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Dareum Maklor
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Posted - 2005.07.14 10:42:00 -
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Here's a quick estimate I put together. See what you guys think. A little feedback would be cool, for improvments and such.
Base prices of trade goods:
ò Enriched Uranium $5000 ò Oxygen $95 ò Mechanical Parts $600 ò Coolant $1000 ò Robotics $6500
Small Control Tower: Daily Requirements
òEnriched Uranium 24 Units Per Day òOxygen 150 Units Per Day òMechanical Parts 30 Units Per day òCoolant 48 Units Per Day òRobotics 6 Per Day
Ice Products, Can only be retrieved from Ice Mining.
ò (Race Related) Isotopes 3000 Per Day òLiquid Ozone 900 Per Day òHeavy Water 900 Per Day òStrontuim Clathrate 1200 Per Day
Assuming you can mine and refine all the ice products, It would cost according to base price per day to a run a small POS: $239,250
Medium Tower: Daily Requirements
òEnriched Uranium 48 Units Per Day òOxygen 300 Units Per Day òMechanical Parts 60 Units Per day òCoolant 96 Units Per Day òRobotics 12 Per Day
Ice Products, Can only be retrieved from Ice Mining.
ò(Race Related) Isotopes 6000 Per Day òLiquid Ozone 1800 Per Day òHeavy Water 1800 Per Day òStrontuim Clathrate 2400 Per Day
Assuming you can mine and refine all the ice products, It would cost according to base price per day to a run a medium POS: $478,500
Normal Control Tower: Daily Requirements
òEnriched Uranium 96 Units Per Day òOxygen 600 Units Per Day òMechanical Parts 120 Units Per day òCoolant 192 Units Per Day òRobotics 24 Per Day
Ice Products, Can only be retrieved from Ice Mining.
ò(Race Related) Isotopes 12000 Per Day òLiquid Ozone 3600 Per Day òHeavy Water 3600 Per Day òStrontuim Clathrate 4800 Per Day
Assuming you can mine and refine all the ice products, It would cost according to base price per day to a run a normal POS: $957,000
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Zarabelle
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Posted - 2005.07.14 11:59:00 -
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Good work, just what I have been looking for. There is a lot of good stuff written about POS but surprisingly nowhere really shows the very basic costs involved in a nice simple format.
Could maybe expand on the ice mining? For example, I'd be interested to see, at a glance, how long it takes to mine the ice reqs for each pos assuming best possible skill level and setup.
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UglyBugly
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Posted - 2005.07.14 12:05:00 -
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To just assume that ice mining is done by the owner leaves the job half done.
Isotopes and icematerials in general have a value too. How you obtain it is completely irrelevant.
You could have sold it instead - so the use of it for fuel has the equivalent cost.
But fine initiative. There are excellent spreadsheets out there (look in the sticky with Useful Links) that will tell you this too, though - and they will calculate icemining time and price as well.
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UglyBugly
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Posted - 2005.07.14 12:06:00 -
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To just assume that ice mining is done by the owner leaves the job half done.
Isotopes and icematerials in general have a value too. How you obtain it is completely irrelevant.
You could have sold it instead - so the use of it for fuel has the equivalent cost.
But fine initiative. There are excellent spreadsheets out there (look in the sticky with Useful Links) that will tell you this too, though - and they will calculate icemining time and price as well.
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Apoll
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Posted - 2005.07.14 12:20:00 -
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aprox 3 working hours ice mining for large tower. If you have few people help you you lower that time. (3 people = 1 hour each).
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Strey Renim
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Posted - 2005.07.14 13:36:00 -
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Thanks for the good info and layout!
P.S. Did you use $ on purpose?
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Dareum Maklor
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Posted - 2005.07.14 15:26:00 -
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No didn't use $ on prupose just felt that ú was even less appropriate to use. On the ice mining front, if you can't mine ice wtf are you doing with POS in all honesty? I'm not to experienced with Ice Mining as I havent done it myself, so my knowledge in that area is rather patchy thats why. And I assumed anyone with a POS would have some team of miners able to mine ice... ____________________________ "Good cannot exist without Evil."
You don't like what I've got to say? Then your ignorant. Ironic isn't it? |
Dareum Maklor
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Posted - 2005.07.14 15:33:00 -
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On the other hand, *Light's a cigar* I would like to expand. ____________________________ "Good cannot exist without Evil."
You don't like what I've got to say? Then your ignorant. Ironic isn't it? |
Dloan
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Posted - 2005.07.14 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dareum Maklor On the ice mining front, if you can't mine ice wtf are you doing with POS in all honesty? I'm not to experienced with Ice Mining as I havent done it myself
Maybe you should be asking yourself that question then :P. If you don't want to factor in the actual value of the ice products themselves, then perhaps you should factor in the time spent aquiring them. Time is money and is often better spent doing something else.
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Dareum Maklor
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Posted - 2005.07.14 17:08:00 -
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Dloan I think you will find that I simply did the math for people. You don't need to be able to mine ice to do math or write about station statistics.
If you can't put time into your POS don't get one. ____________________________ "Good cannot exist without Evil."
You don't like what I've got to say? Then your ignorant. Ironic isn't it? |
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Alain Josviar
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Posted - 2005.07.14 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dareum Maklor No didn't use $ on prupose just felt that ú was even less appropriate to use. On the ice mining front, if you can't mine ice wtf are you doing with POS in all honesty? I'm not to experienced with Ice Mining as I havent done it myself, so my knowledge in that area is rather patchy thats why. And I assumed anyone with a POS would have some team of miners able to mine ice...
Why a POS operator wouldn't mine their ice is the same reason a module/ship manufacturer wouldn't mine their ore. T I M E. For a lone operator or small corp, POS' require a lot of time hauling/mining ice if they're going to do it all themselves to the point that's all they'd be doing each day. Most people have lives outside of video gaming and would like to to other things than maintain a POS with thier gaming time. I think most POS operators would/do buy thier ice whenever its available on the market. Less time working and more time enjoying the fruits.
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Cannedbeef
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Posted - 2005.07.14 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Apoll aprox 3 working hours ice mining for large tower. If you have few people help you you lower that time. (3 people = 1 hour each).
you wish :)
75,600 isotopes required per week. with perfect refine thats over 250 ice cubes, a Covetor gets 24 ice cubes per hour.
24 x 3 != 250+
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.07.14 19:58:00 -
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POS towers round hourly. So you'll always use 1 robotics per hour on every tower.
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Trak Cranker
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Posted - 2005.07.14 20:42:00 -
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Isotopes are worth the same whether one mines it by one self or with help - or buys it on the market.
If you can maintain a better isk per hour doing something else than ice mining, then you are pretty daft if you are not doing that instead of mining ice.
If you can't make that calculation _THEN_ you shouldn't start on a POS. What time you are prepared to put into it is irellevant as long as it is sufficient to run the POS. No need to put more stress into it by mining ice, if you have a quicker way around that problem.
And my spreadsheet says >25 hours of ice mining for a large tower.
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Apoll
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Posted - 2005.07.15 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Cannedbeef
you wish :) 75,600 isotopes required per week. with perfect refine thats over 250 ice cubes, a Covetor gets 24 ice cubes per hour. 24 x 3 != 250+
You need 84k per week isotopes on Caldari Tower (12k per day).
300 isotopes per ice 3 ore per 8m on ice harv 4. 23 ice per hour. 3 hours mining = 69 ice. 69*300 = 20700 isot. exept my calculator is wrong.
In 3 hours mining you have 20700 isotopes with covertor and less with retriever which most people use. (3 hours solo mining with retriver is 1 large POS fuels). Daily requirement is 12k.
If you read CAREFULY the guy at the top is calculating PER DAY needs not weekly.
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saaraa
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Posted - 2005.07.15 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: saaraa on 15/07/2005 11:17:48 Edited by: saaraa on 15/07/2005 11:16:21 fuels needprice pr unit ENRICHED URANIUM -- 972 -- 4700 -- 4.568.400 OXYGEN -- 4200 -- 81-- 340.200 MECHANICAL PART -- 840 --565 -- 474.600 COOLANT -- 1344 -- 850 -- 1.142.400 ROBOTICS -- 168 --4000 -- 672.000 ISOTOPES -- 84000 --700 --58.800.000 LIQUID OZONE -- 25000 -- 600 -- 15.000.000 HEAVY WATER -- 25000 -- 300-- 7.500.000
TOTAL 88.497.600
small 1/4 and med 1/2 but u always need 168 robotics LO and HW is related to power and CPU usage ( in my case full cpu and 1/2 power atm)
and 280 ice cubes r needed for a weeks isotope usage wich is 12 hours (aprox) mining in large barge with full skills 280*300=84000. cyckle is 3 so its 94 cykles and 94*7,5= 705 minutes
u would need to mine special ice to get Hevy water and Liquid ozon for full running
Regards and fly safe saaraa
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Barbicane
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Posted - 2005.07.16 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dareum Maklor ... •Strontuim Clathrate 1200 Per Day
No, no, no! Strontium doesn't get consumed per day. It's only used if the tower is attacked and has to go into reinforced defense mode. Normally, you can stick a few thousand units in there and it will last forever. |
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