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Signal11th
The Retirement Club
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Posted - 2013.03.11 13:53:00 -
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Caps will get "balanced" as soon as the GSF come up against someone who uses carriers 90% for defence of their systems. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4318
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Posted - 2013.03.11 13:59:00 -
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Signal11th wrote:Caps will get "balanced" as soon as the GSF come up against someone who uses carriers 90% for defence of their systems. lol, u mad Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3943
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Posted - 2013.03.11 14:02:00 -
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Capt ****** wrote:Carriers Its bordering on a joke how bad Minmatar are, how crap Capital Missiles are, and yet its been ... ooo - hard to say - how many years since people started complaining about cap imbalance - armour doctrine is the only doctrine - DONT TRAIN MINMATAR CAPITALS, DO TRAIN AMARR/GALLENTE.
But but but... it's vertical!
That attribute HAS to find proper penalties, doesn't it?
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Signal11th
The Retirement Club
923
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Posted - 2013.03.11 14:05:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Signal11th wrote:Caps will get "balanced" as soon as the GSF come up against someone who uses carriers 90% for defence of their systems. lol, u mad
It was an attempt at a little humour but haven't seen a thread blaming the GSF for "something"tm for at least 30mins..so i thought I would jump into the breach so to speak. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4318
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Posted - 2013.03.11 14:09:00 -
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Signal11th wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Signal11th wrote:Caps will get "balanced" as soon as the GSF come up against someone who uses carriers 90% for defence of their systems. lol, u mad It was an attempt at a little humour but haven't seen a thread blaming the GSF for "something"tm for at least 30mins..so i thought I would jump into the breach so to speak. It's easy, fun and profitable to blame GOON. And I say GOON because that's what pubbies call them. Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3547
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Posted - 2013.03.11 14:12:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Signal11th wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Signal11th wrote:Caps will get "balanced" as soon as the GSF come up against someone who uses carriers 90% for defence of their systems. lol, u mad It was an attempt at a little humour but haven't seen a thread blaming the GSF for "something"tm for at least 30mins..so i thought I would jump into the breach so to speak. It's easy, fun and profitable to blame GOON. And I say GOON because that's what pubbies call them. GEWNs !!!!!!
Ironically, we're of course trying to build a massive blob of sentry carriers, so... I am a nullsec zealot. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
4318
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Posted - 2013.03.11 14:14:00 -
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Yeah, I just started an alt for that exact reason. Malcanis for CSM 8 Module activation timers are buggy - CCP please fix |
Denuo Secus
147
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Posted - 2013.03.11 14:27:00 -
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Nag fix this summer: [Summer] T1 Frigate Polish Pass and Naglfar fix
EDIT: nvm..already posted here |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3547
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Posted - 2013.03.11 14:34:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yeah, I just started an alt for that exact reason. Of course you did, we're some sort of wierd hivemind that spits out tons of rifters (or I guess now slashers) but has a wall of stuff behind that to crack your head open on. I am a nullsec zealot. |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
517
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Posted - 2013.03.11 14:43:00 -
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As I see it, Carriers are defined in their roles pretty well: Archon - Tag team triage/RR good Cap Xfer Capabilities, works great in a team. Chimera - As above, but for shield Great tanks on both. Thanatos - Combat carrier, great for maximum DPS carriers, either a small-gang vs med-gang tide turner |
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
293
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Posted - 2013.03.11 15:33:00 -
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This topic again...i remember my self advocating ages ago that mini one need stronger reps to be any good or barely good...maybe we should wait another few years just to make sure how there is only 1 carier to field and il just say nothing on about dread it is all same story on repeat.
quick fix reimburse skills for one that suck and lock em no harm done until real change. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
421
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Posted - 2013.03.12 04:17:00 -
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CONDI Mittani, where have you gone to? I miss you :( |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3550
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Posted - 2013.03.12 05:22:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote: I'm disappointed you didn't link the :condi: I am a nullsec zealot. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
426
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Posted - 2013.03.17 08:41:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:I'm disappointed you didn't link the :condi: I'm sorry, I couldn't help it. It always makes me think of that. Mittani, where have you gone to? I miss you :( |
destiny2
Abh Empire Unclaimed.
124
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Posted - 2013.03.17 08:58:00 -
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id choose a nid over a thanny any day, nid gets a rep bonus thanny gets damage bonus to fighters, and most thanny pilots will deploy sentry IIs and not fighters, |
Lsohviet
Mercs of Vengeance Lucidus Subjugatus
0
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Posted - 2013.03.17 09:07:00 -
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Aside from numerical balancing I'd like to see some changes to the carriers and dreads to make them more mobile and perhaps integrated in smaller fleets. Being able to travel through gates would be pretty cool (low and null sec only of course) as it would not only allow a cap pilot to move around freely if they are without a cyno alt or support at a certain time, but could also allow for some hilarious killmails of caps waiting the 45 days to align sitting at a gate.
This is just my opinion of course. |
iskflakes
355
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Posted - 2013.03.17 10:05:00 -
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I don't think there will be any more cap rebalancing coming. The timetables I remember say caps will be 2015 or so (It apparently takes 5-6 expansion cycles to get to them), this is despite titans being the least fun and useful ships in the game. Their only combat role, structure shooting, is done _twice_ as good by a ship 1/50th the cost that doesn't trap your character forever. Blapping used to be something titans could do, but now only dreads can do it. I want to see people actually use titans so they can actually die, is that too much to ask? - |
Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
251
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Posted - 2013.03.17 10:36:00 -
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What I'd like to know is why fighters where allowed to become inferior to sentry drones. The fighters where supposed to be the best of the best in the drone category. We miss you Saede. |
Primary This Rifter
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.03.17 10:45:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:I don't think there will be any more cap rebalancing coming. The timetables I remember say caps will be 2015 or so (It apparently takes 5-6 expansion cycles to get to them), this is despite titans being the least fun and useful ships in the game. Their only combat role, structure shooting, is done _twice_ as good by a ship 1/50th the cost that doesn't trap your character forever. Blapping used to be something titans could do, but now only dreads can do it. I want to see people actually use titans so they can actually die, is that too much to ask? Titans aren't immobile for multiples of five minutes while they deal their maximum DPS. Titans have the capability to bridge a large fleet of ships anywhere within 7.875 LY with max skills (assuming the other system isn't cynojammed) Titans are immune to electronic warfare. And last I checked, titans also have a special ability in nullsec that can, once every 10 minutes, deliver 3,000,000 racial damage to a single capital ship target within range in a single volley. Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations. |
iskflakes
356
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Posted - 2013.03.17 10:57:00 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Titans aren't immobile for multiples of five minutes while they deal their maximum DPS. Titans have the capability to bridge a large fleet of ships anywhere within 7.875 LY with max skills (assuming the other system isn't cynojammed) Titans are immune to electronic warfare. And last I checked, titans also have a special ability in nullsec that can, once every 10 minutes, deliver 3,000,000 racial damage to a single capital ship target within range in a single volley.
They also cost 50 times as much, have absolutely 0 survivability and trap your character forever. The dread can't move but it also gets twice as much DPS, is super cheap, can be insured and doesn't trap your pilot. The DD is crap, it's just a way to get yourself killed. The bridge is a logistical role, not a combat one. Titans need both to be fun to fly, and right now they're not. - |
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
335
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Posted - 2013.03.17 10:57:00 -
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Why bother ?
It's not as though cap ships are used as much as most other ships -- and one of their major uses is to grind down Sov structures -- which just about everyone agrees is a boring and annoying waste of time.
Fix "The Grind" first... then revamping caps can be done without a focus on grinding.
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Angelique Duchemin
Serenity Prime Kraken.
251
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Posted - 2013.03.17 11:30:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Titans aren't immobile for multiples of five minutes while they deal their maximum DPS. Titans have the capability to bridge a large fleet of ships anywhere within 7.875 LY with max skills (assuming the other system isn't cynojammed) Titans are immune to electronic warfare. And last I checked, titans also have a special ability in nullsec that can, once every 10 minutes, deliver 3,000,000 racial damage to a single capital ship target within range in a single volley. They also cost 50 times as much, have absolutely 0 survivability and trap your character forever. The dread can't move but it also gets twice as much DPS, is super cheap, can be insured and doesn't trap your pilot. The DD is crap, it's just a way to get yourself killed. The bridge is a logistical role, not a combat one. Titans need both to be fun to fly, and right now they're not.
Not fun? Seems Alliances are very quick to get these ships as soon as they can and are quite upset to lose them. I don't think there's any lack of motivation to use the titans.
We miss you Saede. |
iskflakes
356
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Posted - 2013.03.17 12:31:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:Not fun? Seems Alliances are very quick to get these ships as soon as they can and are quite upset to lose them. I don't think there's any lack of motivation to use the titans.
I haven't seen a titan used in a battle where the outcome wasn't already decided in at least 2 years. That's what I want to see. - |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
549
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Posted - 2013.03.17 12:38:00 -
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well they did fix the chimera so that it can fit the remote reps without a co-processor CCP don't make us wait another decade for a drone overhaul; DRONE OVERHAUL NOW! |
Primary This Rifter
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.03.17 12:52:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Titans aren't immobile for multiples of five minutes while they deal their maximum DPS. Titans have the capability to bridge a large fleet of ships anywhere within 7.875 LY with max skills (assuming the other system isn't cynojammed) Titans are immune to electronic warfare. And last I checked, titans also have a special ability in nullsec that can, once every 10 minutes, deliver 3,000,000 racial damage to a single capital ship target within range in a single volley. They also cost 50 times as much, have absolutely 0 survivability and trap your character forever. The dread can't move but it also gets twice as much DPS, is super cheap, can be insured and doesn't trap your pilot. The DD is crap, it's just a way to get yourself killed. The bridge is a logistical role, not a combat one. Titans need both to be fun to fly, and right now they're not. Well I agree that titans need a better combat role, but there are several points to address.
Yeah titans trap your character - that's why people don't fly titans on their mains. They have quite a bit of survivability - over 40 million EHP for a tank fit titan gives them plenty of time to get reinforcements if the titan pilot gets into trouble, unless the opposing fleet brings a LOT of subcaps in a very short period of time or they bring in several supers and titans of their own. The DD isn't crap at all, it's actually quite useful and it can one-shot most capital ships. In fact the lack of DD is one reason GSF has made the decision not to commit titans to lowsec anymore. DD would have made a significant difference in Asakai. The bridge can be both a logistic and a combat role - even if the titan isn't directly involved in a fight bringing up to 254 ships into a battle instantly is a tremendous combat capability. Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
402
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Posted - 2013.03.17 14:01:00 -
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If the DD was reduced to its 5 minute charge time instead of the larger hour timer would it be more useful? Really the issue with all the caps is they are resource intensive but can only do so much for it all. IE they should be reduced in cost as upgrading them leads to bad places.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2680
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Posted - 2013.03.17 14:10:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:If the DD was reduced to its 5 minute charge time instead of the larger hour timer would it be more useful?
You don't actually know anything about titans do you. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Primary This Rifter
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.03.17 14:13:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:If the DD was reduced to its 5 minute charge time instead of the larger hour timer would it be more useful? Really the issue with all the caps is they are resource intensive but can only do so much for it all. IE they should be reduced in cost as upgrading them leads to bad places.
Um, what? DD takes between 6 and 9.5 seconds (depend on which DD is used) to deal damage from when it's activated, and when it's activated it makes the ship immobile for 30 seconds and unable to jump or cloak for another 10 minutes (when the module deactivates).
It also costs roughly 20 million ISK each use depending on fuel prices. It also takes out around 15 to 20% of the ship's capacitor when firing. Yes, I'm an alt. Congratulations. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3568
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Posted - 2013.03.17 14:22:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:If the DD was reduced to its 5 minute charge time instead of the larger hour timer would it be more useful? You don't actually know anything about titans do you. I wasn't around to have a rifter shot by a tracking titan. I am a nullsec zealot. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2977
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:25:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Angelique Duchemin wrote:Not fun? Seems Alliances are very quick to get these ships as soon as they can and are quite upset to lose them. I don't think there's any lack of motivation to use the titans.
I haven't seen a titan used in a battle where the outcome wasn't already decided in at least 2 years. That's what I want to see.
Uhh.... This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
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