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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2011.10.19 08:36:00 -
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Sofia Bellard wrote:One of the very best GM decisions ever to be honest. The game is played by more than just blood thirsty PvP players guys.
DEAL WITH IT! This is incongruous with your desires. Since you're "pro Incarna" and think CCP should develop their efforts there, shouldn't wardecs be allowed as an incentive to stay docked, and explore the features?
Troll consistently tbh. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Twisted Trucker
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 12:11:00 -
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Better yet, why don't you take your tears back to your own thread! |
Twisted Trucker
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 12:22:00 -
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Irval Penken wrote:I just feel that CCP's decision is pointless if it makes it possible to make declaring war a financial disaster for the attacker - one could talk weeks about what costs would be appropriate, but being able to rise it in the way that EVE UNI does it now (and other alliances can, as well, if they bother) just looks *wrong*.
I mean, seriously, why have a mechanism in the game if you then accept it that people can completely bypass it...
Sorry, why shouldn't it be a potential financial disaster for the attacker, just like it is a potential financial disaster for the defender?
Same goes for you HI-Sec POS bash whiners, what's stopping you? NOTHING!
Sack up the cash and go do it, only now YOU risk it being a possible financial disaster too, just like the poor sod who's POS your about to TRY and gank. No more 50 million chump change war-dec's to bash a couple billion worth of POS! |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
203
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Posted - 2011.10.19 12:55:00 -
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Twisted Trucker wrote:arathdghdhgdhghdghdghdghdg11!!!!!!!!!!!!1111one
Because "defending" yourself by voting yourselves in and out of an alliance and using glitches in the game code is just ridiculous.
How about you defend it using, I don't know, ships? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Bill Banner
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 13:15:00 -
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FACT: The vast majority of EVE players remain in highsec.
FACT: EVE has more PVE content than PVP content.
You can infer from the above that the vast majority of EVE players are more apt to be mission running, building things, trading on the market, and just generally futzing about in Empire.
If these 'carebears' are prevented from doing what it is they're signing on to do - they will not sign on. If they don't sign on for a long enough period, it follows that the likelihood of them retaining a subscription is low. Given that this is the largest segment of the playerbase, it's not a sustainable practice.
I'm not anti-PVP by any means - but I am anti douche-baggery. Remove killmails (outside of wardecs) and nuke that whole meta-game from orbit. |
Vewen Sinulf
Sierra Constructions
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 14:41:00 -
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Why not have the war dec mechanism to be linked to the size of your corp/alliance. For example:
The corp/alliance you want to declare war upon can not be more then 10x the size of your own. Meaning, if you are a 1 man griefer corp then you can not declare war on a corp that has 11 or more members. This stops the idiotic 1 man war decs against large corps/alliances.
At the same time, the weekly cost of a war could be 1m per member, if you want to declare war on a larger corp/alliance obviously you need more members to do so (see above) and then it'll be costing you more ISK.
Allowing the hopping and shielding in my opinion is not the right way forward. |
ShipToaster
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:03:00 -
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Twisted Trucker wrote:Better yet, why don't you take your tears back to your own thread!
I would say you should post your ideas but you are no doubt too embarrassed to do it and have resorted to low grade trolling instead. Seriously, post what you think wars should be about as this might be the only chance you get in the next five years.
The carebears ideas are all "increase war costs. the end" so dont whine to me when my ideas are implemented because they are so god damn suave and actually address the problems.
Vewen Sinulf wrote:Standard carebear stuff
At least try to come up with something new. You so have to be an eve university alt. |
Avon
Versatech Co. Raiden.
80
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Posted - 2011.10.19 16:50:00 -
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Bill Banner wrote: FACT: EVE has more PVE content than PVP content.
Really?
Every player is PVP content, even if they consider themselves a PVEer, as it should be. |
Norrin Ellis
Venture Racing
14
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Posted - 2011.10.19 17:33:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote: Because "defending" yourself by voting yourselves in and out of an alliance and using glitches in the game code is just ridiculous.
How about you defend it using, I don't know, ships?
The current Pay to GriefGäó system is not an incentive to declare war against people who can defend with, you know, ships. Pick targets that can legitimately fight back, and perhaps they will. Pick targets that are easy prey, and they'll use the cheapest, easiest means at their disposal to be rid of you. CEO, Venture Racing |
Darkdood
Estrale Frontiers
8
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Posted - 2011.10.19 17:47:00 -
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GM Karidor wrote:The reactions are mixed, as expected. However, lifting those rules is only the first step. We know that the current war mechanics leave a lot to desire (which is one reason those rules were set down in the first place), and there will be more to come in this regard. When exactly, this I sadly don't know, but lifting those rules will give us a better view on the various loopholes that exist within the mechanics (for both, attackers and defenders). Having said that, if you have ideas on how to improve war mechanics and make them more sound and useful, it probably is a good time to create (or revive) according threads on the Features and Ideas Discussions forum in this regard.
If you guys really are going to fix an obviously broken system in say the next six months then I'm totally for this. Let it all explode so you can see how badly its broken. |
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
24
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Posted - 2011.10.19 18:32:00 -
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ShipToaster wrote:Vewen Sinulf wrote:Standard carebear stuff You so have to be an eve university alt. Alt decrying alt's posting habits...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
210
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:31:00 -
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Norrin Ellis wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote: Because "defending" yourself by voting yourselves in and out of an alliance and using glitches in the game code is just ridiculous.
How about you defend it using, I don't know, ships?
The current Pay to GriefGäó system is not an incentive to declare war against people who can defend with, you know, ships. Pick targets that can legitimately fight back, and perhaps they will. Pick targets that are easy prey, and they'll use the cheapest, easiest means at their disposal to be rid of you.
Sounds to me like they shouldn't have hung up a loot pinata with no ability to defend it.
You aren't meant to be able to get the rewards, without the risk. If you can't / won't defend yourselves you deserve to lose. That's what PVP is meant to be, not a "oh gosh, lets let them take part and go easy"
**** your ****, man. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Djavo
Privateers Privateer Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.10.19 21:58:00 -
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Poo sticks, ship spinning that doesn't work and a stupid update to this chunky pile of grass loving, spider spitting, chesty cough mixture rollocks.
All in all, less awesome than cheese on toast, which let me tell you is far superior than ants covered in honey. |
isk4trade
Cogitation Mining and Industrial Trading
1
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Posted - 2011.10.20 04:40:00 -
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Iam Kikas wrote:Well, based upon the current calendar of events leading to this point now, we can expect resolution in 2014? Will be interesting to see if the slow death that Eve has been experiencing in the past year will be complete by then.
Oh yes ... The HORRENDOUS decilne of average players online per day is very evident here in the "Past Year" chart here ... http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility ...
NOT !
me
P.S. - The sky is falling! ... The sky is falling!
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
124
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Posted - 2011.10.20 05:00:00 -
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isk4trade wrote:Iam Kikas wrote:Well, based upon the current calendar of events leading to this point now, we can expect resolution in 2014? Will be interesting to see if the slow death that Eve has been experiencing in the past year will be complete by then. Oh yes ... The HORRENDOUS decilne of average players online per day is very evident here in the "Past Year" chart here ... http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility ... NOT ! You may be reading the chart incorrectly. From left to right on the X axis, it is most recent data to oldest data. What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
isk4trade
Cogitation Mining and Industrial Trading
1
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Posted - 2011.10.20 05:10:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Alright, so corps that know how to use the decshield and game the war mechanics will be just fine, but the noob corps who are still figuring out how to manage a corp properly are even more screwed than before.
Glad to know CCP cares about their new players.
I used this all the time when I was a new corp and still do. To create another "escape corp" to avoid war decs with an alt char of even the same account is FREE! ...
This change is only beneficial to small carebear corps that wanna get on with mining, building, or missioning business as usual and avoid griefing corps.
... oh how griefers whine when their newbie targets change corps and they can't blow up their haulers, mining boats and missioners any more on this looked-forward-to Saturday with their BCs HACs and Battleships.
Whine griefers whine.
I have NO IDEA what you mean by noob corps being even more screwed than before now with this change.
As to the huge repercussions with 19 corp chains and alliance hopping and dec shields I admit knowing nothing about that aspect of this issue.
I am simply responding to the issue of newer and less PVP-oriented and talented smaller corps being able to corp hop their heart out back AND forth to avoid wars they don't want. Many griefers have said here if they dont wanna defend what they have then they don't deserve it. ... No, sorry ... defence of the non-aggressive in Empire Space is Concord's job.
Griefer corps should NOT have the right to "be the ones to teach a newbie corp what EVE is all about" in their one-sided "Eve is a PVP game" opinion. These carebears are building the ammo and modules they use to shoot **** and have fun. They don't seem to see that symbiosis whatsoever.
Another excuse of griefer corps for attacking newbie corps is "We have to train our newbie E-thugs somewhere." That's a load of bull manure too. They can tag along in confrontations that are not exactly in the hundred to one odds category such as blowing up week old chars with fleets of superior ships.
High school and College kids picking on Kindergarten and Elementary School kids in the sand box of the playground is just that ... Grow some balls and pick on someone somewhere CLOSE to your size if you wanna swing your EPEEN around.
These Balttleclinic stats (some of which members of some corps are even PROUD of and BRAG of) with the "Favorite Prey" showing as "Rookie Ship" make me LOL ... SO HARD ... so often ...
nuf said ... [/rant]
me
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Kmelx
Applied Creations The Fendahlian Collective
1
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Posted - 2011.10.20 07:52:00 -
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isk4trade wrote:Whine griefers whine
^^What he said^^
Wardecs currently are a joke, probably 95% of all active decs ongoing at the moment will be decs from PVP griefer corps against PVEers with no means to defend themselves, if this gives the PVEers a way to avoid the decs, annoy the lame griefers and cost them ISK it gets a +1 from me. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
211
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Posted - 2011.10.20 09:28:00 -
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The last two posters are ducking fetarded.
No one gives a **** whether YOU THINK wardecs should or should not be allowed. CCP have stated they WANT Eve to be a harsh universe. They have stated that being able to avoid wars in these ways is an UNINTENDED MECHANIC. If you disagree, leave the ******* game.
This change is not CCP saying "we don't want wars in highsec" or they would just remove the ******* option. This is about CCP saying "thats a bad thing ... but we can't fix it and won't police it." - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Dog Fuqqer
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 10:45:00 -
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Quote:GM Karidor needs your likes! From: Kelduum Revaan Sent: 2011.10.17 16:45 To: EVE University, To show your support for the awesomeness that is the DecShield, I would like everyone to follow these instructions: 1. Click this link: http://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1657652. Sign in if you haven't done already via the Log On button at the top. 3. Click "Like" in the top right of his post. 4. If you have any other characters or accounts, use "switch character" in the top right of the page, and repeat. 5. Don't post there, really, but you can have a good read and behold the griefer tears. Thanks everyone, -- Keld
In case anybody was wondering why this awful idea got so many "Likes" for GM Karidor. |
0Lona 0ltor
Mean Corp Mean Coalition
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 11:18:00 -
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Not enforcing meta gaming war dodgers is a joke. This is clearly an attempt by a previous employer of CCP to damage the game in a bitter revenge attack just before being laid off.
Don't worry folks now that CCP has removed the baggage from its pay roll the game will hopefully get back to its routes as a PVP online spaceship game. Instead of the space Barbie ''you can't hurt me!'' crap fest that it currently is. |
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Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER Monkey Circus
5
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Posted - 2011.10.20 12:23:00 -
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Why the confusion. Can we please remove wardecs completely? And while at it: make hisec so you cannot activate any offensive weapons thank you. |
Norrin Ellis
Venture Racing
16
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Posted - 2011.10.20 16:34:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Norrin Ellis wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote: Because "defending" yourself by voting yourselves in and out of an alliance and using glitches in the game code is just ridiculous.
How about you defend it using, I don't know, ships?
The current Pay to GriefGäó system is not an incentive to declare war against people who can defend with, you know, ships. Pick targets that can legitimately fight back, and perhaps they will. Pick targets that are easy prey, and they'll use the cheapest, easiest means at their disposal to be rid of you. Sounds to me like they shouldn't have hung up a loot pinata with no ability to defend it. You aren't meant to be able to get the rewards, without the risk. If you can't / won't defend yourselves you deserve to lose. That's what PVP is meant to be, not a "oh gosh, lets let them take part and go easy"
You have just exposed the mentality of every whiner in this thread. You don't really want a real fight, that is, PvP. You want easy gratification, and you want to blame the victims, selected explicitly for the ease with which they can be killed, for not putting up a real fight.
This is the equivalent of bullying a 5-year-old and then complaining that the 5-year-old should've fought harder to keep his candy.
CEO, Venture Racing |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
125
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:01:00 -
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Kmelx wrote:PVEers with no means to defend themselves Why do people carry on with this fallacy that PvEers cannot defend themselves. Are their some special rules that inhibit them from fitting ships properly?
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
125
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:04:00 -
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Dog Fuqqer wrote:Quote:GM Karidor needs your likes! From: Kelduum Revaan Sent: 2011.10.17 16:45 To: EVE University, To show your support for the awesomeness that is the DecShield, I would like everyone to follow these instructions: 1. Click this link: http://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1657652. Sign in if you haven't done already via the Log On button at the top. 3. Click "Like" in the top right of his post. 4. If you have any other characters or accounts, use "switch character" in the top right of the page, and repeat. 5. Don't post there, really, but you can have a good read and behold the griefer tears. Thanks everyone, -- Keld In case anybody was wondering why this awful idea got so many "Likes" for GM Karidor. E-UNI fighting against the sandbox since 2007. (Or whenever it was that Kelduum took over.)
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Chiyeung Bonaparte
Nocturne.
5
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Posted - 2011.10.20 18:07:00 -
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CCP are you serious? What kind of change is this?
Fix your war dec system before you make any announcements like this.
This has destroyed high sec warfare and merc work.
I am ceo of a small merc corp that takes on high sec jobs, what can i do, when the target simply joins an alliance and raises the bill to the 100-200 mill. I lose a lot of business.
I recently had a contract against a corp that simply joined an alliance, and when we decced the alliance, they dropped the alliance and probably joining another one soon.
This is ridiculous. Good job CCP. Eve is safer then ever |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
213
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Posted - 2011.10.20 18:19:00 -
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Norrin Ellis wrote:You have just exposed the mentality of every whiner in this thread. You don't really want a real fight, that is, PvP. You want easy gratification, and you want to blame the victims, selected explicitly for the ease with which they can be killed, for not putting up a real fight.
This is the equivalent of bullying a 5-year-old and then complaining that the 5-year-old should've fought harder to keep his candy.
Real life allegories to a game = stupid.
Why was it that I was able to fight wars 3 months into the game, but apparently expecting the same from anyone else is the equivalent to theft from children?
The only excuse you have for being defenseless is you are terrible. If a bunch of new players want to form a corporation together with no backing, they will get **** on.
So, in the real world - I guess there are rules stopping the big kids (Walmart / whatever) from moving into an area and undercutting all the small independent stores?
Oh, wait.
Quit making excuses for being terrible and HTFU or just FO. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Norrin Ellis
Venture Racing
17
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Posted - 2011.10.20 18:41:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Norrin Ellis wrote:You have just exposed the mentality of every whiner in this thread. You don't really want a real fight, that is, PvP. You want easy gratification, and you want to blame the victims, selected explicitly for the ease with which they can be killed, for not putting up a real fight.
This is the equivalent of bullying a 5-year-old and then complaining that the 5-year-old should've fought harder to keep his candy.
Real life allegories to a game = stupid. Why was it that I was able to fight wars 3 months into the game, but apparently expecting the same from anyone else is the equivalent to theft from children? The only excuse you have for being defenseless is you are terrible. If a bunch of new players want to form a corporation together with no backing, they will get **** on. So, in the real world - I guess there are rules stopping the big kids (Walmart / whatever) from moving into an area and undercutting all the small independent stores? Oh, wait. Quit making excuses for being terrible and HTFU or just FO.
Hey, I can play this style of debate, too!
The only reason you have for disagreeing with me is that you are a colossal douchebag! Nothing you say has any validity because you are an ******* that doesn't choose to play the game, specialize in the same skills, or find enjoyment the same way that I do! "Sandbox" means "play like me," you stupid ******* troll!
Also, your mom is a prostitute. CEO, Venture Racing |
ShipToaster
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.10.21 09:25:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Kelduum Revaan wrote:ShipToaster wrote:Recent wardec discussion threads. Go troll them or better still make one of your own.... Some good ideas there, and I have another suggestion I hope to post later on this evening which should provide a couple of things not currently seen with the current mechanics - most notably the option for the defender to end the war in the event they can muster significant force. Please don't post your "capture the flag" idea. We don't need an artificial Warsong Gulch in this game.
Post it anyway as the posters in my wardec thread are getting boring with their same old tunes and I want to see what sort of direction a carebear lead CSM would take.
One of you get those stats up as I want to know if eve university is a carebear corp or a newb corp. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
214
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Posted - 2011.10.21 13:19:00 -
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Norrin Ellis wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Norrin Ellis wrote:You have just exposed the mentality of every whiner in this thread. You don't really want a real fight, that is, PvP. You want easy gratification, and you want to blame the victims, selected explicitly for the ease with which they can be killed, for not putting up a real fight.
This is the equivalent of bullying a 5-year-old and then complaining that the 5-year-old should've fought harder to keep his candy.
Real life allegories to a game = stupid. Why was it that I was able to fight wars 3 months into the game, but apparently expecting the same from anyone else is the equivalent to theft from children? The only excuse you have for being defenseless is you are terrible. If a bunch of new players want to form a corporation together with no backing, they will get **** on. So, in the real world - I guess there are rules stopping the big kids (Walmart / whatever) from moving into an area and undercutting all the small independent stores? Oh, wait. Quit making excuses for being terrible and HTFU or just FO. Hey, I can play this style of debate, too! The only reason you have for disagreeing with me is that you are a colossal douchebag! Nothing you say has any validity because you are an ******* that doesn't choose to play the game, specialize in the same skills, or find enjoyment the same way that I do! "Sandbox" means "play like me," you stupid ******* troll! Also, your mom is a prostitute.
It's a PVP game.
You're free to run about with your panties around your ankles or stare at rocks all day. Or do nothing but shoot red crosses. That's fine.
But if you have expectations that doing such, and such alone, will somehow assist you in the larger picture (that a truly open sandbox is always PVP) then you will always be choosing to play the victim. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
159
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Posted - 2011.10.21 23:05:00 -
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And yet I get a warning for joining a corp without docking.
Either not all the GMs are on the same page, or these arbitrary rules still exist and are just being selectively enforced.
GMs: please, PLEASE clarify what is and is not still considered an exploit.
CCP: Instead of smiting people for using "exploits" why don't you fix the problem?
edit:
Wardec fees should be refunded (prorated of course) when a wardec is invalidated for any reason other than a rules violation or failure to pay the bill. If I spend 200 million to wardec someone and they do some new corp-fu to drop the dec a day later, I should get most or all of that 200 million back.
Also, wardecs on corps should stay on the corp. If the corp joins an alliance, the alliance is involved in the war until the corp drops, at which point the alliance is out of the war but the corp is still a valid target. |
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