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Delara Navaan
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.07 06:10:00 -
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Hey guys I was wondering if anyone knows any decent Talos builds for pve. I know most of you will say use Myrm instead or another BC more suited to pve, but I really like the idea of a glass canon BC. So is there any way a Talos could be workable in L3+ pve? |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.02.07 06:31:00 -
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Fit one out and try it, it's usually the best way to learn stuff.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Lili Lu
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Posted - 2013.02.07 07:29:00 -
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Do not use a Talos for level 3s. The rats you will be facing will be frigs, cruisers, and few BCs. Large guns are really not suited for tracking and killing these things unless it is an obvious sniping mission. The Myrm will run level 3s better. And for level 4s you will want a tank that a tier 3 cannot sport. Any of the Gallente BSs will run a level 4 better for that reason.
Tier 3s are pvp ships. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.02.07 07:49:00 -
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Well the Talos does one-shot rat frigs from 40km with only half of it's guns, and rest are dealt with drones.
I use a Talos often to rat and clean sleepers from harvesting sites.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Juan Andalusian
Bastion 437
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Posted - 2013.02.07 09:07:00 -
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A Talos with pure gank rail fit that has an optimal of 45-50km + AB will steamroll through L3 Missions. A MAR is optional depending if there is a close initial spawn on your warp in. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.02.07 10:17:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Do not use a Talos for level 3s. The rats you will be facing will be frigs, cruisers, and few BCs. Large guns are really not suited for tracking and killing these things unless it is an obvious sniping mission. The Myrm will run level 3s better. And for level 4s you will want a tank that a tier 3 cannot sport. Any of the Gallente BSs will run a level 4 better for that reason.
Tier 3s are pvp ships.
I'm told that they make pretty good platforms for doing the BS heavy anomalies. Nagas are particularly popular for this. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Juan Andalusian
Bastion 437
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Posted - 2013.02.07 11:45:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:The Myrm will run level 3s better.
10 times slower than a Rail Talos
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Aria Ta'Rohk
Praetorian Cannibals The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2013.02.07 21:30:00 -
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I'd assume that with the tracking bonus the Talos receives from the Battlecruisers skill, it could deal with NPC frigates quite easily with blasters just by either popping them on approach or burning away from them to minimize transversal. So in theory, it could work, but I think the tank may be a little underwhelming. Perhaps fit 2 Hardeners, and a shield booster? Maybe an extender? Here is something I just threw together while typing that last sentence:
Talos: Level III Runner
Highs: Neutron Blaster Cannon II x8 (Antimatter L)
Mids: 10mn Afterburner II Thermic Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Large Shield Extender II
Lows: Magnetic Field Stabilizer II x2 Tracking Enhancer II x3
Rigs: Medium Core Defense Field Purger x3
I have no idea if that is even a good idea for level 3s, as I don't mission, but it seems like it could work. I'll take 2 carebears to go, with extra tears |
Antonio Steele
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.07 21:41:00 -
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I have a friend that loves her Talos for PVE and uses it to great effect. You need to keep range so your turrets can track the rats, and use drones for ones that get close. It is unconventional to some people here, but it is quite viable if you are a good pilot.
Note that the Talos is the only Tier 3 BC I would dare use for PVE, as the other 3 have no drones for rats that get too close. |
Termy Rockling
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.02.07 22:46:00 -
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I have been doin l3s in AC Tornado for a month now, been bit hairy couple times when i have strayed under 20k. MWD, 2 harderners and medium shield booster |
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Delara Navaan
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.07 23:56:00 -
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Thanks for the encouragement guys. I'm definitely considering running a Talos now... so much more fun than something more conventional. Anyone else got any decent builds for me??
Aria Ta'Rohk wrote:I'd assume that with the tracking bonus the Talos receives from the Battlecruisers skill, it could deal with NPC frigates quite easily with blasters just by either popping them on approach or burning away from them to minimize transversal. So in theory, it could work, but I think the tank may be a little underwhelming. Perhaps fit 2 Hardeners, and a shield booster? Maybe an extender? Here is something I just threw together while typing that last sentence:
Talos: Level III Runner
Highs: Neutron Blaster Cannon II x8 (Antimatter L)
Mids: 10mn Afterburner II Thermic Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Large Shield Extender II
Lows: Magnetic Field Stabilizer II x2 Tracking Enhancer II x3
Rigs: Medium Core Defense Field Purger x3
I have no idea if that is even a good idea for level 3s, as I don't mission, but it seems like it could work.
Thanks for yours btw Aria. Although I'm wondering are the tracking enhancers a bit of waste? Since you get drones to take out any frigs and shoot long distance at anything else?? |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.02.08 01:34:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Lili Lu wrote:Do not use a Talos for level 3s. The rats you will be facing will be frigs, cruisers, and few BCs. Large guns are really not suited for tracking and killing these things unless it is an obvious sniping mission. The Myrm will run level 3s better. And for level 4s you will want a tank that a tier 3 cannot sport. Any of the Gallente BSs will run a level 4 better for that reason.
Tier 3s are pvp ships. I'm told that they make pretty good platforms for doing the BS heavy anomalies. Nagas are particularly popular for this.
I've steam rolled a few anoms with an Oracle. I dunno about the Talos though. I've been EFT warrioring an Oracle for running C2s. It'll probably work better than my Sleip but have way better ammo usage.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Yaoriko
TeamAXE inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.08 07:58:00 -
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Okay, now i have similar question, but about ferox. How it is gonna be with lvl 3 missons? All the infon i found is all about how hybrid gunships sux, rail sux etc. But all of those were old posts. So obvious question: hybrid stil sux? |
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
628
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Posted - 2013.02.08 08:43:00 -
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Yaoriko wrote:Okay, now i have similar question, but about ferox. How it is gonna be with lvl 3 missons? All the infon i found is all about how hybrid gunships sux, rail sux etc. But all of those were old posts. So obvious question: hybrid stil sux?
Hybrids are fine. Medium Rails specifically are horrible. |
Yaoriko
TeamAXE inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.08 09:19:00 -
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Is it bad idea to make rail ferox for pve ratting? Im not looking for easiest nor fastest way for killing. Just wanna know if its terribad to use rail ferox. I just really like caldari ships and railguns! Btw, im ratting duo with friend, so its not solo. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.02.08 10:28:00 -
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Why do ask from us if it's terribad?
If you like something, do it, don't worry what others think about it.
If ratting speed does not matter to you, use whatever ship you like, Retriever will work.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Callduron
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Posted - 2013.02.08 14:08:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Lili Lu wrote:Do not use a Talos for level 3s. The rats you will be facing will be frigs, cruisers, and few BCs. Large guns are really not suited for tracking and killing these things unless it is an obvious sniping mission. The Myrm will run level 3s better. And for level 4s you will want a tank that a tier 3 cannot sport. Any of the Gallente BSs will run a level 4 better for that reason.
Tier 3s are pvp ships. I'm told that they make pretty good platforms for doing the BS heavy anomalies. Nagas are particularly popular for this.
Forsaken Hubs have no frigates and the trigger seems to be the last thing you shoot so you never have to tank half the last wave while tanking the next. Talos can't solo any other anom type efficiently.
Also the people who extol them tend to be people shooting kinetic-vulnerable rats. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.02.08 15:08:00 -
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Yaoriko wrote:Is it bad idea to make rail ferox for pve ratting? Im not looking for easiest nor fastest way for killing. Just wanna know if its terribad to use rail ferox. I just really like caldari ships and railguns! Btw, im ratting duo with friend, so its not solo.
Remember the rebalance for BCs is coming up in a few days. After that, the old 'wisdom' about Ferox will need revised. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Lili Lu
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Posted - 2013.02.08 16:16:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Malcanis wrote:Lili Lu wrote:Do not use a Talos for level 3s. The rats you will be facing will be frigs, cruisers, and few BCs. Large guns are really not suited for tracking and killing these things unless it is an obvious sniping mission. The Myrm will run level 3s better. And for level 4s you will want a tank that a tier 3 cannot sport. Any of the Gallente BSs will run a level 4 better for that reason.
Tier 3s are pvp ships. I'm told that they make pretty good platforms for doing the BS heavy anomalies. Nagas are particularly popular for this. I've steam rolled a few anoms with an Oracle. I dunno about the Talos though. I've been EFT warrioring an Oracle for running C2s. It'll probably work better than my Sleip but have way better ammo usage. -Liang I appreciate both of your experience with anomalies and wormholes, but re-read the OP and the title for the thread. L3 I take to mean level 3 missions. Level 3 missions are filled with frigs and cruisers. As I said, in missions where one can snipe then using a Talos is fine. Should not be a problem and might be very good. But in missions that don't lend themselves to sniping a Myrm will be better. Also, having a tanking bonus is a good thing for newer players. Hell that's why so many gravitate into Drakes.
People run pve content in whatever they want, sometimes simply for the challenge of it. I've done it. Because we all know that the 9000th Sanctum or Gone Berserk or whatever can get a little old. Using something different can spice it up.
Anyway, of all the tier 3s the Talos is the best for pve because it can deploy 5 light drones to kill a scram frig flying under gun tracking if necessary. Regardless, a tier 3 BC is made for gang pvp (or in the case of the tornado for solo blapping of small **** for giggles). And a non- tier 3 BC is better suited for level 3 missions. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Atrocitas
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Posted - 2013.02.08 16:17:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:I appreciate both of your experience with anomalies and wormholes, but re-read the OP and the title for the thread.
I wasn't really discussing the OP or use in L3 missions. I was discussing the use of Tier 3s in anoms.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Lili Lu
684
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Posted - 2013.02.08 16:47:00 -
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Delara Navaan wrote:Thanks for the encouragement guys. I'm definitely considering running a Talos now... so much more fun than something more conventional. Anyone else got any decent builds for me?? Aria Ta'Rohk wrote:I'd assume that with the tracking bonus the Talos receives from the Battlecruisers skill, it could deal with NPC frigates quite easily with blasters just by either popping them on approach or burning away from them to minimize transversal. So in theory, it could work, but I think the tank may be a little underwhelming. Perhaps fit 2 Hardeners, and a shield booster? Maybe an extender? Here is something I just threw together while typing that last sentence:
Talos: Level III Runner
Highs: Neutron Blaster Cannon II x8 (Antimatter L)
Mids: 10mn Afterburner II Thermic Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Large Shield Extender II
Lows: Magnetic Field Stabilizer II x2 Tracking Enhancer II x3
Rigs: Medium Core Defense Field Purger x3
I have no idea if that is even a good idea for level 3s, as I don't mission, but it seems like it could work. Thanks for yours btw Aria. Although I'm wondering are the tracking enhancers a bit of waste? Since you get drones to take out any frigs and shoot long distance at anything else?? That's just it though Delara, there will be many frigs. The tracking bonus is nice, and the TEs are advisable on a shield fit, but you will probably need a web to have those large neutron blasters track well. And I would always advise fitting a DC on any ship, so you may need to adjust the above lows to take into account DC and SPR(s).
The big problem with blasters and an ab fit will be that (especially with guristas missions) you will end up traveling a lot to get to rats that like to snipe you. This is where a rail fit is better. But of course conversely those rails won't track the frigs that come close on you. And depending on the unbonused drones to take them all out will also take more time.
Best thing to do is to read the mission descriptions and figure out whether it lends itself to sniping (rail fit) or if it is ideal for a blaster fit in that there are mostly cruisers and they get close. And if you do regen shield fit you may want some SPR(s) in your lows and a web plus invuln in your mids to compensate for not having the two rat specific hardeners.
I tried a Talos a couple times in some level 4s after the ship came out to tranquility. It was underwhelming and even dicey (tank) compared to the other ships I had available (Sleip, Fleet Phoon, Domi). Level 3s might actually be worse due to large guns v medium and small size rats. That is why I think you could be better served with a Myrm or even a pre-buff Brutix. But have fun either way. Good luck to you. |
Delara Navaan
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.08 23:04:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Delara Navaan wrote:Thanks for the encouragement guys. I'm definitely considering running a Talos now... so much more fun than something more conventional. Anyone else got any decent builds for me?? Aria Ta'Rohk wrote:I'd assume that with the tracking bonus the Talos receives from the Battlecruisers skill, it could deal with NPC frigates quite easily with blasters just by either popping them on approach or burning away from them to minimize transversal. So in theory, it could work, but I think the tank may be a little underwhelming. Perhaps fit 2 Hardeners, and a shield booster? Maybe an extender? Here is something I just threw together while typing that last sentence:
Talos: Level III Runner
Highs: Neutron Blaster Cannon II x8 (Antimatter L)
Mids: 10mn Afterburner II Thermic Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Large Shield Extender II
Lows: Magnetic Field Stabilizer II x2 Tracking Enhancer II x3
Rigs: Medium Core Defense Field Purger x3
I have no idea if that is even a good idea for level 3s, as I don't mission, but it seems like it could work. Thanks for yours btw Aria. Although I'm wondering are the tracking enhancers a bit of waste? Since you get drones to take out any frigs and shoot long distance at anything else?? That's just it though Delara, there will be many frigs. The tracking bonus is nice, and the TEs are advisable on a shield fit, but you will probably need a web to have those large neutron blasters track well. And I would always advise fitting a DC on any ship, so you may need to adjust the above lows to take into account DC and SPR(s). The big problem with blasters and an ab fit will be that (especially with guristas missions) you will end up traveling a lot to get to rats that like to snipe you. This is where a rail fit is better. But of course conversely those rails won't track the frigs that come close on you. And depending on the unbonused drones to take them all out will also take more time. Best thing to do is to read the mission descriptions and figure out whether it lends itself to sniping (rail fit) or if it is ideal for a blaster fit in that there are mostly cruisers and they get close. And if you do regen shield fit you may want some SPR(s) in your lows and a web plus invuln in your mids to compensate for not having the two rat specific hardeners. I tried a Talos a couple times in some level 4s after the ship came out to tranquility. It was underwhelming and even dicey (tank) compared to the other ships I had available (Sleip, Fleet Phoon, Domi). Level 3s might actually be worse due to large guns v medium and small size rats. That is why I think you could be better served with a Myrm or even a pre-buff Brutix. But have fun either way. Good luck to you.
Thanks for the tips!! I'll try and make it work, but I'm not sure how far it'll go since I'm pretty much a newb in EVE :) |
Juan Andalusian
Bastion 437
100
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Posted - 2013.02.09 14:42:00 -
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8 x 425mm Rails II
1 x 10mn AB II 1 x Tracking computer (Tracking Speed) 2 x Sebo (1 unscripted 1 scan res script)
2 x Tracking Enhancer 2 x Magnetic Field Stab II 1 x Mag Stab II or MAR II (depending if you have an initial close range frig or cruiser spawn. By close range i mean under 20km)
Rigs don't matter that much use whatever makes you feel more comfortable i guess.
The key to this is knowing that you don't need to track what is coming straight at you. Any frig that is further than 30km just get it to agro wait until it's started moving and then activate your guns to insta pop it.
Avoid moving as much as possible and only move backwards if you are being hard pressed.
You will be very hard pressed to find a ship which will be able to complete the missions at a faster rate than this. |
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