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ORCACommander
Obsidian Firelance Technologies
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:18:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:ORCACommander wrote:You need a blurb in there about where to apply for reimbursement and when you want us to apply. No need to apply, the new skills will be done and placed in your head automagically.
AHHHH GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!!!!!!
*runs head first into a wall*
hmm might want to clear that up on the end of the blog then |
Wiu Ming
Dead Guy Syndicate Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
37
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:18:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote:2. Let's assume I want to fly Domination...
I flew a Domination once.
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tgl3
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
264
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:18:00 -
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seth Hendar wrote:CCP RubberBAND wrote:Sarmatiko wrote: Can you please answer directly: do we have to train skill prerequisites to progress in that skill? To level Freighters V without Advanced Spaceships Command V, or to maximize Command ships V without all those useless links? I dont worry about "you will able to fly" thing. I want to know if I need to maximize skills now to skip useless skills that you introduced as prerequisites for command ships today.
Independent of ships if the skill training requirements change, then yes. In order to train those skills after the expansion hits you will need those skills trained. So for the Fenrir you will need to first have Advanced Spaceship Command at level V before you can start training Minmatar Freighter, but the prerequisite for that skill has changed. this suck. i currently have all the * warfare to III, warfare link specialis IV and Command Ship to 4 this means that even if the skill is injected and already trained up to IV, after the expansion i'll need to get ALL the *Warfare ti V BEFORE i can even resume training the Command Ship V? if yes, this is bullshit As far as I know, as long as the skill is already injected, you can keep training it further. It's the injection of the skill that is affected by the prerequisites. However, I could be wrong, and would appreciate a CCP response on the matter. Member of the EVE Blog Pack - Through Newb Eyes Twitter - TG_3 |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
239
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:19:00 -
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Dedicated supercap chars should get their skillpoints for racial BS 4 and 5 reimbursed. |
Sarmatiko
876
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:19:00 -
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Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:Straight answer?
You simply don't understand how skills work! Prerequisites are checked when you are trying to inject the skill from its skill book. Once it is in your skill queue - even at 0 - you are free to skill as far as you want. Yeah, you saying this like training injected skills with one or more missing prerequisites is a common case. Guess I just need to pod myself few times without clone just to test this out?
I'll better ask for direct answer and doublecheck because I don't want to train another pack of useless skills for another 60+ days in addition to now irrelevant Assault/Heavy assault ships.
Anyway I just started to train CS V so problem is solved.
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
10
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:20:00 -
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tgl3 wrote:seth Hendar wrote:CCP RubberBAND wrote:Sarmatiko wrote: Can you please answer directly: do we have to train skill prerequisites to progress in that skill? To level Freighters V without Advanced Spaceships Command V, or to maximize Command ships V without all those useless links? I dont worry about "you will able to fly" thing. I want to know if I need to maximize skills now to skip useless skills that you introduced as prerequisites for command ships today.
Independent of ships if the skill training requirements change, then yes. In order to train those skills after the expansion hits you will need those skills trained. So for the Fenrir you will need to first have Advanced Spaceship Command at level V before you can start training Minmatar Freighter, but the prerequisite for that skill has changed. this suck. i currently have all the * warfare to III, warfare link specialis IV and Command Ship to 4 this means that even if the skill is injected and already trained up to IV, after the expansion i'll need to get ALL the *Warfare ti V BEFORE i can even resume training the Command Ship V? if yes, this is bullshit As far as I know, as long as the skill is already injected, you can keep training it further. It's the injection of the skill that is affected by the prerequisites. However, I could be wrong, and would appreciate a CCP response on the matter.
that's what i was thinking prior to CCP Ruberband answer, stating:
Quote:Independent of ships if the skill training requirements change, then yes. In order to train those skills after the expansion hits you will need those skills trained.
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1781
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:22:00 -
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Many people in situations similar to mine can currently fly the Archon with these skills: BS at V, JDO at 1, and Amarr Carrier at I.....
After this change, I will not be able to fly the Archon, as I wont have JDO V, let alone JFC or JDC
CCP CLEARLY state "if we can fly it today, we can fly it tomorrow.... "
Are you planning to address this? |
tgl3
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
264
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:23:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Many people in situations similar to mine can currently fly the Archon with these skills: BS at V, JDO at 1, and Amarr Carrier at I.....
After this change, I will not be able to fly the Archon, as I wont have JDO V, let alone JFC or JDC
CCP CLEARLY state "if we can fly it today, we can fly it tomorrow.... "
Are you planning to address this?
You will still have the Carrier skill trained, so you can fly the ship. What you may NOT be able to do, is train the Carrier skill further. Member of the EVE Blog Pack - Through Newb Eyes Twitter - TG_3 |
Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
51
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:24:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Many people in situations similar to mine can currently fly the Archon with these skills: BS at V, JDO at 1, and Amarr Carrier at I.....
After this change, I will not be able to fly the Archon, as I wont have JDO V, let alone JFC or JDC
CCP CLEARLY state "if we can fly it today, we can fly it tomorrow.... "
Are you planning to address this?
You will be able to fly it. You won't be able to train Amarr Carrier 2 until you have the prereqs met. |
Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
299
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:24:00 -
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So, when are the guns/launchers going to get the same treatment? Those skill trees have the same derpy 2-dimensional non-sensical requirements as the ships had.
For example, with hybrid weapons, It's pretty dumb that in order to train Large Blaster Specialization you have to train the smaller specializations to 4 as well as all of the hybrid weapon skills to 5. By the time you can even upload the Large BLaster Spec skill, you'll already have "specialized" in everything, making the term "specialization" a bit moot ;) GòªGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGòæGûæGûæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòæGûæGòæGûæGòöGòùGûæGòªGòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòªGòùGòöGòù GòæGûæGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòúGûæGòöGòùGòáGûæGûæGòáGûæGòáGòùGòáGò¥GûæGòæGòáGûæGòáGò¥GòæGòæGòæGòÜGòù Gò¬GòÉGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòÜGò¥GûæGòÜGò¥GòæGûæGûæGòÜGò¥GòæGòæGòÜGò¥GûæGò¬GòÜGò¥GòÜGò¥GòæGûæGòæGòÜGò¥ Got Item? |
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ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
205
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:27:00 -
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i am curius as to why the decision to have all all the warfare skills as lvl 5 before getting into a command ship even if the command ship is speced for armor rather than shield, this seems like an odd choice, and for a sec there i also though you guys were gunna give me all the warfare skills to V as well :-P |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4354
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:28:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:FinalFlash84 wrote:According to your explanation, shouldn't the DD prereqs (like Science V, EPW V and AWU V) also be added to the titan?
edit: Also Fighter V and EW V for supercarriers Ideally, yes, but we wanted to keep close hard training times, so we had to take a pick between the Doomsday and the Jump Portal. given current titan usage you picked wrong: the dd is required, the jpg is optional |
Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
157
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:30:00 -
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Irregessa wrote:So, someone I know is saying that when they had Large Railgun Spec 2 trained and happened to lose Large Hybrid Turret 5 due to dying in an insufficient clone, he could not continue to train Large Railgun Spec until he got Large Hybrid Turret back up to 5 again.
If that is how it works, if I have a character who presently knows Command Ships 3 but doesn't have the leadership skills to 5, he won't be able to train Command Ships 4 until he does?
edit: I now have had multiple people tell me they have had the above situation happen to them.
that's not how it works. if you have the skill injected, you can train it. i've tested this several times, mostly on cyno alts that loose electronics V due to no clones. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1781
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:32:00 -
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tgl3 wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Many people in situations similar to mine can currently fly the Archon with these skills: BS at V, JDO at 1, and Amarr Carrier at I.....
After this change, I will not be able to fly the Archon, as I wont have JDO V, let alone JFC or JDC
CCP CLEARLY state "if we can fly it today, we can fly it tomorrow.... "
Are you planning to address this?
You will still have the Carrier skill trained, so you can fly the ship. What you may NOT be able to do, is train the Carrier skill further.
But I do have the carrier skill... and can easily fly EVERY CARRIER In the game simply by training it now.....
To put it blatantly....
Today, I CAN FLY any regular carrier in this game.... (although I've only skill trained on the archon).
I do NOT have JDO V, let alone JFC or JDC....
With the changes, I could NOT FLY a regular carrier when the skiil changes happen....
This is a direct contradiction to the quote: If you can fly it today, you can fly it tomorrow....
How does CCP plan to address this? |
Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
157
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:32:00 -
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ITTigerClawIK wrote:i am curius as to why the decision to have all all the warfare skills as lvl 5 before getting into a command ship even if the command ship is speced for armor rather than shield, this seems like an odd choice, and for a sec there i also though you guys were gunna give me all the warfare skills to V as well :-P
except that command ships isn't a racial skill, so no telling if the pilot will be armor/shield. |
Artemis Picoazaksat
BLOOM. Verge of Collapse
50
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:35:00 -
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So let me get this Straight:
I have BC5 and Destroyer 5 so I am fine on the T1 BC and Destroyers
If I want to continue to just use my carrier as a Ship Hauler. I will have to get Capital Ships 4 as it is currently only at 3?
If I want to use all the Command Ship that I can Currently I will have to get ALL the leadership skills to 5!? If that is the case then it is ridiculous and adds 51 Days of training for link I don't use.
For my Freighter ALT to continue to use it Charon I am going to have to train Advanced Spaceship Command 5 which is currently at Advanced Spaceship Command 4 adding 23 Days so if I don't have it by the time the Patch Hits, what? I cannot use it anymore? IF so that is complete BS!
And on all three of my Mining ALT's I am going to have to training Mining Frigate 3.
This would all be achievable if all these Characters where on separate accounts but I am going to get completely screwed on some of them.. so thanks for that...................................................................................... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3677
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:37:00 -
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Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:Awesome change all in all, even though the imbusement has a big chance to completely mess with my skill plans. :)
Missing one single piece of information.
The EXACT datetime. You wrote to tell us "exactly [...] when this is happening". The only thing that can be interpreted as a date is 'within the Summer 2013 expansion". That is hardly exact.
How about something like, you know, a DATE? They can't give you what they don't know. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
tgl3
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
264
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:37:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:tgl3 wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Many people in situations similar to mine can currently fly the Archon with these skills: BS at V, JDO at 1, and Amarr Carrier at I.....
After this change, I will not be able to fly the Archon, as I wont have JDO V, let alone JFC or JDC
CCP CLEARLY state "if we can fly it today, we can fly it tomorrow.... "
Are you planning to address this?
You will still have the Carrier skill trained, so you can fly the ship. What you may NOT be able to do, is train the Carrier skill further. But I do have the carrier skill... and can easily fly EVERY CARRIER In the game simply by training it now..... To put it blatantly.... Today, I CAN FLY any regular carrier in this game.... (although I've only skill trained on the archon). I do NOT have JDO V, let alone JFC or JDC.... With the changes, I could NOT FLY a regular carrier when the skiil changes happen.... This is a direct contradiction to the quote: If you can fly it today, you can fly it tomorrow.... How does CCP plan to address this? If you do not have the other carrier skills trained, then you cannot fly them and therefore would not be able to after the change regardless.
Quote:*Edit* I misread the post above me.... so I could continue to fly the archon.... I just wouldn't be able to further train it until the Correct Member of the EVE Blog Pack - Through Newb Eyes Twitter - TG_3 |
Madlof Chev
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
103
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:38:00 -
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calm yourselves, the world isn't ending
Now, I've seen quite a few "OH GOD THE REQUIREMENTS FOR MY FAVORITE SHIP ARE CHANGING UNDER ME MY LIFE NO LONGER MAKES SENSE" posts, so let's clear this up:
The most important thing to know about this is the way that the nested skill system in EVE works.
As long as you have the top level prerequisites for a ship, regardless of what their pre-requisites are, you will still be able to use that ship. Here's an example (we'll use the Revelation).
The main additions here are requiring Capital Ships III and Tactical Weapon Reconfiguration I (thereby requiring Advanced Weapon Upgrades V).
Now, you ask, what if I all ready have a Revelation that I'm able to fly now? Am I no longer able to fly it? Do I get Siege and Capital Ships III for free?
The answer to both of those questions is no. Due to you already having JDO I, Capital Ships I, and Amarr Dreadnought I, the prerequisites system no longer cares about everything nested underneath it.
This works the same with T2 guns - if you have specialization skills but lose Turret V, you keep your ability to use those T2 guns. You can no longer train the skills any further if you don't have the prerequisites for the skill, but you keep the skills as they are.
Thankfully, CCP's prerequisites for a lot of things are pretty sane and things that you want anyway to fly that class of ship (apart from Energy Grid Upgrades V for HACs what the christ), so you will probably end up training those prereqs anyway if you don't have them.
To sum up:
Yes, you can still fly your ships. No, you won't get any free SP. Yes, you should probably train those prerequisites anyway. |
Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
51
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:38:00 -
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Artemis Picoazaksat wrote:So let me get this Straight:
I have BC5 and Destroyer 5 so I am fine on the T1 BC and Destroyers
If I want to continue to just use my carrier as a Ship Hauler. I will have to get Capital Ships 4 as it is currently only at 3?
If I want to use all the Command Ship that I can Currently I will have to get ALL the leadership skills to 5!? If that is the case then it is ridiculous and adds 51 Days of training for link I don't use.
For my Freighter ALT to continue to use it Charon I am going to have to train Advanced Spaceship Command 5 which is currently at Advanced Spaceship Command 4 adding 23 Days so if I don't have it by the time the Patch Hits, what? I cannot use it anymore? IF so that is complete BS!
And on all three of my Mining ALT's I am going to have to training Mining Frigate 3.
This would all be achievable if all these Characters where on separate accounts but I am going to get completely screwed on some of them.. so thanks for that......................................................................................
None of that is true. There has just been a failure to communicate. |
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Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
240
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:38:00 -
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Artemis Picoazaksat wrote:So let me get this Straight: You misunderstood. If you can fly it now, you'll get all skills to fly them later for free. |
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus Aeterna Anima
17
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:39:00 -
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Artemis Picoazaksat wrote:So let me get this Straight:
I have BC5 and Destroyer 5 so I am fine on the T1 BC and Destroyers
If I want to continue to just use my carrier as a Ship Hauler. I will have to get Capital Ships 4 as it is currently only at 3?
If I want to use all the Command Ship that I can Currently I will have to get ALL the leadership skills to 5!? If that is the case then it is ridiculous and adds 51 Days of training for link I don't use.
For my Freighter ALT to continue to use it Charon I am going to have to train Advanced Spaceship Command 5 which is currently at Advanced Spaceship Command 4 adding 23 Days so if I don't have it by the time the Patch Hits, what? I cannot use it anymore? IF so that is complete BS!
And on all three of my Mining ALT's I am going to have to training Mining Frigate 3.
This would all be achievable if all these Characters where on separate accounts but I am going to get completely screwed on some of them.. so thanks for that......................................................................................
Please reread some of the comments that were already answered, specifically those making a distinction between ship and skill requirements.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3677
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:42:00 -
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Aineko Macx wrote:Artemis Picoazaksat wrote:So let me get this Straight: You misunderstood. If you can fly it now, you'll get all skills to fly them later for free. No, that's not true at all. If you can fly it now, you already have all the skills to fly it even after the change.
For example, I have Heavy Assault Ships trained to 4, but I do not have Energy Grid Upgrades 5. When the skill requirements are changed, the HAS (will become HAC) skill will have a prerequisite of EGU 5. Since I already have HAS injected I don't need EGU 5 in order to train it, nor will I need it to fly my Zealot. Essentially I'll be grandfathered in. However CCP will not give me EGU 5. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Dato Koppla
Rage of Inferno Malefic Motives
120
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:45:00 -
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Wow thank god I got my HAC skill already, Energy Grid Upgrades V is a horrible skill to have to train, would be nice to include a reasoning why. If it was to keep a similar training time thats kinda lame.
So does this also mean I can't train my HAC skill from IV to V without training EGU V first after patch hits? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3677
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:46:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Wow thank god I got my HAC skill already, Energy Grid Upgrades V is a horrible skill to have to train, would be nice to include a reasoning why. If it was to keep a similar training time thats kinda lame.
So does this also mean I can't train my HAC skill from IV to V without training EGU V first after patch hits? See above. Several people in this thread have stated that they have been able to train skills even after losing a prerequisite for that skill (for example, a cyno alt loses electronics 5, but is still able to train cyno field generation). Prerequisites are required to inject the skill, beyond that they do not affect your ability to train it or use any items or ships that are unlocked by that skill. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Juwi Kotch
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
5
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:47:00 -
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Generally, I like the changes. I can then train the Carrier, Dread, and Freighter skills instantly, without having to train the racial Battleship and Industrial skills to lvl5 first, since I have all non-Gallente already to lvl3. Since I have all the other prereq skills for my Gallente specialization already (with the exception of Capital Ships, which I have only at lvl3 atm, but which is not very problematic to train to lvl4), I'm fine. For me, this change reduces training time for non-Gallente cap ships by months. And just in time, as this was on my plan for the second half of this year. "Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime, and every kindness, we birth our future." Sonmi-451 |
Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
51
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:50:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:Wow thank god I got my HAC skill already, Energy Grid Upgrades V is a horrible skill to have to train, would be nice to include a reasoning why. If it was to keep a similar training time thats kinda lame.
So does this also mean I can't train my HAC skill from IV to V without training EGU V first after patch hits? See above. Several people in this thread have stated that they have been able to train skills even after losing a prerequisite for that skill (for example, a cyno alt loses electronics 5, but is still able to train cyno field generation). Prerequisites are required to inject the skill, beyond that they do not affect your ability to train it or use any items or ships that are unlocked by that skill.
Except several people have said the reverse, and a dev has essentially confirmed it (though not unambiguously, IMO).
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Ingen Kerr
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:51:00 -
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Aineko Macx wrote:Dedicated supercap chars should get their skillpoints for racial BS 4 and 5 reimbursed.
How about all these drones I can't use anymore? |
Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
193
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:51:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:FinalFlash84 wrote:According to your explanation, shouldn't the DD prereqs (like Science V, EPW V and AWU V) also be added to the titan?
edit: Also Fighter V and EW V for supercarriers Ideally, yes, but we wanted to keep close hard training times, so we had to take a pick between the Doomsday and the Jump Portal.
Do it right!
it is not suppose to be easy to get into a titan or a supercarrier, add them both to the requisites list: Doomsday + Jump Portal
In the case of a super carrier add Fighter Bombers to the requirements and done it right, nobody is supose to fly one without them anyway... Allow us to change characters of the same account without the need to logout and put the password again. |
Bariolage
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:52:00 -
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Most thorough blog post ever. 6 pages of questions in 3 hours. |
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