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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2005.07.14 13:52:00 -
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Anyone guess roughtly what dreads will retail for, making the I suppose grand assumption that ppl will produce them for sale.
I've heard a price of 1.1 bil quoted but I assume that was a total ignoramus, as for 1.1 bil there'd be 100s of dreads in the game in no time :/
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Karl Borhman
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Posted - 2005.07.14 14:53:00 -
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Considering the 14 BPO's needed to construct one are about 18 billion alone, I'd be shocked to see them anywhere under 8-10 billion - otherwise you'll be leaving a lot of isk on the table. Plus, you now need to worry about who that person with the dred could be shooting at - might even end up being you!!!
FYI, I have no idea on the actual mineral cost for all these BPO's yet, but consider that each BPO component usually takes about the same amount of minerals that you'd find in an average cruiser. It's going to be a buttload.
But this is EVE, and I'm sure someone somewhere will be dumb enough to sell one of these for 2 billion.
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THCS
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Posted - 2005.07.14 15:02:00 -
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they require the minerals to build probably about 300 cruisers to build one dread. nuff said and the time it takes also, Count on the 5 billion + price range.
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SageOfMystery
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Posted - 2005.07.14 17:41:00 -
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bobby: tbh i cant even see these things really having a retail market, as they take a long time to biuld the Demand is going to be High,plus if people end up selling them I can bet that there freinds or allies will have first picks, so for the next 6+ months its going to be who has them or who knows some onw who has one ect...
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Dzikus
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Posted - 2005.07.14 17:46:00 -
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Actual mineral price (with minerals cost of: 3,7,17,130,350,3900,4200) is around 1.700.000.000 (1.700 mil ISK). I think at first IF they will be sold by anyone, it will be sold on auctions - and then we will see how badly alliances need dreadnoughts. Try to estimate price now.
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Na'Axin
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Posted - 2005.07.14 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Borhman Considering the 14 BPO's needed to construct one are about 18 billion alone, I'd be shocked to see them anywhere under 8-10 billion - otherwise you'll be leaving a lot of isk on the table. Plus, you now need to worry about who that person with the dred could be shooting at - might even end up being you!!!
there is no BPO in EVE that you can buy and make profit out of by running just 2 production runs..... yes perhaps the first 2 or 3 might go for extremely high prices, but for the rest they are still tech I ships, and the fact that all the components are sold and produced by a whole lot of individual producers means there is a lot of competition, so also reasonable prices. I think that if you play it smart atm and have all the components build by individual producers (which seem so to be willing to produce the components at a secure location of your choice) you'll be able to build a dreadnaught at a 50% markup value or less... but you gotta play it smart and not go for "THE FIRST DREADNAUGHT BUILD EVER!!!!oneeleven!" auctions.
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Karl Borhman
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Posted - 2005.07.14 19:51:00 -
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Ok, so now why is any component producer going to cut their throat on the cost to build the individual modules so they can sell to an overall assembler who is just going to raise the price of them anyway?
50% over cost. No way. Not anytime soon. Considering the relative amount of time involved to get one of these babies out the door anyone selling their intermediate modules to an overall assembler for less than 100% profit is a fool.
The fact that this is going to be a rare ship to encounter means intermediate producers stand to loose the most isk in the building process if they price their components too low. There simply won't be the numbers of orders for components of these things as with freighters which require far less components to get building.
So I caution any of you going into this business to not price yourselves too low, because you will only be helping the final seller's profit margin.
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Ardor
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Posted - 2005.07.14 22:48:00 -
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Mineral requirements are high. Value of the minerals is around 1.6 billion.
Price for required BPOs is 17 billion.
Production time for a dreadnought is 2 weeks.
Assuming you want a return of your BPO investment within 12 months and assuming you produce and sell Dreadnoughts nonstop you have to add 17b/27ships = 630m on top of the mineral price.
1.6 b + 0.6 b = 2.2 billions. This would be the price for a Dreadnought if the producer(s) only try to get back their investment within 1 year but not try to make profit. This calculation excludes hauling costs.
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Callan Skiderlar
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Posted - 2005.07.14 22:55:00 -
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The logistical nightmare of bringing together all the minerals, and the sheer volume required, precludes aggressive pricing. By quoting a fixed price, you are asking either the shipbuilder or the component builder(s) to take on price risk for all of the minerals needed. That is a big risk, as dread/freighter production is putting huge demand on the mineral markets when everyone is off humping the leg of their agent. So producers will have to build in a premium to cover the upper bound price of what they might have to pay for the mins.
There is also the not insignificant issue of cash flow - For at least two weeks, I as a ship producer will have over 2B locked up in dread production. This means that only the most wealthy producers will be able to stomach that lack of liquidity and take the risk of waiting for it to go to the open market and not lining up a buyer in advance.
The raw cost of 1.6B is deceiving, as min prices will most certainly be skyrocketing, component builders need their margins to pay off their very expensive BPOs, and shipbuilders need their return on a product that generates at most two items per month. I agree that if someone is foolish enough to sell one for 2-3B, buyers should snatch that up. --
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dethanor
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Posted - 2005.07.15 02:25:00 -
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good thread......
im glad dreadnoughts are not available to the masses.
i do not think i will fly one, or ever fly one!
they are an expensive toy in my eyes with only 1 use,,,,,,
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BOBHOPE
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Posted - 2005.07.15 02:28:00 -
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hmm.....
i am 25 days from flying one.....
am i wasting my time?
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dethanor
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Posted - 2005.07.15 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: BOBHOPE hmm.....
i am 25 days from flying one.....
am i wasting my time?
stick to what your good at man.......
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.07.15 09:09:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Aradon on 15/07/2005 09:11:55 IMHO, due to the time, ISK and min requirements of one of these behemoths, corps/alliances will most likely build them for in-house use.
For those that produce i forsee the odd dread making an appearance on the WTS boards, and most defo on escrow.
For those that do end up on the market costs will most likely range between 6 and 10 billion.
Actually seeing one of these beasts in the air will prolly be an even rarer occurance due to it inevitably becoming every man and his dogs target practise. I wouldnt want to be the guy piloting the first of them, bragging rights to the first dread kill will be immense. and since the primary role of the dread is structure demolitions, it would require a large escort if it were to ever consider going out on an op.
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Dzikus
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Posted - 2005.07.15 10:35:00 -
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About that escort for Dreadnoughts - 30 heavy drones on Moros will probably make to think twice every small group wanting to kill it. But if DN will undock, you can be sure, there is at least one more ship around - they will not be able to move anywhere without help. _________________
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2005.07.15 13:35:00 -
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You will see them, people are building them but yes if you want one be ready to pay a fortune the logistics involved in there production alone is insane, you are definitly talking 6-10 billion range on dreads, and you will be very very lucky to ever find one sitting on the market waiting to be sold.
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