I'd prefer the option to just reprocess them, and receive minerals proportional to their damage. (50% damage = 50% of the minerals for example).

Some method to "reprocess" a number of damaged crystals and get the equivalent out of the undamaged amount as undamaged crystals would be a good way to do it IMO.

I am talking about T2 and Faction crystals, you need to understand the relevance of that fact and the exploits that surround the manufacturing of these items.

I'll try to explain - A T1 Multifrequency S crystal is worth around 4K Isk and reprocesses into minerals worth a similar amount. An Imperial Navy Multifrequency S crystal sells for around 400K Isk, but it shares the same mass as the T1 crystal. It CANNOT reprocess into minerals worth around 400K Isk even if undamaged. It has to reprocess into a similar quantity of minerals as the T1 item, otherwise the null sec overloads would exploit the system to move huge quantities of minerals back and forth to high sec using covop frigates rather than jump freighters.

Thus - IT IS NOT ECONOMICAL (And shouldn't be) TO REPROCESS T2/FACTION. Whether crystal or another item.

Please stop posting solutions that ignore that fact.

Please try to comprehend the problem before posting. You can reprocess them already, but like all T2 and Faction items the amount of minerals recovered is trivial compared to the value of the item. This is working as intended. Reducing the return when damaged is just going to make the problem worse. The problem is that unlike other T2 and Faction items, there is no practical route to market for damaged crystals and they are too valuable to (effectively) throw away. Thus they are just horded for the day they might be useful.

The value of the item is set by the dynamic market in EVE. Welcome to the world of Tech2. This issue (notice I didn't say 'problem') has been around since the first Tech2 items were introduced.

Thank you.

Sorry using reprocessing was misleading there.

I was saying yes it would make sense for there to be some kind of way to reprocess a bunch of damaged crystals to produce a lesser number of undamaged ones equal to the undamaged amount - not reprocessing them to produce minerals.

Yes this seems like it would be a good way. Basically like if you had 2 50% damaged crystals you could "reprocess" them into 1 100% crystal. Maybe there would be some loss due to inefficiency. But the bottom line is you could combine some amount of damaged crystals to get an undamaged one.

Since when can you combine 2 x 0.5 carat diamonds to get a 1 carat diamond. Why not just make them a 'repairable' item??

Yes, I'm quite happy with that, that isn't the 'issue' I'm complaining about. The 'problem' is the unwieldly inventory once you have collected a load of them, to the extreme that the game errors with inventory full messages. Coupled with the inability to put a serviceable, valuable item on the market.

The problem (not issue) of your "unwieldy inventory" is a direct result of you failing to reprocess (or trash, although I don't recommend this) the crystals. Not DIRECTLY from them being damaged and unstackable.

I also disagree that putting broken items on the market is a serviceable or valuable item.

I would not like it if I was buying broken crystals. Nor do I want to have to sift through and either show info or hover over each and every single item in the market to see if it is damaged or not, and then figure out how much damage it had. Imagine the server load for THAT! No. Seriously. I want you to think about the server load that it would cause to allow this. I'll bet this is the EXACT reason why BPCs are not allowed on the market.

Make a contract for them. And make sure you put in an appropriate description, and gauge how well those items sell. Post your truthful data in this forum. And if it is a favorable outcome, then you'll have something to go to the board with your idea.

But, wouldn't it just be easier to reprocess them? Yes. Yes it would.

Um? You sound mad bro? But you don't seem to have thought through what you are arguing against - you have just agreed with me. Yes! Unmanageable, hence the simplified solution I have posted. Please +1 the OP if you agree.

Easier? Yes and absolutely moronic at the same time. Who in their right mind is going to reprocess a 1% damaged Dark Blood crystal worth millions into minerals worth a couple of thousand?

A related minor problem is that when you do finally fit up your new laser boat, you can't fit damaged crystals to a grouped set of guns. You have to either undock with a loaded set of ungrouped guns, or a grouped set of unloaded guns and finish the job in space.

Every base that I've set up in a PvP environment (Null, Low, RvB-High), in short order ends up with a shed load of slightly damaged T2 and Faction laser crystals that I've looted from various wreaks. The problem is that once damaged they cannot be repackaged and thus cannot be stacked. Eventually my inventory window starts complaining that it has too many stacks.....

The problem is even worse than I first thought. I've since discovered that they don't even need to be damaged. Once unpackaged there is no going back.

I discovered this after fitting up a new ship in a market hub. I've got hundreds of slightly damaged crystals in my home system, but I'd podded to the market hub to pick up the new ship and didn't want to fly back through low sec with no ammunition. Figured - buy new crystals, load them and if I don't fire them on the way home, I can reload with damaged crystals, repackage and sell the new ones. But no chance, they simply can't be repackaged, even if you only fit them briefly in station just to see the dps figures.

its ammo dude, use them, and when you;re done with them, trash them. You can't expect to be able to repair your ammo and sell it after use.

They can't make it so crystals can be repaired, as it means aslong as there is a repair station, you have a never ending supply of virtually free ammo.

Welcome to economics.


An item is only worth what you can get for it.

Just because a T2 packaged crystal is worth X does not mean a T2 unpackaged crystal is worth the same. It is worth what you can get for it, which is apparently it's mineral value.

To claim that a damaged crystal is worth millions is false. It's worth what you can sell it for. If you can't sell it on contracts, then use it or reprocess it and get the mineral value.

If you wanted to include a skill use something like the following (you can use this in Excel):

# of crystals = rounddown((sum of crystal damage/(2-.2*skill level),0)

If you had no skill then skill level = 0. In the case of skill level 1 even with two 0.99 damaged crystals you'd get 1. But suppose you had 15 crystals with 0.99 damage at level1 you'd only get back 8 crystals. At level 5 you'd get back 14.

While it's a fine formula, please no more skills for very limited purposes. We already have Armor Resistance Phasing and the like.