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Beanard
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:22:00 -
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An exploit is a bug that has been called an exploit by the developers. This particular bug has been around since 2008 or before from what I understand. The bug has still not been fixed. The exploit tag and disciplinary action from CCP against anyone who used the bug should have been lifted a very very long time ago since it appears that at some point CCP decided not to fix this bug.
Exploits are a particular pet pev of mine. There are no such things as exploits there are only bugs. Bugs should be fixed, if the developers don't fix it then it becomes a feature. Simply declaring a bug an exploit and taking disciplinary action against your customers is lazy. Fix the bug or STFU.
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Garia666
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E Xenon-Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:51:00 -
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As for the saving of high Sec POS through leaving an alliance, yes, that's easier now, but there are still ways to still destroy a tower within normal mechanics even after the war cool down due to leaving the alliance has ended (and it has been done successfully already).
This is where you can see CCP aint playing there own games..
Please be so kindly how we will be able to destroy an HIGH sec pos.. What do you propose us to do.? this **** is a fecking joke... |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
69
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Posted - 2011.10.14 14:54:00 -
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GM Karidor wrote:In the past, there have been some policies in place within Customer Support that imposed additional rules onto the war mechanics available in game, such as the so called " Alliance Hopping" or the more recent "Dec Shield". The decision has been made to lift those restrictions that affect war declarations, thereby opening up ways for corporations to avoid unwanted wars via methods that were previously considered exploits of game mechanics. In other words: If you can leave or declare a war, raise the costs for other entities to declare one to you or do any other war related things within current normal game mechanics, you may do so without having to keep other rules in mind.
I know it was discussed in CCP that new War Declaration System was on the way. This was stated a few times to want to make war decs more "Target and objective" oriented or similar.
Is this just a precursor to those changes coming up?
Thanks! NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |
Synsational
The Condemned and Convicted
0
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Posted - 2011.10.14 15:10:00 -
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M'kay, rather than fix WD mechanics, we're gonna go ahead and introduce a new way of breaking them. If you play Eve you can now spend your isk on wardecs, which can be circumvented by the targets. This is the equivalent of, and thanks to this thread, is just as well known waste of sik, as the "Hi, I represent a legitimate Nigerian bank, and I'd like you to waste your money by...."
POS Removal dec's. Okay sure that was covered above, but did you stop to think that most moons are taken already occurred to you CCP? What if I have a new indy corp, and I want to start making stuffs. I will need to wardec, or hire mercs, to remove towers so I can setup my own. Now this goes away. As does the POS-save mission, as few will have the need for such an operation. It's like the scene in 'Lord of War" where Nicholas Cage simply change the flag and paints a new name on his freighter to avoid the police. Same thing here. M'kay, just change the corp log on the tower and it's safe. Good stuff, much better than using the spaceships and skills you train to play the game.
I read the proposed "work-around" solution of continual aggression on a tower to keep it from switching, er, I mean exploiting it's way out of getting red-misted). You're kidding right? M'kay, what you need to do, in order to kil the tower(s) you paid hundreds of millions to wardec, is talk your pilots into a nearly 2 day continuous operation (if tower is stronted). The majority of this operation, when the tower is in RF, will be spent linking fukung pics to one another in fleet chat. We are recruiting POS bash pilots.
Lastly, whether you are one of the "come to 0.0 RAWR", middle of the road, or CCP haters in the above posts, everyone can agree that by this policy, it's the middle-class and poor who will suffer the most here. The ones who cannot afford to setup alliances will not be able to enjoy this super-nifty way of avoiding wardecs. Given the sensitivity of the isk for win discussion on AUR and Noble exchange, I would think CCP would have gone the other way on this. Buy more plex and you're safe, you can buy even buy more plex and buy faction towers and faction BS'es. Just buy plex. Oh, you can't afford plex? I hope you recover from your loss. |
El Geo
Group 2
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Posted - 2011.10.14 15:35:00 -
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meh |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.14 15:43:00 -
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For everyone complaining, here is a reason why the Wardec shield mechanic might be a good idea.
1. NPC corp have tax to virtual coffers, isk disseappers 2. Corps don't really have tax to virtual coffers, isk doesn't disseapper 3. CCP changes wardec rules, allowing dec shields. 4. ??? 5. PROFIT! Maintaining the dec shield is very much like POS Fuel, skill que, moon mining, or PI; You have to actively iniated the wardec to yourself once a week from other corps. So, to keep so many wardecs active on yourself to effectively cockblock someone else you have to apply your own isk to shell corporation and submit to CONCORD. So....more isk is draining out of EVE. To buy your own protection is like the 11% tax NPC corp people pay, it just makes it more expensive to live a "safer" highsec life style.
So yeah, not a totally bad idea if you think about it. If you still want to complain, then don't think about it and it still makes sense...sorta . I mean, do you really want to POS bash that much? And there are thousands of moons, just move farther away from the trade hubs. If you want PVP....Lowsec, FW, Red vs Blue, Null, or start your own Red vs Blue battle leagues if your so inclined you don't have to shoot every guy in highsec. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
8
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:29:00 -
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sukmanobov wrote:your so correct i love you. Maybe i should give up the 3 corps i own and the CEO of The 0rphanage alliance and delete my charater so i can be Science and Trade Institute corp too.
#1 - you love him so much you posted 4 times...
#2 - Biomass is painless...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
98
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:30:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:For everyone complaining, here is a reason why the Wardec shield mechanic might be a good idea.
1. NPC corp have tax to virtual coffers, isk disseappers 2. Corps don't really have tax to virtual coffers, isk doesn't disseapper 3. CCP changes wardec rules, allowing dec shields. 4. ??? 5. PROFIT! Maintaining the dec shield is very much like POS Fuel, skill que, moon mining, or PI; You have to actively iniated the wardec to yourself once a week from other corps. So, to keep so many wardecs active on yourself to effectively cockblock someone else you have to apply your own isk to shell corporation and submit to CONCORD. So....more isk is draining out of EVE. Unless, like EVE University, you were supplied a method of avoid most of those CONCORD costs in setting up a very expensive nineteen corporation decshield.
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Barakkus
816
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:47:00 -
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boseo wrote:*checks calender* no its not April. is there going to be any official statement as to why these derisions have been made at all, just interested to see why tbh.
Probably because it costs too much to coddle whiners when they don't get their way. |
rufeno
Imajica Investments Blue Sky Consortium
11
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:50:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Aqriue wrote:For everyone complaining, here is a reason why the Wardec shield mechanic might be a good idea.
1. NPC corp have tax to virtual coffers, isk disseappers 2. Corps don't really have tax to virtual coffers, isk doesn't disseapper 3. CCP changes wardec rules, allowing dec shields. 4. ??? 5. PROFIT! Maintaining the dec shield is very much like POS Fuel, skill que, moon mining, or PI; You have to actively iniated the wardec to yourself once a week from other corps. So, to keep so many wardecs active on yourself to effectively cockblock someone else you have to apply your own isk to shell corporation and submit to CONCORD. So....more isk is draining out of EVE. Unless, like EVE University, you were supplied a method of avoid most of those CONCORD costs in setting up a very expensive nineteen corporation decshield.
haha.
there are other big high-sec alliance out there that can easely use that tactic.
the 19 corps dec-shield is pretty easy, and cost around 200m. per week. it just take time...
3-4 people can do it in 2h, splited over 2-3 days..
even small alliance can do that. it only requires 1 paid character slot. (trial account can declare wars..)
As for every moon occupied? come on, I found 3 in the same system in like 10 minutes 5 jumps from jita.
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.14 17:23:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Selene D'Celeste wrote:That's .... random. They're making public policy of something that has been going on unofficially for some timeGǪ
This.
For everything else: place for tears please my cup is empty ! |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.10.14 17:35:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Unless, like EVE University, you were supplied a method of avoid most of those CONCORD costs in setting up a very expensive nineteen corporation decshield. They weren't "supplied" with the idea/concept, it was developed internally (by Keld, originally I believe). Which, if you read the "10.5 Billion Isk for one day of peace" thread, you would see.
So your point is irrelevant (again). Nice try tho, and thanks for playing!
You dolt.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
sukmanobov
The Priesthood The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.14 20:20:00 -
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Irdalth Delrar wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:You don't work for a psychic. You simply work for someone who understands statistics. Although he's obviously hired someone who's incredibly bad at spin doctoring. ;) Its why I don't spin :) Either way, we have had that kind of turnout in the past, when it was necessary, and the 50% was decide based on the activity data we have, which is much higher then the past. But anyway, that's off topic.
whats of topic is this is an EVE-Uni idea... whether it or whether it isn't is besides the point. It effects more than just eve-uni, were talking TEST, GOONS, -10, F-Con, VERA and a host of larger 0.0 alliances being able to put their prices up. And the other matter of Corp Hopping to be used as a means of hiding your self in local.
As the forum say's (not me) it may have been started with EVE-Uni But in the end it effects everyone. |
sukmanobov
The Priesthood The 0rphanage
6
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Posted - 2011.10.14 20:27:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:GM Karidor wrote:In the past, there have been some policies in place within Customer Support that imposed additional rules onto the war mechanics available in game, such as the so called " Alliance Hopping" or the more recent "Dec Shield". The decision has been made to lift those restrictions that affect war declarations, thereby opening up ways for corporations to avoid unwanted wars via methods that were previously considered exploits of game mechanics. In other words: If you can leave or declare a war, raise the costs for other entities to declare one to you or do any other war related things within current normal game mechanics, you may do so without having to keep other rules in mind. Then CONCORD should lift its restrictions on DECLARING war and send us back to the days of the Privateers of 4 years ago. God knows the game could use it.
hail mary |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
131
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Posted - 2011.10.14 20:49:00 -
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Alright, so corps that know how to use the decshield and game the war mechanics will be just fine, but the noob corps who are still figuring out how to manage a corp properly are even more screwed than before.
Glad to know CCP cares about their new players. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
154
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:12:00 -
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TBQFH the solution to poor little babby just wants to mine in peace is already in the game.
They're called NPC corps. You're immune from wardecs in them. Want to mine with friends? Well strike me stupid, you can make a chat channel. Want to avoid a wardec? Drop your toon into an NPC corp and carry on. You pay tax for immunity.
Eve needs to be frank with itself. A corp is not a guild. It's not just there for friends to fly together. It's a declaration you are ready to step out into the "harsh" real universe of eve.
If CCP did more to say "hey, you know what? Is making a corp on your third day in eve really a good idea?" then you can cut out all the bullcrap above, even drop ANY cost to wardec, and have an actual sandbox.
Obviously this needs work. You would need to have it such that for say, your first 90 (account) days, you pay no tax in an NPC corp. Then maybe 5% from 90-180 days then steadily more upto 25% for characters over a year old, eventually paying a large premium for immunity.
Immunity should come at a price, it shouldn't be handed out to all and sundry to protect new players, who already have protections to abide themselves of. The goal of protecting new players here fails, miserably, because it's not just E-Uni who get this, it is ANYONE who can make themselves immune to war.
The new rule change does jack **** to protect new players, and does a whole **** load to protect people who just want to carebear and avoid the possibility of PVP in their game. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.10.14 21:39:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:The new rule change does jack **** to protect new players, and does a whole **** load to protect people who just want to carebear and avoid the possibility of PVP in their game. QFT.
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
John Rothman
Sleeper Asset Relocation Services
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:30:00 -
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Hi-sec war: Now pointless.
1) Get dec'd 2) Drop to alt corp 3) When alt corp dec'd, drop to another corp 4) repeat over and over until people deccing you give up
Easy solution: Members in a corporation at war CAN'T LEAVE THE CORPORATION. Cost of war goes up and up every week.
Too restrictive for you? Cry less, stay in an NPC corp.
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
9
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:22:00 -
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John Rothman wrote:Hi-sec war: Now pointless.
1) Get dec'd 2) Drop to alt corp 3) When alt corp dec'd, drop to another corp 4) repeat over and over until people deccing you give up
Easy solution: Members in a corporation at war CAN'T LEAVE THE CORPORATION. Cost of war goes up and up every week.
Too restrictive for you? Cry less, stay in an NPC corp.
What you describe already happens, and is *not* what the OP was about... Secondly, a person may join or leave a corp @ will, effectively meaning war-dec immunity. Except for the stupid or too new to know the diffence....
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Arron Samar
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
1
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:35:00 -
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John Rothman wrote:Hi-sec war: Now pointless.
1) Get dec'd 2) Drop to alt corp 3) When alt corp dec'd, drop to another corp 4) repeat over and over until people deccing you give up
Easy solution: Members in a corporation at war CAN'T LEAVE THE CORPORATION. Cost of war goes up and up every week.
Too restrictive for you? Cry less, stay in an NPC corp.
lol 'Cry Less'! Amazed you could type while crying so much
Griefers tears.... better than Ninja Tears |
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Arron Samar
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
1
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:56:00 -
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On a more serious note....
I'm not sure why people are bitching and moaning so much as the whole WD mechanics are stupid. Living in empire high sec space you have the protection of CONCORD and the empire you are residing in. A griefer corp can then pay x amount to circumnavigate the rules and this is seen as being OK while any attempt by the aggressed parties to avoid it is an exploit..... lol wut?
If you can bribe concord why can't I bribe them more to ignore you and protect me?
High sec should not and is not safe but trying to justify it from one side or the other when it just doesn't make sense is retarded. Change the rules so unused towers disappear in 28 days, Low or 0.0 based (based is important) can apply to carry their fights into high as long as they don't involve neutral parties, etc
Someone earlier in the thread said that Eve was a PvP game. No, no, no, Eve is a sandbox and you decide how you play it. If you want to mine then good luck to you sir. If you want to fight then there is 0.0 and Low sec for you.... if you think that carebears are lame then fine, encourage them to move to low rather than use it as a silly excuse to grief people who don't play the same way that you do. |
Pollo Rico
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 00:59:00 -
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GM Karidor wrote:.....but lifting those rules will give us a better view on the various loopholes that exist within the mechanics (for both, attackers and defenders). 8 years in brosef...Pollo disapproves of your lazy attitude. Pollo feels that you should hire a db dude to query all those petitions and make a pretty graph for hillmar. Pollo thinks that only then will you be able to see what the problem is and fix it.
Pollo dissaproves of incarna as well....
I wrote a piece of code that takes your corp, alliance, merc channel and/or private(etc) conversations and immediately sends it to a specified TeamSpeak channel.-á$5,000,000,000 isk and all code is yours. -áWill assist with setup.-áPollo approves this message. |
YUMAD BRO
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.10.15 05:49:00 -
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Grats CCP
you are finially ******* the game up so bad the most will leave...well exept the isk bot farmers of coarse.
FUCKIN NUBS |
Irval Penken
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 06:49:00 -
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rufeno wrote:the 19 corps dec-shield is pretty easy, and cost around 200m. per week. it just take time...
3-4 people can do it in 2h, splited over 2-3 days..
even small alliance can do that. it only requires 1 paid character slot. (trial account can declare wars..)
Could you just share this "pretty easy" way? I would still consider it broken, but the knowledge also better should be available to everybody (and I am damn curious, too :-) |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
39
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Posted - 2011.10.15 10:20:00 -
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I still cant help but feel that they start the morning with meetings that the topic is, "how do we **** off our customers today", these days.
Its like every time I feel they might be taking a step forward, CCP follows up with 5 steps back the next day.
Feel like im on a trollercoaster. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
156
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Posted - 2011.10.15 14:28:00 -
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Arron Samar wrote:A griefer corp can then pay x amount to circumnavigate the rules and this is seen as being OK while any attempt by the aggressed parties to avoid it is an exploit..... lol wut? Because all wardecs are a greifer attacking noobs, right?
How about the guy who got scammed, who wants to wardec the aggressor? Now he can't How about the guy who wants to remove the POS from a particular moon? Now he can't How about the guy who got suicide ganked and wants to go after the aggressor? Now he can't How about the 0.0 alliance who want to interfere with their enemies logistics in highsec? Now they can't
The change is unilateral, it doesn't just protect "poor innocent little noobies" from "big bad mean greifers"
Again, the solution to getting away from "the big bad wolf" is the NPC corp. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
rufeno
Imajica Investments Blue Sky Consortium
11
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:50:00 -
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Irval Penken wrote:rufeno wrote:the 19 corps dec-shield is pretty easy, and cost around 200m. per week. it just take time...
3-4 people can do it in 2h, splited over 2-3 days..
even small alliance can do that. it only requires 1 paid character slot. (trial account can declare wars..) Could you share this "pretty easy" way? I would still consider it broken, but the knowledge also better should be available to everybody (and I am damn curious, too :-)
3 corps wardec another one. cost: 1.6m x 3 +2+4+6m. (you can use a trial account to form those 3 attacking corp)
the wardecced corp join in the alliance. boom! 3 wars on the alliance, next war on the alliance cost 200m.
repeat as needed.
there poetic, no more Eve-U "sekrit"
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L Salander
All Web Investigations
3
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:55:00 -
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Allowing "dec shields" is just... wow.
urgh |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
109
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:58:00 -
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rufeno wrote:Irval Penken wrote:rufeno wrote:the 19 corps dec-shield is pretty easy, and cost around 200m. per week. it just take time...
3-4 people can do it in 2h, splited over 2-3 days..
even small alliance can do that. it only requires 1 paid character slot. (trial account can declare wars..) Could you share this "pretty easy" way? I would still consider it broken, but the knowledge also better should be available to everybody (and I am damn curious, too :-) 3 corps wardec another one. cost: 1.6m x 3 +2+4+6m. (you can use a trial account to form those 3 attacking corp) the wardecced corp join in the alliance. boom! 3 wars on the alliance, next war on the alliance cost 200m. Based on what you describe, EVE University would have to be a stand-alone corporation for this to work, and I don't believe that they are leaving Ivy League when their 19 corp decshield is applied.
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
rufeno
Imajica Investments Blue Sky Consortium
11
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Posted - 2011.10.15 17:42:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:rufeno wrote:Irval Penken wrote:rufeno wrote:the 19 corps dec-shield is pretty easy, and cost around 200m. per week. it just take time...
3-4 people can do it in 2h, splited over 2-3 days..
even small alliance can do that. it only requires 1 paid character slot. (trial account can declare wars..) Could you share this "pretty easy" way? I would still consider it broken, but the knowledge also better should be available to everybody (and I am damn curious, too :-) 3 corps wardec another one. cost: 1.6m x 3 +2+4+6m. (you can use a trial account to form those 3 attacking corp) the wardecced corp join in the alliance. boom! 3 wars on the alliance, next war on the alliance cost 200m. Based on what you describe, EVE University would have to be a stand-alone corporation for this to work, and I don't believe that they are leaving Ivy League when their 19 corp decshield is applied.
no, you don't get it.
the decced corp join in the alliance where Eve-U (or the corp you want to protect) is already in. |
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