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Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:21:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Else what? You start harassing him in reallife, because actions on a forum provoke reactions in reallife?
Boy you sure like jumping to conclusions. Does the big mean Unit scare you?
Get over it. I don't care enough to bother finding anyone here. Not worth the time, hassle, and to me, it's simply unnecessary. So stop trying to twist words like the other poster to suit your needs and poorly paint me as the sociopath 90% of C&P is.
Vojk wrote:You're pretty angry, for a pacifist.
Who said I'm a pacifist? |
voorsk
Republican Guard
1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:27:00 -
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The reason for the harassment is irrelevant. When someone harasses you and your family in RL, you call the police! |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2686
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:31:00 -
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I suggest that the OP uses all legal means necessary to teach Theory, as example for others and to prevent that he will do it again, that there is a line he shouldnt cross.
Furthermore, its not me painting you ... you are doing it yourself.
Anyway, besides that, i would really like to know how you can make your promise actual reality and what kind of compensation you can offer in case your promise didnt actually work as expected.
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Kane Alvo
Coronis Corporation
16
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:32:00 -
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Moral of this story is?
Internet spaceships is serious business. The guy you gank today could be the guy who sends you a mail bomb tomorrow. There's all kinds of crazy out there, kids...and you never know what brand of crazy is lurking behind the keyboard.
Frankly, I'm not surprised by this at all. I'm surprised that it's not more common. |
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune Celestial Imperative
35
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:33:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Furthermore, its not me painting you ... you are doing it yourself.
Anyway, besides that, i would really like to know how you can make your promise actual reality and what kind of compensation you can offer in case your promise didnt actually work as expected.
What promise are you blathering about? |
Vojk
Diminished Responsibility
258
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:36:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:
Who said I'm a pacifist?
Someone who enjoys the suffering of others, and isn't concerned about how his actions may affect people outside of this game. Some who exists only to cause upset to those dumb enough to fall for his underhanded tactics. Someone who specifically targets the weak in order to inflict as much pain as possible. Someone who's exactly the same IRL as he is in game. In fact, he's writing this from his prison cell, after having ripped off several old ladies for their life savings.
Are you seeing how this works?
I doubt it. I doubt it very much indeed. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
846
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:37:00 -
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voorsk wrote:The reason for the harassment is irrelevant. When someone harasses you and your family in RL, you put a magazine of 9mm parabellum in them, and then you call the police!
Fixed your post.
The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
846
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:41:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote: It sounds like you're trying to twist the words of a valid TAX PAYERS opinion into some kind of scare tactic. He can say whatever he wants, whenever he wants.
WTF does anyone's tax paying status have to do with the discussion at hand? I'm starting to agree with the other folks that think you're just bat **** crazy.
Also, on the second point, you're wrong. Even the US First Amendment has its limits. Even more so in a private internet forum, such as this one.
The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2688
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:45:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Furthermore, its not me painting you ... you are doing it yourself.
Anyway, besides that, i would really like to know how you can make your promise actual reality and what kind of compensation you can offer in case your promise didnt actually work as expected.
What promise are you blathering about? Ah, my bad. Posting on a small tablet, mixed the quotes. ^_^ Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune Celestial Imperative
35
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:48:00 -
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Vojk wrote:Someone who enjoys the suffering of others, and isn't concerned about how his actions may affect people outside of this game. Some who exists only to cause upset to those dumb enough to fall for his underhanded tactics. Someone who specifically targets the weak in order to inflict as much pain as possible. Someone who's exactly the same IRL as he is in game. In fact, he's writing this from his prison cell, after having ripped off several old ladies for their life savings.
Are you seeing how this works?
I doubt it. I doubt it very much indeed.
No I see how it works. I'm not saying it's the case 100% of the time. Just because you kill someone in Eve and rub it in their face doesn't mean you'd do the same in the real world and do the same to their grieving family. You are taking my words out of context for your own needs. Sad.
But I still stand by my statement. While it doesn't mean everyone is a psychopathic killer IRL, it speaks volumes for the person behind the keyboard to see them enjoying someone elses suffering while continuing to rub salt in the wounds.
De'Veldrin wrote:voorsk wrote:The reason for the harassment is irrelevant. When someone harasses you and your family in RL, you put a magazine of 9mm parabellum in them, and then you call the police! Fixed your post.
Like this person above.
I can't help but wonder what some employers would think about that? Knowing their employees are that way?
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Jonah Gravenstein
The Burning Lotus
5507
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:50:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:Stuff about us all being sick individuals because we act like asshats in a game
Some of us have no problems separating real life from a game, Eve brings out the darker side of human nature and allows you to delight in being underhanded, deceitful, and otherwise a nasty person. This does not mean we're the same in real life.
Some of the so called sickos are amongst the most helpful people in the game, to those that display the right attitude when they explode. If you going to cry and throw a tantrum in local or private chat, you should expect people to ridicule you for it. However if you ask pertinent questions and display a positive attitude about your recent explosion then you usually get decent answers, helpful advice and occasionally your ship replaced.
If anyone has a problem it's the guy that took it into the real world, taking an internet spaceships grudge that far is totally out of order. If people can't seperate virtual worlds and the real world then they should GTFO of whatever virtual world they're in.
Real life stalking because of a game is extremely wrong, and IMHO should be a bannable offence.
I am Ohm of Borg, Resistance is Voltage/Current. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
846
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:57:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:But I still stand by my statement. While it doesn't mean everyone is a psychopathic killer IRL, it speaks volumes for the person behind the keyboard to see them enjoying someone elses suffering while continuing to rub salt in the wounds. De'Veldrin wrote:voorsk wrote:The reason for the harassment is irrelevant. When someone harasses you and your family in RL, you put a magazine of 9mm parabellum in them, and then you call the police! Fixed your post. Like this person above. I can't help but wonder what some employers would think about that? Knowing their employees are that way?
What part of my post you quoted above is, in any way, rubbing salt into any wounds? I merely stated that if I felt that I, or my family, were being threatened, I would take steps to end that threat in a swift, forceful, and permanent manner. There may be repercussions for me after the fact, but knowing my family is safe trumps that concern. The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune Celestial Imperative
35
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:57:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:More pointless twisted words as per usual of the bumpers.
You're well known as an intellectual puppet of James' merry band, so I shouldn't even bother to reply, but you people seem so hyped up to label me, despite numerous statements in the past, as approving of the stalking. So I'll just rebut your statement here.
Quote:Some of us have no problems separating real life from a game, Eve brings out the darker side of human nature and allows you to delight in being underhanded, deceitful, and otherwise a nasty person. This does not mean we're the same in real life.
Indeed. As I said before. Murder in eve does not mean you'd murder in the real. But taking joy from wringing someone for tears at a loss even after a few days of it, just to get them to react, is wrong, and anyone who does that is mostly likely not a pleasant person in the real. Try to defend it all you like, but it's simple logic. Your actions in a game are not magically disconnected from you.
Quote:Some of the so called sickos are amongst the most helpful people in the game, to those that display the right attitude when they explode. If you going to cry and throw a tantrum in local or private chat, you should expect people to ridicule you for it. However if you ask pertinent questions and display a positive attitude about your recent explosion then you usually get decent answers, helpful advice and occasionally your ship replaced.
Indeed they are. A lot of PvPers are still quite helpful to their victims and I am forever grateful that they maintain that. However, the culture of tear collection is making this type of glorious PvP'er a rare breed. If someone whines or cries, sure some teasing is in order. Continuing to the point where they rage hard, and you STILL egg them on? That's your fault.
Quote:If anyone has a problem it's the guy that took it into the real world, taking an internet spaceships grudge that far is totally out of order. If people can't seperate virtual worlds and the real world then they should GTFO of whatever virtual world they're in.
The same could be said for griefers enjoying their victims pain and grief IRL. If you take such joy in causing pain, you should take a step back and check yourself.
Quote:Real life stalking because of a game is extremely wrong, and IMHO should be a bannable offence.
Yes it should, as should the person trolling hard enough for making the person do such horrid things IRL. Both are responsible. |
Kane Alvo
Coronis Corporation
16
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:04:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:Yes it should, as should the person trolling hard enough for making the person do such horrid things IRL. Both are responsible.
You talk about flawed logic, but you don't see where you're coming up short, as with statements like this. If you follow the same course, then players should have their real life bank accounts drained if they get robbed in-game. That's ludicrous.
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Vojk
Diminished Responsibility
259
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:08:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:
You are taking my words out of context for your own needs. Sad.
But I still stand by my statement. While it doesn't mean everyone is a psychopathic killer IRL, it speaks volumes for the person behind the keyboard to see them enjoying someone elses suffering while continuing to rub salt in the wounds.
If you want to look at a case where something's been taken out of context and blown out of all proportion, read back through your own posts and reflect on them awhile.
My in game activities say nothing about the person behind my character. My motivations and actions within this game do not reflect those I posses and enact in real life. I find it laughable that you sit in this thread, pontificating about the low moral fibre of those who upset the 'victim', and yet appear to be blissfully ignorant of the ramifications of his subsequent actions and everything they say about him.
You're evidently unable to separate reality from game, and consider them both to be equally as important, in much the same way as the aforementioned 'victim'.
Either that or you're a Class A troll.
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Jonah Gravenstein
The Burning Lotus
5507
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:18:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:More pointless twisted words as per usual of the bumpers. You're well known as an intellectual puppet of James' merry band
Woooo I'm e-famous, by the way the phrase intellectual puppet is an oxymoron.
I am Ohm of Borg, Resistance is Voltage/Current. |
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune Celestial Imperative
35
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:40:00 -
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Vojk wrote:You're evidently unable to separate reality from game, and consider them both to be equally as important, in much the same way as the aforementioned 'victim'.
And you seem incapable of understanding that your actions as a player do carry over to real life. If you were running around screaming IM A POD PILOT LOOK AT MY SHIP, then I would admit yes you have a problem separating a game from reality. But your interactions with other people (being causing grief and enjoying it) in an MMORPG, the actions YOU take as a player, as a person, reflect your character.
And it does not reflect well. Just because you act in a horrid manner in a game does not give you a free pass for your actions. |
Virginia Virdana
Envoy Fast Deployment
22
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:46:00 -
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I had a modicum of sympathy for Theory666 until I realised he is a 2006 toon... He should have done his research, learned the game mechanics, and by now, know that Eve is cold and dark and to HTFU.
There is no excuse, none, for him hassling these guys in real life. There is no half-arsed, intellectually bankrupt justification that anyone can cook up for his actions. I don't care if they followed him round and blew up his ship every ten minutes for the whole 25 hours he was in their corp.
There seems to be a fair amount of people venting about griefing. Perhaps you should go and show someone where the bad person touched your spaceship, because I didn't see any of it in the chatlogs I just read. They say never come to a gunfight armed with a knife.You appear to have come armed with a spoon. |
voorsk
Republican Guard
1
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:53:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:Quote:Real life stalking because of a game is extremely wrong, and IMHO should be a bannable offence. Yes it should, as should the person trolling hard enough for making the person do such horrid things IRL. Both are responsible. Theory666 went from his ship being blown up to trying to find personal details in under 30 minutes. I know I'm only seeing one side of the story, but that doesn't leave much room for 'trolling'.
I do agree that some people can go too far when harvesting the tears, and I think Skunkworks went too far in this case. They should've told 666 how to leave corp when he asked the first time, coz after that, it was kinda like bullying.
When someone sheds a couple of in-game tears a bit, that's fun. When someone keeps on crying, and gets more and more angry, then that's a sign that you're causing them real mental anguish, and should stop that crud immediately. |
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune Celestial Imperative
35
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:55:00 -
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voorsk wrote:Unit CA108AF wrote:Quote:Real life stalking because of a game is extremely wrong, and IMHO should be a bannable offence. Yes it should, as should the person trolling hard enough for making the person do such horrid things IRL. Both are responsible. Theory666 went from his ship being blown up to trying to find personal details in under 30 minutes. I know I'm only seeing one side of the story, but that doesn't leave much room for 'trolling'. I do agree that some people can go too far when harvesting the tears, and I think Skunkworks went too far in this case. They should've told 666 how to leave corp when he asked the first time, coz after that, it was kinda like bullying. When someone sheds a couple of in-game tears a bit, that's fun. When someone keeps on crying, and gets more and more angry, then that's a sign that you're causing them real mental anguish, and should stop that crud immediately.
At last! A voice of reason!
Thank you! As you can see, he AND I in no way condone what Theory did. It was wrong, plain and simple. But so was egging him on to and BEYOND the breaking point. |
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Vojk
Diminished Responsibility
260
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:56:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:
And it does not reflect well. Just because you act in a horrid manner in a game does not give you a free pass for your actions.
Yes, it does, it's a ******* game you utter spanner.
This is my last post on the subject as you're evidently upset. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
2616
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:01:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote:Stop living in a dream where "online actions can never beget real actions." You're an adult, act like it and realize every action has a reaction. It's up to you to manage your actions and, in turn, the reactions it brings.
It's not "can't". It's "shouldn't". I believe that online actions should never beget real actions. Because it's a completely inappropriate response, like hitting someone because they said something you didn't like.
This is a role playing game. I did that...I played a character in a game, and someone else playing another character in the game got so upset about it that he took it outside the game.
If I leave my house unlocked and someone steals my TV, is it my fault or theirs? Sounds like in your world, it's my fault for not locking my door. I should just accept the consequences of my actions, even though the thief is the only person in the story who actually did something WRONG. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
2621
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:07:00 -
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voorsk wrote:They should've told 666 how to leave corp when he asked the first time, coz after that, it was kinda like bullying. He came to us from another corp from which he'd dropped roles. He knew how to put himself into corp stasis. Once he was issued roles, there was nothing anyone could do beyond wait for him to hit the 24 hour timer. We didn't tell tell him how to leave corp because he'd already done everything that could be done.
Monk, being Monk, took the opportunity to attempt to scam the guy out of some isk in order to let him go sooner. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune Celestial Imperative
35
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:11:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:It's not "can't". It's "shouldn't".
Welcome to the real world.
Quote:If I leave my house unlocked and someone steals my TV, is it my fault or theirs? Sounds like in your world, it's my fault for not locking my door. I should just accept the consequences of my actions, even though the thief is the only person in the story who actually did something WRONG.
What he did was indeed wrong. And he will pay with jail time. But it's still YOUR fault for not locking your door. You should secure your property. This is a stupid illustration. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
848
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:15:00 -
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@Floppie
The really important question in this thread has yet to be asked though, so I'll man up and do it.
I understand the Skunks recently lost a member due to ragequit - is that slot open to be filled?
The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Ristlin Wakefield
Wanderers of the Eternal Darkness Eternal Pretorian Alliance
283
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:15:00 -
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OK, I'm going to go all serious mode.
First of all, people act however they want in the game for many reasons. But regardless of those reasons, it is NOT WRONG to do so because players in EVE are RATIONAL and have EACH accepted a social contract that dictates events in game do not reflect real world morals, ethics, or laws. This social contract allows players to become pirates, to rob, to steal, to kill, and to do everything and anything they want to do in the context of the game -- knowing perfectly well that events in game are separate from real life.
By playing this game you are agreeing to this social contract. Should this contract be more explicit? I don't think so. The game is marketed as a sandbox with trailers that clearly depict what may happen to you in game. The tutorial explains very clearly that you WILL lose your ship and you WILL die. If taken proportionally, you are shown what it is like to lose almost everything as soon as you finish the mission that involves you losing one of your first ships. Like joining a club sport or participating in a study, you are told up front what will happen.
Now for the matter of cause and effect. Yes, obviously SkunkworksGÇÖ actions led this player to react. However, they did not force him to act beyond the context of the game. This player effectively broke the social contract by taking his grievances beyond the context of the game and into the real world.
Subsequently, one may argue that because non-rational players may be present in this game others should act accordingly. But this is false. It is only ever right to consider every person as rational, as it is a core tenet in the philosophy of human behavior. There are exceptions, but to act according to the exceptions breaks down social constructs and alters fundamental aspects of our society. If you want a clearer picture as to why it is RIGHT to believe all persons to be rational, writings by David Hume and Immanuel Kant are a good place to start.
Ultimately, however, people are stupid. This doesnGÇÖt mean they arenGÇÖt rational, but because of free will (predetermined, or otherwise) they are capable of acting in such a way that a perfectly rational person would not. And because no one is perfectly rational, everyone GÇô you, me, your awesome uncle GÇô will all make a mistake. How we all react to those mistakes determines who or what we are. And it is in my humble opinion that laughing at and learning from mistakes is the best reaction.
As for enjoying tears? Like I said people are stupid, forgive us :) I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license. |
voorsk
Republican Guard
3
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:16:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote: Thank you! As you can see, he AND I in no way condone what Theory did. It was wrong, plain and simple. But so was egging him on to and BEYOND the breaking point.
Let's not be too hasty with agreeing! Judging by the chat logs, I think 666's breaking point was when his CNR popped! There's not a lot anyone could do about that.
Maybe he wouldn't have gone through with the crank calls if he'd been allowed to leave corp an hour or two later - who knows.
edit: just noticed Floppies post, and the one about him being a 2006 player (I'm such a slow typer!). Not much anyone could've done, then. Just a dodgy roll of the dice. Call the police and carry on. |
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune Celestial Imperative
35
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:18:00 -
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voorsk wrote:Unit CA108AF wrote: Thank you! As you can see, he AND I in no way condone what Theory did. It was wrong, plain and simple. But so was egging him on to and BEYOND the breaking point.
Let's not be too hasty with agreeing! Judging by the chat logs, I think 666's breaking point was when his CNR popped! There's not a lot anyone could do about that. Maybe he wouldn't have gone through with the crank calls if he'd been allowed to leave corp an hour or two later - who knows.
No, I whole heartily agree with you that rage over a popped CNR was not called for, but that the egging on that came after really did not help anything.
But no, the rage was not justifiable over the CNR lost. |
Virginia Virdana
Envoy Fast Deployment
23
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:22:00 -
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Unit CA108AF wrote: Thank you! As you can see, he AND I in no way condone what Theory did. It was wrong, plain and simple. But so was egging him on to and BEYOND the breaking point.
You keep saying egging him on, but I'm not sure you know what it means. When you egg someone on, you encourage them to take a course of action. Is in "go on little Jimmy, throw a stone through that airlock."
These guys were definitely mocking him. Totally different. As in "your posts are bad, and you should feel bad."
Paticularly like the one about it being your fault if you get burgled because you forgot to lock your door. Nailed it. They say never come to a gunfight armed with a knife.You appear to have come armed with a spoon. |
Unit CA108AF
Unit Commune Celestial Imperative
35
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:26:00 -
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Virginia Virdana wrote:Unit CA108AF wrote: Thank you! As you can see, he AND I in no way condone what Theory did. It was wrong, plain and simple. But so was egging him on to and BEYOND the breaking point.
You keep saying egging him on, but I'm not sure you know what it means. When you egg someone on, you encourage them to take a course of action. Is in "go on little Jimmy, throw a stone through that airlock." These guys were definitely mocking him. Totally different. As in "your posts are bad, and you should feel bad." Paticularly like the one about it being your fault if you get burgled because you forgot to lock your door. Nailed it.
Attempting to solicit a reaction by opening your statement tauntingly with something I said a page ago. How cute.
If you don't believe trolling someone is not intentionally egging someone on to rage, then you are simply delusional and another extremist tear collector trying to make an excuse for their horrid past time.
And he did nail it with the locked door illustration, he showed how both parties are at fault :)
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