain pessimistic. The whole "minimizing [the effects of war] on those who do not like war" is disconcerting. If any group in this game is ever able to opt-out of PvP, I will do you the favour of biomassing my characters. This game will become the Chinese servers. A lot of happy merry-go-round bullsh*t. (I'll go play Perpetuum. Land robots will be serious business.)
Here's the exact section from the CSM Minutes:
Quote:Future highlevel discussions GÇô War Present: CCP Soundwave
CCP started off by stating that this was a high-level discussion (as per the meetingGÇÖs subject), more of a brainstorming session in fact. The broad scope of future iterations of the War system is to cater to people that want to do wars, as a profession, and it should cater to people that donGÇÖt want to do wars. And then the question is, how to achieve that?
The changes to the War system are currently being designed and have already changed after the meeting was held due to being actively worked on and because of CSM input. Because of that the details cannot be revealed of the discussion, simply because some of it is already outdated (and Page 23 of 44 therefore incorrect) and others will most likely change. CCP will however communicate publicly about the changes when it has a stronger view of how the system will be changed.
While the CSM appreciates CCP's position, they believe that including the discussion in the minutes would have been helpful and would have promoted discussion in the community. They regret the decision to not permit the release of the minutes of this meeting.
It must also be stated for the record that the CSM voiced concerns that CCP would be fiddling with one of the fundamental things of EVE, i.e. sometimes **** happens to you (like war is declared on you) and you just have to deal with it and any changes to the current system could potentially have negative effect over all. The CSM was however not unanimous in this concern.
After back and forth discussion the CSM ended up being positive about this change although some concerns of the finer details that have to be hammered out. This is definitely something that requires community input and a devblog will be released detailing the changes once they have become clear. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
686
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Posted - 2012.01.21 22:54:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:
- April-May 2011 - A series of long conversations with CCP on the subject of what if anything is objectional.
- May 15th, 2011 - 'DecShield 3.0' is live.
Shadow CSM, btw. In full glorious effect. Why lobby the CSM for some changes you want, when you can step around them, discuss directly with CCP, making the case how much good you do for the game and that you need protection to keep doing those things. All the while bloating beyond your original educational mission statement.
Kelduum Revaan wrote:I would welcome CCP 'fixing' the wardec mechanics Wardecs need to be fixed. I don't think that's what you want at all, though. You did cheer and put up a congratulatory thread the moment this wardec policy change was made. Going to "war" only when the University wants to go to "war" is your only concern. (And I quote war, because arranged three-day battles every few months are not wars.)
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Kelduum Revaan
EVE University Ivy League
893
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Posted - 2012.01.26 07:59:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:E-Uni used to be a great beacon of teaching in this game. They have, however, attracted a huge amount of baggage over the years, to the point where the primary activity in the corp is no longer teaching, and what teaching occurs is subpar... FYI, we have more classes now, with higher attendance, than ever before, although if you think we aren't doing a good a job as you could do, come teach - do a guest class on the subject of your choice and fix that. And that is an offer open to everyone.
Although, I would like to know what the 'primary activity' in E-UNI is if its not teaching - we have a lot of mentors, and many hundreds of members attending classes every week, as well as some very active Q&A channels.
Poetic Stanziel wrote:If any group in this game is ever able to opt-out of PvP, I will do you the favour of biomassing my characters. Seeing as you have been complaining that this is exactly what CCP have now allowed for the last 29 pages, that may not be a bad idea.
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Kelduum Revaan wrote:- April-May 2011 - A series of long conversations with CCP on the subject of what [actions to protect against wardecs] is objectional.
Poetic, I believe you may be intentionally misquoting there. What I said was (emphasis added): Kelduum Revaan wrote:April-May 2011 - A series of long conversations with CCP GMs on the subject of what if anything is objectional. Care to explain why you are attempting to misquote me? EVE-Search can likely confirm it hasn't been edited. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University |
ShipToaster
123
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:11:00 -
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Kelduum Revaan wrote:stuff
Always the revisionist history from eve university. Fake killmails, fake killboard and now fake history.
Look at this thread http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1104927 from 2009.06.25 check out post 26 and see a GM state that decshields were an exploit and this was communicated clearly to the players: "Using alt corps to increase the cost of wars against your corporation or alliance is prohibited", cannot get much clearer than this.
The change from known exploit to not-an-exploit that was communicated only to eve university by senior GM's in April or May of 2011 is where the problem arose. This fundamental change was not communicated to the players but was instead only given to eve university.
I asked in a petition for any information on when the change happened and why but am still waiting for a response, checked and the petition is now closed. CCP give us the answers: when did this exploit change, why, and why was no one told about the change except eve university? This is not the way EVE should be: this issue identifies a serious problem in the methodology of communicating such decisions to the players that CCP must improve.
Here is my dates and times list.
2009.06.25 self deccing to increase costs declared an exploit. eve university knows fine well that this is an exploit 2011.05.XX eve university gets "special permission" from an unnamed senior GM, or GM's, to bypass a known exploit, no one else told (I always thought senior GM's were CCP employees, were fully accountable to and spoke for CCP but could be wrong) 2011.09.XX Petition asking about this being an exploit or not submitted, this results in: 2011.10.10 This thread where it is finally communicated to everyone that things have actually changed 2011.10.12 Eve becomes a consensual PvP game and CCP fully become :ccp:
Post 32 in that thread is by Kelduum Revaan and is also notable, "and after lengthy discussions with the GM's its not going to happen again" ("its" refers to decshields, yeah, right!), seems this GM group knew their stuff unlike whoever you got to agree to let eve university force attacker war costs up in April or May last year without telling anyone else. Guess we, and by this I mean the rest of EVE, are not important enough to have long conversations with senior GM's about how to exploit the system for our own benefit.
This is the problem with eve university now as any group that gets special privileges, special permissions or even sandbox rules modified to help them and them alone is game breaking. If one group gets special treatment then why should this not apply to all groups? If you get rules modified to help you then I want {insert my personal demand list here} rules should apply equally to all with no exceptions.
CCP need to get wardecs fixed so I can wardec an alliance called Ivy League that has eight hundred and twenty two players over one year old.; I have a legitimate in game grievance that can only end with their total destruction. How the **** any corp with over eight hundred players over a year old is considered a noob corp or a noob training corp escapes me but leaving that aside for the moment by their in game actions have eve university offended me and. like every other group in EVE, I should have the same mechanics available to me to chastise them.
Kelduum Revaan wrote: -after all, CCP have stated since the first CSM that wardecs are 'pay to grief' and they aren't happy with the mechanics
I would be interested in seeing the source for this.
The best I could find was this http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=819325 where a CCP employee expressed this opinion (and was then slapped down hard for being a 'tard) but I cannot find anything where CCP as an organisation state this.
I did find http://massively.joystiq.com/2008/08/10/eve-evolved-is-eve-online-going-soft/ and CCP did to some degree distance themselves from this opinion here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=905941&page=1#19 It is funny how you accuse PS of misquoting you but you just fail to mention the important parts here in your revisionist Pravda.
RubyPorto wrote:Just sayin' Just because a piece of stupid is temporary doesn't make it not stupid. Plus, they only did this when people started noticing that EvE-University had had a very large shield up for ~4months.
Cheating their way out of wardecs is synonymous with eve university.
Every one I talk to thinks that any revised rules will make eve university virtually immune to wardecs while doing **** all to help anyone else.
The predominant claim is that eve university will either have the "new player" training corp tag applied to them or will have some sort of de facto massive ISK cost to dec them that will seriously discourage people from deccing them. These seem to be the most likely methods to give eve university immunity while still maintaining the fine fiction of CCP impartiality in this matter.
It is a pity that eve university is not a new player training corp now (as you noted, and as I pointed out months ago, and this was confirmed when eve university edited the new player part from their mission statement) but eve university is simply a massive carebear corp with a side order of teaching.
Again, we pay to dec one corp or one alliance not the number of members in that corp or alliance. This change will be a bad change for so many reasons. Incursion math? part 1 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=678400#post678400 part 2 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=698871#post698871 |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
135
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Posted - 2012.01.31 02:44:00 -
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Just removing dec shields and put a stasis timer on a war dec that stops people leaving/joining a corp within the first few days of a war. At least that way people can still leave/join, but not immediately flee the war/join up to gank someone. Timer should be from when the first active war started if there are multiple going at the same time to prevent people continually throwing rotating decs to stop people joining/leaving.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
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Posted - 2012.01.31 02:47:00 -
[568] - Quote
Har Harrison wrote:Just removing dec shields and put a stasis timer on a war dec that stops people leaving/joining a corp within the first few days of a war. At least that way people can still leave/join, but not immediately flee the war/join up to gank someone. Timer should be from when the first active war started if there are multiple going at the same time to prevent people continually throwing rotating decs to stop people joining/leaving.
War decs are fine as they are. High sec griefers need to come to low sec and learnt2play. Or wardec people who want to fight. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
699
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Posted - 2012.01.31 03:22:00 -
[569] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:War decs are fine as they are. High sec griefers need to come to low sec and learnt2play. Or wardec people who want to fight. You, sir, do not understand EVE.
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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
135
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Posted - 2012.01.31 04:42:00 -
[570] - Quote
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Har Harrison wrote:Just removing dec shields and put a stasis timer on a war dec that stops people leaving/joining a corp within the first few days of a war. At least that way people can still leave/join, but not immediately flee the war/join up to gank someone. Timer should be from when the first active war started if there are multiple going at the same time to prevent people continually throwing rotating decs to stop people joining/leaving. War decs are fine as they are. High sec griefers need to come to low sec and learnt2play. Or wardec people who want to fight. My alt corp fights high sec wars. They know how to PvP. They do low sec and null sec as well sometimes. Doesn't change the fact that the war dec mechanic is BS and needs fixing!!!
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