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Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate Nuclear Arms Exchange
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:13:00 -
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As I recall, when they did the dread rebalance they said that carriers as a class were the single most balanced category of ship in the game, any they didn't want to touch any other than the Nid(which is far too weak for words).
Moros now sports the single highest DPS in the game.
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RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2585
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:49:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Caps are a bit of a quantum leap from battleships.
Leave them alone and create that missing content that bridges the gap between the two classes.
"a quantum (plural: quanta) is the minimum amount of any physical entity involved in an interaction"
So, you're saying that Caps are the smallest possible change from battleships? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Generals4
Liandri Covenant
1714
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:54:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Ptraci wrote:Dread re-balancing? Hey yeah - I know - give dreads the ability to use drones. Wait, what?
These ships have already been "rebalanced" lately. Yes, and taking away drones from dreads and supers was such a great idea? Sorry, Nerfing Supers and Dreads was a Band-aid fix for the real issue, absurd amounts of isk in the system. And a year later, they still haven't done anything about the moon isk faucet.....
First: How do moons create isks? They create moon goo as far as i know. Second: Isks are irrelevant to the existence of super caps. If there were less isks there would be deflation. The problem is isk distribution. The more people are relatively super rich, the more can afford super fancy items. So if there are more super caps it is caused by an increasing wealth gap. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate Nuclear Arms Exchange
930
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:54:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Spurty wrote:Caps are a bit of a quantum leap from battleships.
Leave them alone and create that missing content that bridges the gap between the two classes. "a quantum (plural: quanta) is the minimum amount of any physical entity involved in an interaction" So, you're saying that Caps are the smallest possible change from battleships? No, he's saying Al has to send you travelling through time, righting the wrongs, before you can fly one. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
217
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:45:00 -
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Before any radical rebalancing of capitals, I would rather see some "luxury" ships created (T1 tech) for those with too much ISK and a desire to be uber-stylish while cruising the spacelanes.
Hell, make it a special purchase item through one mechanism or another -- PLEX, NEX store, Aurum. Whatever .
If folks will buy monocles -- well, nuf said.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3668
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Posted - 2013.02.07 04:47:00 -
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killorbekilled TBE wrote:they are working as intended which is shooting super structures and other capitals
overall capitals should and always be a low priority on CCP schedule Why? A lot of people use capital ships, and they're an absolute necessity for large groups in pretty much everywhere outside of highsec.
They should be given the same rebalancing priority as any other class of ship, and to my knowledge they are. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Kalle Demos
Ironic Corp Name
175
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Posted - 2013.02.07 09:26:00 -
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Remove supercaps, there you have your carrier / dread buff! |
Princess Saskia
50
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Posted - 2013.02.07 09:48:00 -
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Personally I think its the chimera thats outdated. I'd rather armor triage a thanatos and just put Shield reps as the highslots.
Then again im in an alliance with the ticker [TERBL]
/P Hyperfleet Industries is selectivly recruiting. Enquire today. Killboard
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Princess Saskia
50
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Posted - 2013.02.07 09:48:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:Before any radical rebalancing of capitals, I would rather see some "luxury" ships created (T1 tech) for those with too much ISK and a desire to be uber-stylish while cruising the spacelanes. Hell, make it a special purchase item through one mechanism or another -- PLEX, NEX store, Aurum. Whatever . If folks will buy monocles -- well, nuf said.
Yes to monocles! Hyperfleet Industries is selectivly recruiting. Enquire today. Killboard
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
284
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Posted - 2013.02.07 10:53:00 -
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Kalle Demos wrote:Remove supercaps, there you have your carrier / dread buff! They don't have to remove them, CCP needs to get them in line with their thinking about capital warfare.
There's a reason why Dreads and Carriers need to siege and triage to unleash their potential.
Supers simply don't die enough. Add their build cost and the fact that you need to dedicate a character to them, makes them the perfect example of power creep in a certain segment of players.
Before supers got their buff, cap fleets rose up and cap fleets died in a fire. The fact that dreads and carriers are within the reach of most "normal" EVE players, allowed for some better dynamics when it came to the capital power of established, and not so established alliances.
These days, the nature of supers ensures that they drift, and accumulate in very few areas of EVE.
Supers simply need to die more, and they need to be a possible next step in diversity for pilots, instead of such a big commitment to a certain playstyle, which they are these days.
So, require them to siege in order to launch FBs, require them to triage for full remote rep power, but in turn, allow them to dock and reduce their build cost a bit.
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Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
753
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Posted - 2013.02.07 11:11:00 -
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The Phoenix is laughable at anything other than structure bashing :(
You can speed tank the missiles in a freighter. |
Ptraci
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
1232
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Posted - 2013.02.07 11:13:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:The Phoenix is laughable at anything other than structure bashing :(
You can speed tank the missiles in a freighter.
It's laughable at structure bashing, too. I have a phoenix, which is why I am training for a Moros... |
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
284
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Posted - 2013.02.07 11:20:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:The Phoenix is laughable at anything other than structure bashing :(
You can speed tank the missiles in a freighter. It's laughable at structure bashing, too. I have a phoenix, which is why I am training for a Moros... I think most Phoenix pilots have already done this, or are doing it.
Those who aren't, are most likely just waiting to see if CCP will follow-through on their idea about reducing the pre-req from BS V to IV, or, are going to finally fix the Phoenix in the cap re-balance.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3673
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Posted - 2013.02.07 11:58:00 -
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Wacktopia wrote:Jassmin Joy wrote: (whats the plural to naglfar out of interest, naglfai?) Naglf'ra ? Reference That's actually kind of cool. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Wacktopia
Noir. Black Legion.
451
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Posted - 2013.02.07 13:33:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Caps are a bit of a quantum leap from battleships.
Leave them alone and create that missing content that bridges the gap between the two classes.
How would you bridge this gap? I mean, what role is there between a BS and a capital class vessel?
Battleships themselves are a bit of a struggling class outside of missioners and mass fleets. The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
517
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Posted - 2013.02.07 13:51:00 -
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T2s first; starting with the command ships. Then it'll be the caps.
There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2272
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Posted - 2013.02.07 17:59:00 -
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I find the Moros to be in good spirits after the changes.
The Revelation seems fine to me as is.
The Phoenix can use more DPS and a better tank.
The Naglfar can use another weapon slot tbh. Preferably a turret slot.
The Chimera is the weakest tank of all carriers and tends to go down fast in PvP. Given that its a Logi class vessel, I don't think we should freak out about this aspect.
The Archon could maybe use some more capacitor.
The Thanny is fine as she is.
The Nidhoggur needs serous love. The slight boost to Armor and Shield remote reps just don't make up for its crappy tank in any way shape or form.
I also demand more capital hulls, at least 2 New T1 hulls for both Dreads and Carriers of each faction.
I'm sick of caps being RR blobs or POS bash gangs. I want to see actual Cap on Cap warfare, and, Cap on Sub cap warfare. I want anti-cap Dreads, anti-sub cap carriers and a whole lot of chaos inbetween. Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
285
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:20:00 -
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Pohbis wrote:Ptraci wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:The Phoenix is laughable at anything other than structure bashing :(
You can speed tank the missiles in a freighter. It's laughable at structure bashing, too. I have a phoenix, which is why I am training for a Moros... I think most Phoenix pilots have already done this, or are doing it. Those who aren't, are most likely just waiting to see if CCP will follow-through on their idea about reducing the pre-req from BS V to IV, or, are going to finally fix the Phoenix in the cap re-balance. Well I guess todays Devblog settles it.
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Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate Nuclear Arms Exchange
940
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Posted - 2013.02.07 20:48:00 -
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Pohbis wrote:Pohbis wrote:Ptraci wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:The Phoenix is laughable at anything other than structure bashing :(
You can speed tank the missiles in a freighter. It's laughable at structure bashing, too. I have a phoenix, which is why I am training for a Moros... I think most Phoenix pilots have already done this, or are doing it. Those who aren't, are most likely just waiting to see if CCP will follow-through on their idea about reducing the pre-req from BS V to IV, or, are going to finally fix the Phoenix in the cap re-balance. Well I guess todays Devblog settles it. holy crap, I'm gonna be able to fly minnie caps after this, and a titan O.o;; Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Eternal Error
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
360
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Posted - 2013.02.08 02:08:00 -
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They need to look at caps soon. Fixing dreadnoughts is actually pretty easy, but carriers are a bit more difficult.
Moros-nerf damage, if you ever get around to changing POSes and getting rid of bubbles, nerf the range nag-remove split weapon systems phoenix-change kinetic bonus to general bonus citadel torps/cruises: fix them
The bottom line is the moros is just too damn good. A basic t1 siege moros is usually superior to fully skilled nags/phoenixes for many applications. You can buff the others, but some of the balance is going to have to come from a moros nerf.
Nidhoggur: fix fitting/cap whatever. I'm honestly not that familiar with it, but hear that it has serious issues.
Thanatos: Give it something other than a fighter damage bonus. Part of the disparity between it and the Archon is just a result of how good resistance bonuses are, so you might want to look at that as well. Currently, the only reason to train a thanny is for PvE or because you're skilling up to a Nyx. The only things it's useful for are POS repping if you don't have a chimera/nidh, PvE, and using if you can't fly an archon.
Chimera and Archon: both are mostly fine
TL;DR we're not looking for a lengthy capital tiericide or balance effort, most of this can be done with quick, easy, non-controversial fixes. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6611
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Posted - 2013.02.08 03:01:00 -
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Eternal Error wrote:phoenix-change kinetic bonus to general bonus
Why, exactly? The Moros is limited to thermal/kinetic and the Revelation is limited to EM/thermal. The Naglfar is different because PROJECTILES ARE BROKEN but that's a different topic altogether.
Anyway, capitals are mostly fine - the problematic ones are the Hel and Naglfar. The Hel sucks and has worthless bonuses and the Naglfar's split weapon systems are a stupid idea that should have been scrapped in 2005. The reason there is such a massive gap between armor and shield capitals is because of the fact that gang bonuses for shields were broken for years, but this has been fixed - there's really no way to fix the fact that shield capitals will remain unfavorable since virtually every capital fleet is dominated by armor. ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2592
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Posted - 2013.02.08 03:06:00 -
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Andski wrote:there's really no way to fix the fact that shield capitals will remain unfavorable since virtually every capital fleet is dominated by armor.
Actually, making crosstraining between racial capitals easier would go some way towards fixing the problem of capital inertia.
What? You say that CCP is making crosstraining between racial capitals radically easier? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6612
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Posted - 2013.02.08 03:06:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:I'm sick of caps being RR blobs or POS bash gangs. I want to see actual Cap on Cap warfare, and, Cap on Sub cap warfare. I want anti-cap Dreads, anti-sub cap carriers and a whole lot of chaos inbetween.
oh, you want cap on subcap warfare and anti-subcap carriers? man what a tough call, oh wait ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6612
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Posted - 2013.02.08 03:13:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Actually, making crosstraining between racial capitals easier would go some way towards fixing the problem of capital inertia.
What? You say that CCP is making crosstraining between racial capitals radically easier?
Why would I spend close to a year training another 6 billion ISK in skillbooks because CCP removed ~40 days from capital prereqs, especially when my main capital alt has every Gallente capital skill to 5 (except titan 5, which is 12 days from completion)? ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2592
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Posted - 2013.02.08 03:19:00 -
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Andski wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Actually, making crosstraining between racial capitals easier would go some way towards fixing the problem of capital inertia.
What? You say that CCP is making crosstraining between racial capitals radically easier? Why would I spend close to a year training another 6 billion ISK in skillbooks because CCP removed ~40 days from capital prereqs, especially when my main capital alt has every Gallente capital skill to 5 (except titan 5, which is 12 days from completion)?
Fair enough. I'll admit that I didn't think about Supers.
The changes make my Capital alt happy, since he'll be doing the Archon/Moros thing, and the 40d represents quite a lot of time since he's already in a Thanatos. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Eternal Error
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
360
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Posted - 2013.02.08 03:19:00 -
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Andski wrote:Eternal Error wrote:phoenix-change kinetic bonus to general bonus Why, exactly? The Moros is limited to thermal/kinetic and the Revelation is limited to EM/thermal. The Naglfar is different because PROJECTILES ARE BROKEN but that's a different topic altogether. Because having selectable damage type but lower dps than one or two of the other dreads would be more interesting than just buffing it to the exact same dps level. It would also give it an advantage for POS bashing (I'm kind of going under the assumption that CCP won't ACTUALLY fix capital missiles, so for a quick fix I'd give the phoenix an advantage for structure bashing).
I'm not exactly throwing out stellar suggestions here, just something to make them not a complete ******* joke in the interim. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2273
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Posted - 2013.02.08 06:47:00 -
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Andski wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:I'm sick of caps being RR blobs or POS bash gangs. I want to see actual Cap on Cap warfare, and, Cap on Sub cap warfare. I want anti-cap Dreads, anti-sub cap carriers and a whole lot of chaos inbetween. oh, you want cap on subcap warfare and anti-subcap carriers? man what a tough call, oh wait
Cap blob with sub cap support is still cap blob with support.
BLob enough of something and you can kill anything.
Mute point much? Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6612
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Posted - 2013.02.08 06:49:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Cap blob with sub cap support is still cap blob with support.
BLob enough of something and you can kill anything.
Mute point much?
no, you're just clueless about caps, vOv
also the subcaps were bridged in just to get on killmails - they did not play a role in deciding the fight (hint: having a T3 target-paint you with hundreds of sentry drones assigned to it means you're dead) ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2274
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Posted - 2013.02.08 08:44:00 -
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Andski wrote:(hint: having a supertanked instalocking T3 target-paint you with hundreds of sentry drones assigned to it means you're dead)
I must have missed the drone skills that allow me to control a hundred assigned drones from a single ship.....
Now if you had said guarding..... Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6615
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Posted - 2013.02.08 08:45:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:I must have missed the drone skills that allow me to control a hundred assigned drones from a single ship.....
Now if you had said guarding.....
"Assisting" ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
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