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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:36:00 -
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bbb2020 wrote:Personly I think CCP should put a max on the number of characters you should be allowed to multibox, course this is just insane. I have no problem with OP doing it, as he is just one man, but think of all the others that is doing it too. Maybe not with 100 characters but you only need 100 OPs with 50 characters and you will have an impact on ice prizes.
Also I don't think OP should have posted this in the forum. Think what will happen when chribba finds out he is not the king of mining anymore. I feel a "rage quit" comming up.
Great videos. looked awesome. Why would I quit? Ice isn't for me
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EdwardNardella
Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance
10
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:57:00 -
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What are you training on all these accounts? Also regarding ISboxer: They have great support, you should be able to chat on IRC directly with the developer and get your problem solved. AND you can use it to limit a clients FPS when you are not interacting with it instead of going into map view for performance reasons. I go to 15 FPS but 5 should do just as well. |
Fabio Bittar
Dark Circle Enforcement Templis Dragonaors
2
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:00:00 -
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Din Chao wrote:Gogela wrote:I can't believe this is allowed ..... Encouraged, even.
And slowly driving people away from the game. |
Eric Ryan
The Scope Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:14:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Eric Ryan wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote: Geez, in 45min this morning I had made 250mil already
Hate to burst your bubble but after he logs them he should be able to pull over 800 mil per hour. Everyday. All day. Good luck keeping pace with that with your 250 million. No he doesn't.
Whether he actually does I don't know but it is perfectly possible with the number of accounts he has and current ice prices. Do the math. Also he has been doing this for quite some time now and ice pretty much stays at same price so demand is still capable to eat it up. I wouldn't be surprised if he was sitting on more than trillion ISK. Maybe two. |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
2155
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:20:00 -
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Eric Ryan wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Eric Ryan wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote: Geez, in 45min this morning I had made 250mil already
Hate to burst your bubble but after he logs them he should be able to pull over 800 mil per hour. Everyday. All day. Good luck keeping pace with that with your 250 million. No he doesn't. Whether he actually does I don't know but it is perfectly possible with the number of accounts he has and current ice prices. Do the math. Also he has been doing this for quite some time now and ice pretty much stays at same price so demand is still capable to eat it up. I wouldn't be surprised if he was sitting on more than trillion ISK. Maybe two. No, ice does not stay the same price.
It has dropped considerably in price since the Exhumer and Barge "buffs."
You can view a price history on any market to see that I am correct.
That The Wis has been doing this since before the buffs does not change the fact that he is a major contributor to the devaluation of ice products as a whole.
In short, he is mining himself and all other ice miners (including those in the foreseeable future) into serious pay cuts.
Thanks for your reply. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Eric Ryan
The Scope Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:29:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote: No, ice does not stay the same price.
It has dropped considerably in price since the Exhumer and Barge "buffs."
You can view a price history on any market to see that I am correct.
That The Wis has been doing this since before the buffs does not change the fact that he is a major contributor to the devaluation of ice products as a whole.
In short, he is mining himself and all other ice miners (including those in the foreseeable future) into serious pay cuts.
Thanks for your reply.
Clear icicle..the one he mines is at 120k-130k mark for several weeks if not months now. Blue ice for example seems to have stabilized between 140k-150k after the drop from the last mini goon intredcition. Whether it's because he stopped selling most of the ice I don't know.
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
2156
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:38:00 -
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Eric Ryan wrote:Darth Gustav wrote: No, ice does not stay the same price.
It has dropped considerably in price since the Exhumer and Barge "buffs."
You can view a price history on any market to see that I am correct.
That The Wis has been doing this since before the buffs does not change the fact that he is a major contributor to the devaluation of ice products as a whole.
In short, he is mining himself and all other ice miners (including those in the foreseeable future) into serious pay cuts.
Thanks for your reply.
Clear icicle..the one he mines is at 120k-130k mark for several weeks if not months now. Blue ice for example seems to have stabilized between 140k-150k after the drop from the last mini goon intredcition. Whether it's because he stopped selling most of the ice I don't know. You seem to imply the Goon interdiction was good for business. Good on you.
That prices went up during that event should be an indicator to you that what I'm saying is absolutely true.
By creating a glut of ice supplies, The Wis hands out pay cuts to everybody who mines alongside him.
Only by limiting the intake of supply can CCP truly "buff mining" as a profession. The exhumer and barge buffs didn't accomplish that. What they did accomplish is making it easier for The Wis and miners aspiring to be just like him to devalue ice mining as an entire profession.
By the way, what were the prices of those ice products before the barge and exhumer buffs? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Eric Ryan
The Scope Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:54:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote: You seem to imply the Goon interdiction was good for business. Good on you.
That prices went up during that event should be an indicator to you that what I'm saying is absolutely true.
By creating a glut of ice supplies, The Wis hands out pay cuts to everybody who mines alongside him.
Only by limiting the intake of supply can CCP truly "buff mining" as a profession. The exhumer and barge buffs didn't accomplish that. What they did accomplish is making it easier for The Wis and miners aspiring to be just like him to devalue ice mining as an entire profession.
By the way, what were the prices of those ice products before the barge and exhumer buffs?
Of course goon intrediction especially the big one along with hulkageddon was best thing that could have happened to miners...happy times.
Quite frankly I don't really remember the price after the patch but I believe the last mini intrediction actually started after the buff so prices actually started to rise and reached about 200k per block with all types of ice. After the intrediction they took continuous fall and stabilized at about 140-150k per blue ice, 120-130k per clear icicle, 120-130k per white glaze and 120-130k per glacial mass. The last one seems to have started decent again and after hanging at the 120-130k mark for several weeks broken the 120k barrier and is probably on track to 100k territory.
As far as ice mining income goes the buff actually buffed it in a way since even though the prices fell rapidly you are now capable of mining significantly larger piles. You pretty much don't have to pay any attention and just keep it running all the time as long as you are at home. So even though the price is lower your net income grew.
Nevertheless I believe CCP is going to change the whole ice mining thing along with POS remap in the summer so this crazy multi-boxing thing will no longer be possible. Can't imagine soundwave is satisfied with the state of things right now... |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
2156
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:11:00 -
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Eric Ryan wrote:As far as ice mining income goes the buff actually buffed it in a way since even though the prices fell rapidly you are now capable of mining significantly larger piles. You pretty much don't have to pay any attention and just keep it running all the time as long as you are at home. So even though the price is lower your net income grew.
OK I want you to analyze what you wrote here. It may look fine at first glance, but you've commited a pretty grave logical fallacy.
You said that even though prices fell rapidly we are now capable of mining significantly larger piles. That's fine.
But you're stating this is true in spite of the drop in prices, not directly resulting in the drop in prices.
There is literally no way this can be true. Nobody got a pay raise. The job of mining ice may have gotten easier, barges and exhumers may (mostly) mine at a faster pace today than they did last year. But the supply glut that was created by reducing both the temporal barrier to acquisition and the manageability barrier to the acquisition of resources most assuredly is devaluing the profession of ice mining as a whole.
In October of 2012 blue ice sold for around 323k. In February of 2013 it is selling for about 149k. Unless you're claiming you can mine more than twice as muck ice per account, you are dead wrong about the barge and exhumer "buffs" being a "buff" to the ice mining profession. Clearly the value of typical ice products has been reduced by more than a factor of two.
With this in mind, I fail to see how playstyles such as The Wis' should be acceptable gameplay. That's because a solid case can be made for his behavior having a negative impact on people who haven't even started playing Eve yet.
That's a kind of griefing that's insidious precisely because it appears so innocent and innocuous.
Edit: Source: http://www.eve-markets.net/detail.php?typeid=16264#history He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Eric Ryan
The Scope Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:25:00 -
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Yes the pay per hour of ice mining dropped so in that regard you are being payed less but my point is you are capable of mining for longer time as in you as human player. You can mine for 12 hours on weekdays. Easy. No problem. With old mechanics this was extremly tedious and demanding on you as human being.
So yeah the prices dropped also the amount of ice mined per hour dropped but changes to barges allowed you as human to do the activity for longer times hence recouping the loss inflicted on you through drop in price and amount mined. You can drop macks in the field and go to shop, walk a dog, watch episode of a tv show...you get the point. You don't need to sit at the comupter for 12 hours to mine for 12 hours. You just need 24 breaks of about 3 minutes for the entire day to reset the thing.
Ps: Thank you for discussion. I'm on my way to bed now.
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Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
29
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:26:00 -
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Your videos are awesome.
But ignoring all the trolls/goons/miners etc etc etc.... maybe if you didn't **** 20k away on Eve a year you could afford to go to FanFest ????
Wouldn't you love to be in that room, where The Wis gets introduced to The Mittani ? I've done some really stupid **** in this game. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2859
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:26:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:In short, he is mining himself and all other ice miners (including those in the foreseeable future) into serious pay cuts. He is not mining himself pay cuts if he is still continuing to make additional total isk per account he adds. The isk per account ratio might drop, but Wis is still making more isk with 100 accounts then he is with 90. Only the solo miners and casuals suffer devaluation, as is the case with most forms of anti-PVP mechanics claimed to 'benefit' them. |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
2156
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:32:00 -
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Eric Ryan wrote:Yes the pay per hour of ice mining dropped so in that regard you are being payed less but my point is you are capable of mining for longer time as in you as human player. You can mine for 12 hours on weekdays. Easy. No problem. With old mechanics this was extremly tedious and demanding on you as human being.
So yeah the prices dropped also the amount of ice mined per hour dropped but changes to barges allowed you as human to do the activity for longer times hence recouping the loss inflicted on you through drop in price and amount mined. You can drop macks in the field and go to shop, walk a dog, watch episode of a tv show...you get the point. You don't need to sit at the comupter for 12 hours to mine for 12 hours. You just need 24 breaks of about 3 minutes for the entire day to reset the thing.
Ps: Thank you for discussion. I'm on my way to bed now.
fly safe Have a good night's sleep.
But...
...if prices dropped and you have to spend more time mining does it really matter if it's any easier? Anybody can do it now, which means more people will do it. Actually, with this forum thread in prominent view, probably a lot more players will try multiboxing ice. You make such a good case for how easy it is, after all.
What happens when blue ice sells for 74k per unit? 33k?
People keep on signing up to try Eve. Of those, we can statistially say some want to try mining. We can further say that some of them will be referred to the methodology being popularized in this very thread. That's statistics for you.
Those people will mine for twelve hours a day, too. They'll sell to the buy orders, too. Why shouldn't they? As you've so plainly elucidated, mining is easy and requires no real attention. Not only that but with all the recent changes to Eve, it's safer than ever to do so!
Which, at the end of the day, means even lower sale prices in the long-run. Unless people like The Wis wise-up and curtail their mining efforts, that is. Or unless CCP realize the folly of their ways and revert (or in some other way manage to fully undo) the barge and exhumer changes.
Either works. One is far less likely than the other, though. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
2157
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:41:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:In short, he is mining himself and all other ice miners (including those in the foreseeable future) into serious pay cuts. He is not mining himself pay cuts if he is still continuing to make additional total isk per account he adds. The isk per account ratio might drop, but Wis is still making more isk with 100 accounts then he is with 90. Only the solo miners and casuals suffer devaluation, as is the case with most forms of anti-PVP mechanics claimed to 'benefit' them. I've seen his operation in-person. Many of his accounts remain docked in the station in the system where he mines. Rare is the occurrence of stumbling across The Wis using all of his accounts actively. So that deficit you mentioned in the ISK per account ratio actually hits him more than you may think.
That said, the truth is he feels the devaluation more than the solo or casual guy.
That's entirely because he's multiplying the devaluation by some number less than one hundred and then using the reduced proceeds to try to keep all one hundred accounts subbed.
The Wis is most certainly mining enough to even hurt The Wis. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
The Wis
Fise Corp War and Pestilence
122
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Posted - 2013.02.04 22:43:00 -
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No Alibi wrote:I remember when you wrote you name in an Ice belt not that long ago....HAHA!
Yea.. That was in Dantan and I did not write that.. Someone else did.. He tried to do it before I logged on to get a laugh.. I logged on when he was working on the S
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2866
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Posted - 2013.02.04 22:46:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote: I've seen his operation in-person. Many of his accounts remain docked in the station in the system where he mines. Rare is the occurrence of stumbling across The Wis using all of his accounts actively. So that deficit you mentioned in the ISK per account ratio actually hits him more than you may think.
The truth is he feels the devaluation even more than the solo or casual guy.
That's entirely because he's multiplying the devaluation by some number less than one hundred and then using the reduced proceeds to try to keep all one hundred accounts subbed.
The Wis is most certainly mining enough to even hurt The Wis.
This explanation doesn't add up - even if Wis did push down the collective ice economy significantly, he could just not sell every chunk of ice he mines right way and continue using all of his mining accounts while stockpiling |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2866
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Posted - 2013.02.04 22:51:00 -
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wrong thread |
The Wis
Fise Corp War and Pestilence
122
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Posted - 2013.02.04 22:56:00 -
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Ave Kathrina wrote:Your videos are awesome.
But ignoring all the trolls/goons/miners etc etc etc.... maybe if you didn't **** 20k away on Eve a year you could afford to go to FanFest ????
Wouldn't you love to be in that room, where The Wis gets introduced to The Mittani ?
I would love to have 20k to thow away. Shoot I would love to have $30 a month to thow away. If it was not for plex's I would not be able to keep playing eve.
Also with the number of haters out there towards me I would not go to fanfest.
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
2160
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Posted - 2013.02.04 22:56:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Darth Gustav wrote: I've seen his operation in-person. Many of his accounts remain docked in the station in the system where he mines. Rare is the occurrence of stumbling across The Wis using all of his accounts actively. So that deficit you mentioned in the ISK per account ratio actually hits him more than you may think.
The truth is he feels the devaluation even more than the solo or casual guy.
That's entirely because he's multiplying the devaluation by some number less than one hundred and then using the reduced proceeds to try to keep all one hundred accounts subbed.
The Wis is most certainly mining enough to even hurt The Wis.
This explanation doesn't add up - even if Wis did push down the collective ice economy significantly, he could just not sell every chunk of ice he mines right way and continue using all of his mining accounts while stockpiling No matter how you look at it, two things are true:
1) The product of any positive integer and 100 is exactly 100x greater than the product of that integer and one. That means The Wis feels the pain of devaluation 100x more than the little guy.
2) The Wis does not typically mine with all 100 accounts concurrently.
That means he feels the pinch of the ice product price drop even more when he tries to sub all of his 100 accounts using less than 100 accounts to earn that ISK with.
This seems pretty self-explanatory to me. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
The Wis
Fise Corp War and Pestilence
122
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Posted - 2013.02.04 23:04:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Darth Gustav wrote: I've seen his operation in-person. Many of his accounts remain docked in the station in the system where he mines. Rare is the occurrence of stumbling across The Wis using all of his accounts actively. So that deficit you mentioned in the ISK per account ratio actually hits him more than you may think.
The truth is he feels the devaluation even more than the solo or casual guy.
That's entirely because he's multiplying the devaluation by some number less than one hundred and then using the reduced proceeds to try to keep all one hundred accounts subbed.
The Wis is most certainly mining enough to even hurt The Wis.
This explanation doesn't add up - even if Wis did push down the collective ice economy significantly, he could just not sell every chunk of ice he mines right way and continue using all of his mining accounts while stockpiling No matter how you look at it, two things are true: 1) The product of any positive integer and 100 is greater than the product of that integer and one. That means The Wis feels the pain of devaluation 100x more than the little guy. 2) The Wis does not typically mine with all 100 accounts concurrently. That means he feels the pinch of the ice product price drop even more when he tries to sub all of his 100 accounts using less than 100 accounts to earn that ISK with. This seems pretty self-explanatory to me.
Well I have a total of 145 accounts. 102 of them are mining and then I have eyes to watch other systems and other accounts I use for PVE PVP etc. Most of the time 95% of the guys mining are out in the belt. the other 5% are docking up and unloading..
True I can do more but using Frieghters to haul ice back to station but that would mean I need to cluster my guys together and jetcan and that would make for an easy gank so not wise.
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RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2577
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Posted - 2013.02.04 23:09:00 -
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The Wis wrote:True I can do more but using Frieghters to haul ice back to station but that would mean I need to cluster my guys together and jetcan and that would make for an easy gank so not wise.
You could jetcan, use an Orca to tractor the cans to the Freighter and work it that way. Kind of the way Saudi Arabia runs offshore loading platforms for Oil tankers. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
The Wis
Fise Corp War and Pestilence
122
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Posted - 2013.02.04 23:09:00 -
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Also wanted to add since I have been doing this I have had a lot of people ask me questions and I know of 5 different people that are now up to 40 accounts each and growing.
Now it goes without saying that some of these guys are also training skills on these toon to sale for isks later.
I do not really see CCP ever saying we need to put a cap on this. I mean each extra accounts comes to about $15 more a month for CCP. What company will really say we are making too much money we need to stop this?
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The Wis
Fise Corp War and Pestilence
122
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Posted - 2013.02.04 23:12:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:The Wis wrote:True I can do more but using Frieghters to haul ice back to station but that would mean I need to cluster my guys together and jetcan and that would make for an easy gank so not wise.
You could jetcan, use an Orca to tractor the cans to the Freighter and work it that way. Kind of the way Saudi Arabia runs offshore loading platforms for Oil tankers.
Oh I know that.. But it is easier to cluster them and jet can. I fill up to Obelisks every 20 to 25 min and talking about 100 cans. That would be a whole lot to tractor.
If I do the tractor I would use a noctice to pull the cans to a frigher. But you wind up spending more time tractoring then anything else. |
Brandon Syne
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2013.02.04 23:12:00 -
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The Wis wrote: True I can do more but using Frieghters to haul ice back to station but that would mean I need to cluster my guys together and jetcan and that would make for an easy gank so not wise.
You can anchor a box of GSCs around where your miners will be and this will make you impervious to smartbombs (they can't be activated near anchored GSC) |
youaredumb
Never Ignorant Gettin' Goals Accomplished
5
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Posted - 2013.02.05 00:04:00 -
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On grid safes, orbiting an anchor, active boosts, cycling your guys out. All smart things. You've been caught several times, you'll get caught again. No amount of scouts will prevent ganks, but you do a good job. Smartbombing is difficult with the way you run things, sologanking isn't as difficult.
You factor losses in to your business model because you are an active target for people wanting a challenge. I would love for you to go over that in this thread to provide other multiboxers advice. You give hope to a lot of miners, so it would be nice to see you actually help them out by showing them how to accept losses and still make a profit. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2872
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Posted - 2013.02.05 00:32:00 -
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lol @ guys giving Wis multibox advice |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
2162
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Posted - 2013.02.05 02:28:00 -
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The Wis wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Darth Gustav wrote: I've seen his operation in-person. Many of his accounts remain docked in the station in the system where he mines. Rare is the occurrence of stumbling across The Wis using all of his accounts actively. So that deficit you mentioned in the ISK per account ratio actually hits him more than you may think.
The truth is he feels the devaluation even more than the solo or casual guy.
That's entirely because he's multiplying the devaluation by some number less than one hundred and then using the reduced proceeds to try to keep all one hundred accounts subbed.
The Wis is most certainly mining enough to even hurt The Wis.
This explanation doesn't add up - even if Wis did push down the collective ice economy significantly, he could just not sell every chunk of ice he mines right way and continue using all of his mining accounts while stockpiling No matter how you look at it, two things are true: 1) The product of any positive integer and 100 is greater than the product of that integer and one. That means The Wis feels the pain of devaluation 100x more than the little guy. 2) The Wis does not typically mine with all 100 accounts concurrently. That means he feels the pinch of the ice product price drop even more when he tries to sub all of his 100 accounts using less than 100 accounts to earn that ISK with. This seems pretty self-explanatory to me. Well I have a total of 145 accounts. 102 of them are mining and then I have eyes to watch other systems and other accounts I use for PVE PVP etc. Most of the time 95% of the guys mining are out in the belt. the other 5% are docking up and unloading.. True I can do more but using Frieghters to haul ice back to station but that would mean I need to cluster my guys together and jetcan and that would make for an easy gank so not wise. Strange. Any time me or my corporation come to the system where you mine, it seems to be more like 60-70 of your accounts docked with none in the belts. This persists at least as long as we are there.
I cannot presume that we are alone in causing this behavior.
I know for a fact you have to make due with less than 100 accounts mining full-time. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
The Wis
Fise Corp War and Pestilence
124
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Posted - 2013.02.05 02:31:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Strange. Any time me or my corporation come to the system where you mine, it seems to be more like 60-70 of your accounts docked with none in the belts. This persists at least as long as we are there.
I cannot presume that we are alone in causing this behavior.
I know for a fact you have to make due with less than 100 accounts mining full-time.
Yea.. Ok. yea.. you got me there is no one anyone can ever mine with more then 10 to 20 guys.. Just can not be done. I might sujest getting your eyes checked maybe. Just kidding.
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
2162
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Posted - 2013.02.05 02:38:00 -
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The Wis wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Strange. Any time me or my corporation come to the system where you mine, it seems to be more like 60-70 of your accounts docked with none in the belts. This persists at least as long as we are there.
I cannot presume that we are alone in causing this behavior.
I know for a fact you have to make due with less than 100 accounts mining full-time. Yea.. Ok. yea.. you got me there is no one anyone can ever mine with more then 10 to 20 guys.. Just can not be done. I might sujest getting your eyes checked maybe. Just kidding. I'm sure you don't understand now, so I'll apologize and then explain.
I am sorry for not being straightforward.
My corporation has smartbombed you with success in the past. When we enter Agal now, you dock up. All of your accounts. They stay that way until we leave. In your absence, we settle for ganking less savvy miners and moving on. However, you are definitely in-station with 60-70 of your Mackinaw pilots (and undoubtedly at least one mining capital) during our ganks.
I assume other corporations have also successfully ganked you. For this reason, I also assume you dock up if and when they enter Agal, as well. I assume this because the game supports a personal and corporate standings setting for individuals as well as corporations. I'm fairly certain, good sir, that we are red.
So what I'm saying is that you dock up to stay safe, which is smart. But it still means you're docked with a bunch of accounts. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
The Wis
Fise Corp War and Pestilence
126
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Posted - 2013.02.05 02:44:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:The Wis wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Strange. Any time me or my corporation come to the system where you mine, it seems to be more like 60-70 of your accounts docked with none in the belts. This persists at least as long as we are there.
I cannot presume that we are alone in causing this behavior.
I know for a fact you have to make due with less than 100 accounts mining full-time. Yea.. Ok. yea.. you got me there is no one anyone can ever mine with more then 10 to 20 guys.. Just can not be done. I might sujest getting your eyes checked maybe. Just kidding. I'm sure you don't understand now, so I'll apologize and then explain. I am sorry for not being straightforward. My corporation has smartbombed you with success in the past. When we enter Agal now, you dock up. All of your accounts. They stay that way until we leave. In your absence, we settle for ganking less savvy miners and moving on. However, you are definitely in-station with 60-70 of your Mackinaw pilots (and undoubtedly at least one mining capital) during our ganks. I assume other corporations have also successfully ganked you. For this reason, I also assume you dock up if and when they enter Agal, as well. I assume this because the game supports a personal and corporate standings setting for individuals as well as corporations. I'm fairly certain, good sir, that we are red. So what I'm saying is that you dock up to stay safe, which is smart. But it still means you're docked with a bunch of accounts.
Ok.. Yea I understand.. Good troll..
But FYI you are not set red to me. |
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