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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6606
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:47:00 -
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Anndy wrote:yes because getting massive numbers and throwing them all into a single system to create lag is hard
okay you go ahead and create a massive alliance that can field massive numbers with coverage across all timezones
it is easy after all ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
baltec1
Bat Country
5042
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:47:00 -
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Anndy wrote:
yes because getting massive numbers and throwing them all into a single system to create lag is hard, and you wonder why no 1 will play with you
TiDi stops that from happening and has done for a very long time. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4354
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:48:00 -
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Anndy wrote: yes because getting massive numbers and throwing them all into a single system to create lag is hard, and you wonder why no 1 will play with you
~~goonie lagsploits~~
man hadn't heard that one in ages this brings me back |
Anndy
The Evocati
60
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:49:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:baltec1 wrote:Yet the area of space with the highest concentration of bots also contains two of the most popular mission systems Have we got to the 'CCP are manipulating the figures and lying about the enthusiastic highsec missioners to cover up for the massive nullsec RMT botfarms' part of the delusion yet?
i seriously doubt it
BUT since you decided to bring it up i honestly wouldn't be to surprised, people accused ccp of helping bob for years too and bob said the same things your saying now but look what happened with that, we even got the CSM created in part because of the T20 thing and look who happens to control the CSM now
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6606
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:50:00 -
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Anndy wrote:look who happens to control the CSM now
number of goons on the CSM: ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Kiteo Hatto
Equanimity Order
787
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:50:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Kiteo Hatto wrote: Herp derp, planet Earth to Andski, come in, did i say anomalies.....?
Ratting as in belts, you know. Those belts that have NPC with higher bounties that the NPCs in missions. Those belts that have a chance to spawn some juicy things.
To the other goon above, I also explained my point of view but you clearly missed it, so I won't bother doing it again.
belt ratting is inferior to anomaly ratting in 0.0 and is also competing for limited resources don't you ever get tired of being wrong
Ah yes, "competing". Clearly there are more empty systems in high than null and clearly a bot can't jump through gates to clear systems, its clearly stuck in that one system. There is also NO way a bot will alert the "player" that there is an officer spawn and there is absolutely NO way that said player can grab a good ship to kill those spawns.
I like how you left out that fact that belt ratting still earns more ISK than missions though. Cause, fark logic.
I am tired, so i bid you all good night :) |
baltec1
Bat Country
5042
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:50:00 -
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Anndy wrote:
i seriously doubt it
look who happens to control the CSM now
I give up, who is that? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6606
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:51:00 -
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Kiteo Hatto wrote:Ah yes, "competing". Clearly there are more empty systems in high than null and clearly a bot can't jump through gates to clear systems, its clearly stuck in that one system. There is also NO way a bot will alert the "player" that there is an officer spawn and there is absolutely NO way that said player can grab a good ship to kill those spawns.
since when do you need an empty system in highsec to run missions
mission sites are spawned the moment you warp to agent bookmark, there's no competition over them, period ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Anndy
The Evocati
60
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Anndy wrote:
yes because getting massive numbers and throwing them all into a single system to create lag is hard, and you wonder why no 1 will play with you
TiDi stops that from happening and has done for a very long time.
you call November 29, 2011 a very long time? |
CynoNet Two
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
599
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:55:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Anndy wrote:
look who happens to control the CSM now
I give up, who is that?
Apathy.
Anndy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Anndy wrote:
yes because getting massive numbers and throwing them all into a single system to create lag is hard, and you wonder why no 1 will play with you
TiDi stops that from happening and has done for a very long time. you call November 29, 2011 a very long time?
That's almost 10 dog years!
Also it's longer than you've been making good posts (you don't ever make good posts). |
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Kiteo Hatto
Equanimity Order
787
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:56:00 -
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Andski wrote:Kiteo Hatto wrote:Ah yes, "competing". Clearly there are more empty systems in high than null and clearly a bot can't jump through gates to clear systems, its clearly stuck in that one system. There is also NO way a bot will alert the "player" that there is an officer spawn and there is absolutely NO way that said player can grab a good ship to kill those spawns.
since when do you need an empty system in highsec to run missions mission sites are spawned the moment you warp to agent bookmark, there's no competition over them, period
I was so close to logging off and going to bed but you just HAD to post. Right, stay with me dear Andski, when i am talking about empty systems I mean ratting.
The other goon said that ratting is inferior to anomalies.
BUT, you are still with me right ? BUT there are more empty systems in null that competition does not matter.
It would be funny to see someone run missions in null......it would also make no sense. Again, fark logic. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5043
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:56:00 -
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Anndy wrote:
you call November 29, 2011 a very long time?
Its 2013. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6606
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:57:00 -
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Kiteo Hatto wrote:BUT, you are still with me right ? BUT there are more empty systems in null that competition does not matter.
those systems are empty because they're worthless to rat in, you see
worthless to the point that hisec mission running is literally more lucrative ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
baltec1
Bat Country
5043
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:59:00 -
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Kiteo Hatto wrote:
I was so close to logging off and going to bed but you just HAD to post. Right, stay with me dear Andski, when i am talking about empty systems I mean ratting.
The other goon said that ratting is inferior to anomalies.
BUT, you are still with me right ? BUT there are more empty systems in null that competition does not matter.
It would be funny to see someone run missions in null......it would also make no sense. Again, fark logic.
We ran lvl 4s in venal. It made us a lot more than ratting in belts. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
411
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:02:00 -
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Anndy wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:baltec1 wrote:Yet the area of space with the highest concentration of bots also contains two of the most popular mission systems Have we got to the 'CCP are manipulating the figures and lying about the enthusiastic highsec missioners to cover up for the massive nullsec RMT botfarms' part of the delusion yet? i seriously doubt it BUT since you decided to bring it up i honestly wouldn't be to surprised, people accused ccp of helping bob for years too and bob said the same things your saying now but look what happened with that, we even got the CSM created in part because of the T20 thing and look who happens to control the CSM now
That's good enough as a "goons r ccmcsprmt" for me.
I got GD idiot bingo. I win.
Also reported for rumour-mongering.
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Anndy
The Evocati
60
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:06:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Anndy wrote:
you call November 29, 2011 a very long time?
Its 2013.
yep and 16 months ago it was Nov 2011, now i wonder how exactly the map looked back then??? oh wait i already know |
Malik Doom
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:07:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Anndy wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:baltec1 wrote:Yet the area of space with the highest concentration of bots also contains two of the most popular mission systems Have we got to the 'CCP are manipulating the figures and lying about the enthusiastic highsec missioners to cover up for the massive nullsec RMT botfarms' part of the delusion yet? i seriously doubt it BUT since you decided to bring it up i honestly wouldn't be to surprised, people accused ccp of helping bob for years too and bob said the same things your saying now but look what happened with that, we even got the CSM created in part because of the T20 thing and look who happens to control the CSM now That's good enough as a "goons r ccmcsprmt" for me. I got GD idiot bingo. I win. Also reported for rumour-mongering.
LMAO |
Anndy
The Evocati
60
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:10:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Anndy wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:baltec1 wrote:Yet the area of space with the highest concentration of bots also contains two of the most popular mission systems Have we got to the 'CCP are manipulating the figures and lying about the enthusiastic highsec missioners to cover up for the massive nullsec RMT botfarms' part of the delusion yet? i seriously doubt it BUT since you decided to bring it up i honestly wouldn't be to surprised, people accused ccp of helping bob for years too and bob said the same things your saying now but look what happened with that, we even got the CSM created in part because of the T20 thing and look who happens to control the CSM now That's good enough as a "goons r ccmcsprmt" for me. I got GD idiot bingo. I win. Also reported for rumour-mongering.
meh they called it rumor-mongering with bob too |
Xinivrae
306
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:11:00 -
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I like watching you post.
You've gone from some self proclaimed highsec carebear who claims to know very little about bots, to a supposed mastermind who can detail the most efficient use of bots in nullsec.
Amazing. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5043
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:13:00 -
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Anndy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Anndy wrote:
you call November 29, 2011 a very long time?
Its 2013. yep and 16 months ago it was Nov 2011, now i wonder how exactly the map looked back then??? oh wait i already know
Ah 16 months ago. When the evil russian supercarrier blob was about to wipe out all of null sec and the only hope was the hero goons who made their stand in VFK agaist a force that wiped out NC in a matter of weeks.
My how evil empires change. |
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Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate Nuclear Arms Exchange
929
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:18:00 -
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Anndy wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:Anndy wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:baltec1 wrote:Yet the area of space with the highest concentration of bots also contains two of the most popular mission systems Have we got to the 'CCP are manipulating the figures and lying about the enthusiastic highsec missioners to cover up for the massive nullsec RMT botfarms' part of the delusion yet? i seriously doubt it BUT since you decided to bring it up i honestly wouldn't be to surprised, people accused ccp of helping bob for years too and bob said the same things your saying now but look what happened with that, we even got the CSM created in part because of the T20 thing and look who happens to control the CSM now That's good enough as a "goons r ccmcsprmt" for me. I got GD idiot bingo. I win. Also reported for rumour-mongering. meh they called it rumor-mongering with bob too And because of the BoB thing created a team whos sole purpose is to prevent that from happening again. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2431
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:18:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Whatayoke wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Whatayoke wrote:1. Find out how much marauders/any good L4 ships do an hour. 2. a is the amount from 1. a * 23 = b, profit per day 3. b * 30 = c, profit per month 4. lets say an RMTer runs 40 copies of eve in highsec: c * 40, profit from 40 copies per month 5. question solved? You make way more in good areas of null... so no. Not at all. Nice try though. But this can be done by any guy, you dont need to have connections to stay/live in 0.0 or something. Just all by yourself Yes, any guy can bot rat in an empty spot of nullsec and make way more isk then missions.
I've popped into nullsec systems from wormholes and have actually seen the quintessential "Ratting Carrier".
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Anndy
The Evocati
60
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:20:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Anndy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Anndy wrote:
you call November 29, 2011 a very long time?
Its 2013. yep and 16 months ago it was Nov 2011, now i wonder how exactly the map looked back then??? oh wait i already know Ah 16 months ago. When the evil russian supercarrier blob was about to wipe out all of null sec and the only hope was the hero goons who made their stand in VFK agaist a force that wiped out NC in a matter of weeks. My how evil empires change.
convenient how you managed to leave out the fact NC didnt really attempt to fight back, convenient how you forgot to mention only a few alliances within that blob attacked goons, convenient how you forgot to mention that same blob crumbled under its own weight only months after NC was gone |
Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate Nuclear Arms Exchange
929
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:22:00 -
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Anndy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Anndy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Anndy wrote:
you call November 29, 2011 a very long time?
Its 2013. yep and 16 months ago it was Nov 2011, now i wonder how exactly the map looked back then??? oh wait i already know Ah 16 months ago. When the evil russian supercarrier blob was about to wipe out all of null sec and the only hope was the hero goons who made their stand in VFK agaist a force that wiped out NC in a matter of weeks. My how evil empires change. convenient how you managed to leave out the fact NC didnt really attempt to fight back, convenient how you forgot to mention only a few alliances within that blob attacked goons, convenient how you forgot to mention that same blob crumbled under its own weight only months after NC was gone Wow, either you were not there, or your memory is very bad.
The 'Few alliances' were the ones that provided ALL the firepower to coalition, and it didn't collapse, they disbanded it because they didn't want a sea of blues(look where all those alliances are now).
Edit: and the NC did try to fight back, they were just horribly ineffective due to leadership issues(leadership was not playing). Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5044
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:24:00 -
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Anndy wrote:
convenient how you managed to leave out the fact NC didnt really attempt to fight back, convenient how you forgot to mention only a few alliances within that blob attacked goons, convenient how you forgot to mention that same blob crumbled under its own weight only months after NC was gone
Its also convenient how you forget to mentions the fact that we **** caged the most supercarriers and titans in history and mangled every fleet that tried to evack them as well as the fact that the battles involved fleets of equal numbers of subcaps on both sides.
But hey, when less than 20 Bats can bring high sec to its collective knees and produces months of rage on the forums by your ilk then its no wonder we have managed to take so many tech moons and hold them. |
Malik Doom
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Anndy wrote:
convenient how you managed to leave out the fact NC didnt really attempt to fight back, convenient how you forgot to mention only a few alliances within that blob attacked goons, convenient how you forgot to mention that same blob crumbled under its own weight only months after NC was gone
Its also convenient how you forget to mentions the fact that we **** caged the most supercarriers and titans in history and mangled every fleet that tried to evack them as well as the fact that the battles involved fleets of equal numbers of subcaps on both sides. But hey, when less than 20 Bats can bring high sec to its collective knees and produces months of rage on the forums by your ilk then its no wonder we have managed to take so many tech moons and hold them.
And that ladies and gents, is why Goons are the invincible internet spaceship masters of EVE. |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
240
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:31:00 -
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Kalle Demos wrote:This thread was interesting until GSF dedicated forum warriors decided to join for no reason, you would think having all that space they would have a lot of fun, cool things to do, yet here they are once again defending their alliance when the OP mentions ALL OF 0.0. Clearly GSF have something to hide if the second RMT is mentioned they have to get involved
Btw none adressed them in the thread. Was a talk about RTM and immeditally they jumped in to say "no, we are not, our corpotation wallet and transation is visible" and so on :)
I already tried to explain them as this attitude only feed suspects, but then everyone do as prefers...
And still I don't think is a matter of a specific group, corporation are alliance, everyone has his own fair share of this. And also I'm sure are only very small groups and 99% of this people is clean even if they work hard on the forum to look like guilty..
Botting. Anyone with an average IQ understand as they are isntalled where is more convenient to install them. Mining and ratting bots needs to have empty belts and no competitors to work properly, beside installing a ratting bot in high sec makes no sense considerating the laughable payout. Same for anomalies bots, they need to be installed where anomalies pay more and with no competitors.
Missioning bots (like the recent "Questor") are different: they farm an infinite resources spawned ad hoc (the mission site) so they don't have to worry about competitors and can work fine everywhere (of course they will be installed where there are mission hubs).
Note here: the statement "now 0.0. belts are empty cause is more convenient to run missioning bots" is awesome :)
But here the point was not botting, was RMT. If RMT from moon, botting, or legit in game activities is secondary. The question is: who manage this at a massive level.
There are cases of major alliance leaders banned or involved in RMT (just as example the former leader of RA), as well as WHOLE alliance of botters banned, and again they were part of these null sec coalition and well known as botters (last one is that jagged alliance). Those are facts. For the rest, again, is enough to google some keywords to find documents, data, chat logs that give a clear idea about this.
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Anndy
The Evocati
60
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Anndy wrote:
convenient how you managed to leave out the fact NC didnt really attempt to fight back, convenient how you forgot to mention only a few alliances within that blob attacked goons, convenient how you forgot to mention that same blob crumbled under its own weight only months after NC was gone
Its also convenient how you forget to mentions the fact that we **** caged the most supercarriers and titans in history and mangled every fleet that tried to evack them as well as the fact that the battles involved fleets of equal numbers of subcaps on both sides. But hey, when less than 20 Bats can bring high sec to its collective knees and produces months of rage on the forums by your ilk then its no wonder we have managed to take so many tech moons and hold them.
not sure what you call equal numbers but that was mainly just PL, Raiden and NC., hardly compares to goons numbers
i dont mine so ya your high sec crap doesn't affect me in any form and i actually think its really funny all those miners insist on mining in packed systems just asking to be ganked |
Tallian Saotome
Papercut Syndicate Nuclear Arms Exchange
929
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:35:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote: There are cases of major alliance leaders banned or involved in RMT (just as example the former leader of RA), as well as WHOLE alliance of botters banned, and again they were part of these null sec coalition and well known as botters (last one is that jagged alliance). Those are facts. For the rest, again, is enough to google some keywords to find documents, data, chat logs that give a clear idea about this.
Can you name another example, preferably of the non-russian variety(Sorry russians, but you get the generic RMT tag now that china has cracked down on it) Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2584
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:40:00 -
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For the people who keep claiming that Botting is mostly in Nullsec, I'm just going to put this here, from Sreeg's presentation at Fanfest:
http://evenews24.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/01.jpg
More than 80% of bots are in Empire.
INB4 claim that "All HS Bots are Nullsec alts." This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
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