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Derp Durrr
Asteria Imperative High Rollers
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Posted - 2013.02.04 18:09:00 -
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Hi all,
so I see the price for this item is rising at a fast pace, though I don't think I fully understand it. is this the price rise Akita T has told us about, back when the Technetium prices started to rise? or is something else happening? where will it end? is it just another bubble or...?
would love to hear your thoughts on this, also on what effects it will hold in the future if this price stays up for an extended amount of time. |
shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
336
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:38:00 -
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im not aware of any recent or coming changes that would explain its price increase. ingame sell volume hastnt changed, so im pretty sure its handmade (bubble). But I guess, you didnt rly wanted to ask that with ur post so w/e. shar'ra phone home |
Derp Durrr
Asteria Imperative High Rollers
4
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:18:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:im not aware of any recent or coming changes that would explain its price increase. ingame sell volume hastnt changed, so im pretty sure its handmade (bubble). But I guess, you didnt rly wanted to ask that with ur post so w/e.
thanks for your input on this. the fact that the sell volume hasnt changed was the part that made me step away from my beliefs that manip was in place (apart from the fact that substantial amounts of isk would be needed to do so). |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
825
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:28:00 -
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A word of caution. If you do not understand it, don't invest in it.
Neo is the playground for some big je...traders right now. Be careful.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
336
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:31:00 -
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Derp Durrr wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:im not aware of any recent or coming changes that would explain its price increase. ingame sell volume hastnt changed, so im pretty sure its handmade (bubble). But I guess, you didnt rly wanted to ask that with ur post so w/e. thanks for your input on this. the fact that the sell volume hasnt changed was the part that made me step away from my beliefs that manip was in place (apart from the fact that substantial amounts of isk would be needed to do so).
nope nope.....to keep it more simple:
unchanged demand/supply + increased prices = its likely the market got manipulated (in the one way or the other)
shar'ra phone home |
Derp Durrr
Asteria Imperative High Rollers
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:31:00 -
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I already cashed out today @ 86k, but thanks for the advice. question is, will I be able to do it again...? |
Derp Durrr
Asteria Imperative High Rollers
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:31:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Derp Durrr wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:im not aware of any recent or coming changes that would explain its price increase. ingame sell volume hastnt changed, so im pretty sure its handmade (bubble). But I guess, you didnt rly wanted to ask that with ur post so w/e. thanks for your input on this. the fact that the sell volume hasnt changed was the part that made me step away from my beliefs that manip was in place (apart from the fact that substantial amounts of isk would be needed to do so). nope nope.....to keep it more simple: unchanged demand/supply + increased prices = its likely the market got manipulated (in the one way or the other)
ah. missed that part :P |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1535
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:45:00 -
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I think Neodymium is second only to Thulium for manipulation attempts and forum posts.
Neodymium is capped by alchemy, though I can't be bothered to do the math: * Unrefined Neo Mercurite -> 40 Neo Mercurite + 95 Mercury * Unrefined Fluxed Condensates -> 40 Fluxed Condensates I tested this myself recently, as so many references are incorrect. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
405
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:48:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:I think Neodymium is second only to Thulium for manipulation attempts and forum posts. Neodymium is capped by alchemy, though I can't be bothered to do the math: * Unrefined Neo Mercurite -> 40 Neo Mercurite + 95 Mercury * Unrefined Fluxed Condensates -> 40 Fluxed Condensates I tested this myself recently, as so many references are incorrect.
Given the current respective prices of the inputs, Neo can hardly be called "capped" by Alchemy, as the reaction is worth nearly a billion isk a month right now, and has been moving between 400-500m/mo for the past few weeks. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4325
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Posted - 2013.02.05 17:32:00 -
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pl and test, not quite getting that a manipulation you tell everyone about is a bad manipulation, have told everyone that current neo prices are the result of their manipulation |
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
406
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Posted - 2013.02.05 17:46:00 -
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yeah huh, I guess the OP was right in calling it a manip.
well, whatever. after I read the OP I looked at numbers and decided to write a little post about alchemy because I figured people might want to know how to do something that's currently so relatively profitable. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3776
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Posted - 2013.02.05 18:06:00 -
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mynnna wrote:yeah huh, I guess the OP was right in calling it a manip. well, whatever. after I read the OP I looked at numbers and decided to write a little post about alchemy because I figured people might want to know how to do something that's currently so relatively profitable.
That was an awesome read. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Eternal Error
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
354
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:49:00 -
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PL is running around gathering up a lot of neo moons, although I doubt this accounts for much of the rise. Just food for thought. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4325
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:52:00 -
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Eternal Error wrote:PL is running around gathering up a lot of neo moons, although I doubt this accounts for much of the rise. Just food for thought. PL taxes its' members tech moons, but not their neo moons
so pl corps and members realized if they owned neo moons they'd actually keep more of the money rather than the foul taxman taking it, so they went and grabbed a bunch
i assume they're rethinking that tax scheme |
Smodab Ongalot
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
169
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Posted - 2013.02.06 00:26:00 -
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mynnna wrote:yeah huh, I guess the OP was right in calling it a manip. well, whatever. after I read the OP I looked at numbers and decided to write a little post about alchemy because I figured people might want to know how to do something that's currently so relatively profitable.
So.... if I understand correctly, neo is going up which therefore makes the neo related alchemy profitable. This combined with your "neo alchemy makes 1b/month" article on TMC means everyone and their mother will be doing neo alchemy now. Both the neo alchemy reactions use platinum.
So..... my takeaway from all this is that plat should go up in price? |
Derp Durrr
Asteria Imperative High Rollers
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Posted - 2013.02.06 03:09:00 -
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mynnna wrote:yeah huh, I guess the OP was right in calling it a manip. well, whatever. after I read the OP I looked at numbers and decided to write a little post about alchemy because I figured people might want to know how to do something that's currently so relatively profitable.
what a great post. I take pride in the fact that I've inspired you to such heights by starting this thread. don't worry, I won't take any credit for what you wrote. donations welcomed
***** and giggles aside, indeed platinum prices are following. so are a few others by the look of the market graphs... seems you have dragged quite some people along the road of the wondrous world of alchemy... with platinum on the lose (if this so happens) would platinum technite be next? or would it not make a dent in the scales as opposed to technetium prices? and at what price will it not be worth it to the alchemists out there to continue neo mercurite alchemy? I guess that would dictate the hard cap on platinum, won't it?
btw why thank you, this tinfoil hat does seem to suit me well. hand crafted, if I may add... |
deathDEATHdeath
Lorn inc
0
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:27:00 -
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mynnna wrote:yeah huh, I guess the OP was right in calling it a manip. well, whatever. after I read the OP I looked at numbers and decided to write a little post about alchemy because I figured people might want to know how to do something that's currently so relatively profitable.
I wonder how many people you tricked into doing this. Nobody is gonna buy that overpriced neo-merc on the market, nobody buys intermediaries anyway. When that **** starts going for what it's actually worth your reaction will be make <100m / month except by then plat will be even lower so you can forget about alchemy altogether. |
deathDEATHdeath
Lorn inc
0
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:28:00 -
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welp |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2585
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:05:00 -
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Smodab Ongalot wrote:So..... my takeaway from all this is that plat should go up in price?
Has. Has gone up in price. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
12
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Posted - 2013.02.07 04:27:00 -
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neo moon miners getting mad up in this.
smart to share the reaction, not really following nullsec politics as is changes everyday, whos got the moons? whos butt is this thread meant to hurt. |
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icy ghost
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.02.07 11:23:00 -
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http://evenews24.com/2013/02/06/lets-talk-a-bit-about-the-neodymium-cartel/ |
Calfis
The Dark Tribe
130
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:12:00 -
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Lol they are calling it NOTEC |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
414
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:35:00 -
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Just a pump and dump. There is no genuine price-fixing mechanism they can use here. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4357
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Posted - 2013.02.07 16:09:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Just a pump and dump. There is no genuine price-fixing mechanism they can use here. its actually some even hilariously less effective if you pay attention to what they're saying |
badposting
Doctrine.
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Posted - 2013.02.07 16:52:00 -
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icy ghost wrote:http://evenews24.com/2013/02/06/lets-talk-a-bit-about-the-neodymium-cartel/
Their math is ****** |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
414
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Posted - 2013.02.07 18:00:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:its actually some even hilariously less effective if you pay attention to what they're saying
I was 99% sure it was bullshit going in, and it only took me about 2-3 sentences to confirm it. Didn't read the rest.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4359
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Posted - 2013.02.07 18:04:00 -
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the best part is that everyone claimed mynnna going "you know alchemy is insanely profitable right now" was goonie propaganda
then montolio gives en24 an interview in exchange for fawning coverage and they too go "lawl just alchemize the neo and profit off of test", it's like half the article |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
281
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Posted - 2013.02.08 05:46:00 -
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For those of you still wondering what is happening with the price or can't get the link above to work (a google cache link can be found here)
Basically Test/HBC (and friends) are trying to follow in the footsteps of the GSF/OTech by gaining control of as many Neodymium related moons as possible to control the value of the moon materials / components and therefore T2 related items etc. According to the link above they are saying that (they are) "holding 80-85% of all the Neodymium in the game."
Naturally there was a huge buy up, followed by a huge sell off at the peak. Will the prices continue to go up is anyone's guess, though it could be assumed that if they really do control 80%+ of the related moons and are able to work together they could have some degree of control over the value and force an increase in price based on demand once the existing market stock is sold off. |
Callduron
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Posted - 2013.02.08 14:01:00 -
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Styth spiting wrote: if they really do control 80%+ of the related moons and are able to work together they could have some degree of control over the value and force an increase in price based on demand once the existing market stock is sold off.
So how would this work then? Suppose the market demand is X units and the game naturally generates 1.1X. Do they get all the Neo producers to sell half their stock at double the price? Milk the cartel for a while while warehousing the surplus? |
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
15
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Posted - 2013.02.08 14:05:00 -
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they will make it work, or buy heavily again to make it work, they went public now its all about avoiding the shaming on kugu.
neo will go up |
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