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Willem Teleata
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.10 17:45:00 -
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Hi guys, sorry for those noob questions in advance: as you can see i am new at eve. Recently bought a destroyer to do some missions; and now i wanted to cruise a little bit around in lowsec, maybe finding some precious minerals. I got a warning though: You are entering lowsec and you will die instantly (something like that). I thought i am not even worth the ammunition yet people would have to spend to kill me (what would they get out of my ship, some railguns?). Can you tell me please, how dangerous lowsec really is? Is it worth to explore a little bit, alone? Is a destroyer sufficient or should i have something bigger? Thanks a lot! |
Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
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Posted - 2013.02.10 18:06:00 -
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Lowsec is not dangerous at all, if you practice good skills. The most common method of death in lowsec is from gate camps, people sit in ships sensor boosted to lock all but the smallest of ships, warp scramble them when they try to fly off, then blow them up. That is why having a friend go through with a shuttle or something is a good way to figure out if a system is camped. Otherwise in the rest of lowsec the biggest thing is to not make yourself an easy target, if pirates come in dock up or cloak at a safe spot. Lowsec is not really good on isk unless you have lots of friends to help defend your little pocket. I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart. |
Dr Strange Love
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.10 18:06:00 -
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Lowsec is perfectly safe as long as you don't get caught.
Just dive in, see what happens. |
Caerfinon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.10 18:08:00 -
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To paraphrase Thomas Hobbes, Life in Eve is "nasty, brutish, and short"... more so in Low Sec. So travel with friends, or keep looking over your shoulder ever few seconds.
Remember to try and smile when they pod you. |
Willem Teleata
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.10 18:18:00 -
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Thank you again; so maybe I will try and just see what happens. I do not know if my skills are OK or not. The more i read the more i am confused; regarding skills, ships, income, careers, other people. Thats a huge game, eve... See you out there! |
J'Poll
The Fiction Factory Tribal Band
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Posted - 2013.02.10 18:18:00 -
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Willem Teleata wrote:Hi guys, sorry for those noob questions in advance: as you can see i am new at eve. Recently bought a destroyer to do some missions; and now i wanted to cruise a little bit around in lowsec, maybe finding some precious minerals. I got a warning though: You are entering lowsec and you will die instantly (something like that). I thought i am not even worth the ammunition yet people would have to spend to kill me (what would they get out of my ship, some railguns?). Can you tell me please, how dangerous lowsec really is? Is it worth to explore a little bit, alone? Is a destroyer sufficient or should i have something bigger? Thanks a lot!
The danger of lowsec depends on: * where you go * when you go. * who you encounter * what tactics you use to keep yourself safe.
Is it worth to at least jump in once to see how it is: Definately YES. Cant judge something if you havent tried it.
Destoyer or better?
Depends on: * what do you want to do there. * what can you afford to replace. Buddy invite offer Corporation Recruitment |
Willem Teleata
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.10 18:21:00 -
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Ha! What do i want to do there? I honestly do not know, yet The loss of my ship would be affrodable... Thanks for the post!!! |
Charlepetit LaJoie
Trust Me Ltd
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Posted - 2013.02.10 18:46:00 -
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The safety of lowsec can vary greatly from one system to another. The general danger is often exaggerated, though there are certainly a lot of players there looking for some pvp.
I would not suggest flying a larger (and slower) ship. Small, cheap, very fast ships are more likely to escape any pirate trouble while you are still getting your feet wet, and they are less painful to replace when an experienced or lucky pirate does manage to catch you. |
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
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Posted - 2013.02.10 19:33:00 -
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Are you just wandering, and not really stopping anywhere or going anywhere specific? Yeah, you'll probably be fine, the only thing you might hit is a gate-camp, and if that happens just replace your ship and move on, it's just a destroyer.
Are you stopping for long periods to mine in belts, or otherwise hang around in easily-located points in space? Yup, you're gonna die more or less inevitably if you don't keep an eye on your dscan/local channel and dodge out when people find you.
Remember that you destroyer isn't _profitable_ to destroy, but it's also not _difficult_ to destroy. There's more than one way to tip that risk/reward ratio low enough to make killing you worth it, the numerator can move too. |
Centurion Talicus
Zuiderzee corporation The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2013.02.10 19:49:00 -
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Things to avoid - Low-sec systems that are directly connected to high-sec - These are the most commonly camped + busiest with people looking to make scrap-metal out of your destroyer, they want the kill not the loot so don't assume being in a cheap ship/fit will protect you.
If you're mining, align to a planet or other 'Celestial' so you can instantly warp out if someone turns up. Don't wait to see if they're hostile, 9/10 they are.
The deeper into low-sec you go the quieter it gets, you might struggle with the rats in a destroyer though, especially with low skills.
Don't get me wrong, low-sec can be a LOT of fun, and escaping hostiles and living to tell the tale is great. Getting blown up by them is also great. Don't start trolling people who kill you, talk to them and a lot will give you tips on how to avoid it in future.
Final thing, even if you die, and you will, don't give up on it. I've lost more ships in low sec than any of the wars I've been in but it's still some of the most fun I've had on Eve.
/Carebear out |
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Willem Teleata
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.10 20:03:00 -
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Hey again, thanks guys, for all the hints and tips. Really appreciated. Looking forward to beeing blown up the first time, hehe. And currently i am building up my skills regarding combat instead of mining... |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.10 20:19:00 -
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There's a myth from either NPC corps, the help channel or who knows where else, that there's a gate camp in every lowsec system. There's really not, not even close. And looking at it from the other side, a frigate can often warp away before anything locks onto it.
If you just want to check out the different rats and asteroids in lowsec, I'd recommend a region like Solitude. As the name suggests, its really, reeeeeallly quiet out there. If you're more into the social aspects of lowsec, just go to one of the Faction Warfare regions, around Black Rise and Placid. You're sure to meet lots of interesting people. |
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
283
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Posted - 2013.02.10 20:24:00 -
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Takseen wrote:There's a myth from either NPC corps, the help channel or who knows where else, that there's a gate camp in every lowsec system. There's really not, not even close. And looking at it from the other side, a frigate can often warp away before anything locks onto it.
In all fairness, there usually is a gate camp on every _route_, at least during popular hours. Which is why wandering aimlessly tends to make you immune, people that set up a camp are going to do it in a place that's on the autopilot route for most paths between, say, two bits of high-sec on shortest route, not out in the random boonies that you have to go 6 jumps out of your way to find for an incredibly low chance of finding prey. |
Juny Wuny
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.10 20:51:00 -
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A good way to avoid lowsec gate camps is to avoid systems that are on the major trade hub "routes." Example: Jita to Rens shortest route runs you through Rancer. Also popular to put gate camps on systems that link to highly populated high sec systems.
Really aimlessly flying around lowsec isn't THAT dangerous it all depends on where you are and who you encounter. Flying around in a fast ship is a good idea until you know the area. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
203
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Posted - 2013.02.10 20:57:00 -
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As an example I flew 5 Rifters 5+ jumps into the Gallente-Caldari FW zone from highsec this afternoon. Only lost one. |
Sairi Katelin
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.10 21:13:00 -
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Same as nullsec, after you have warped away from the other side of the gate that you entered from, it's not half bad. Check your star map before entering. If you see it lit up with more than one pod kill in the last hour, don't enter through that gate. |
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
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Posted - 2013.02.10 23:57:00 -
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Charlepetit LaJoie wrote:I would not suggest flying a larger (and slower) ship. Small, cheap, very fast ships are more likely to escape any pirate trouble while you are still getting your feet wet, and they are less painful to replace when an experienced or lucky pirate does manage to catch you.
This is true.
Until you run into a disco-ball battleship like I did |
Absolon Echerie
Gulag Industries
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:00:00 -
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Just before you go in look at the map go to statistics -> ships destroyed last hour / 24 hours. if it pops up big, avoid it if you want to keep your ship, since it may be camped.
for example Ihakana is gate-camped a lot due to traffic for some high-reward / standing missions. (from personal experience)
yes these people say they pvp but do not use skill for it since they kill PVE-fitted ships, so fitting a bit for pvp if you go roam in low sec may help. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:21:00 -
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dude. this thread is 40 days old.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Praxis Ginimic
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:32:00 -
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My very first loss was a noob mistake in low sec. I was ratting belts when a catalyst warped in at 0. He didn't have a negative sec status so I just said "hi" in local. Then got blown up and podded home. Just because they are neutral on your overview doesn't mean they want to be friends. That said, low sec is perfectly safe if you don't smoke a joint before hand. Go out, lose that dessi, learn from your mistakes and have fun. Welcome to Eve |
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
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Posted - 2013.03.21 15:39:00 -
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True, lowsec is usually safer when the pirates are doing the smoking. |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
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Posted - 2013.03.21 18:04:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:...low sec is perfectly safe if you don't smoke a joint before hand.
Is there a story you want to share with us?
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Mangala Solaris for CSM 8 |
Monnty
MIN0R THREAT
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Posted - 2013.03.21 20:20:00 -
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I heartily encourage you to jump in,
I did a few days ago and have not come out since
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
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Posted - 2013.03.22 11:25:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:True, lowsec is usually safer when the pirates are doing the smoking.
Depends, their reaction time is slower, but they also think ganking you repeatedly is much funnier.
I usually assume pirates are on ********* by default, FW people are (angry) drunk, and RvB folk have had a shot of Red Bull and an illegal handful of Ritalin.
No excuse for NPC 0.0 people, they're just kind of dicks.
(I didn't mention High-sec or Sov because, sober or not, carebearin' it doesn't really count. Technically economics-style PvP is still PvP, but it's not what worries you when you're hanging out doing your thing, you generally have to intentionally participate.) |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
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Posted - 2013.03.26 07:24:00 -
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Lost Greybeard wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:True, lowsec is usually safer when the pirates are doing the smoking. Depends, their reaction time is slower, but they also think ganking you repeatedly is much funnier. I usually assume pirates are on ********* by default, FW people are (angry) drunk, and RvB folk have had a shot of Red Bull and an illegal handful of Ritalin. No excuse for NPC 0.0 people, they're just kind of dicks. (I didn't mention High-sec or Sov because, sober or not, carebearin' it doesn't really count. Technically economics-style PvP is still PvP, but it's not what worries you when you're hanging out doing your thing, you generally have to intentionally participate.)
You know what, this might actually be quite an accurate breakdown. I am sure you can recommend us specific susbstances to enhance our mood in wspace too
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Andracin
Sickology
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Posted - 2013.03.26 07:54:00 -
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Low sec is not any more dangerous than any other security. In many aspects it is safer and more comfortable than high sec. For instance when you see a neutral or red in local you can pretty much assume that they want to kill you. Even the more carebear citizens in low sec usually will take an oportuinisitc kill if given the option. The only real danger is the first jump in which is sometimes camped. After that as long as you don't go tripping through major faction war areas your pretty much safe as long as you keep your d-scanner up and an eye on local. There are even some regions of low-sec that are so dead you can play for hours or days with no visitors.... In high sec you got to wonder if that ship that just yellow boxed you at the gate is a noob or a cargo scanning alt with a fleet of tornados waiting for you or watch some prick prober ninja your mission knowing if you shoot him your going to get ganked. You can calmly be smoking a blunt and mining veld minding your own business when a couple destroyers land on your face. Maybe its just me but I prefer the cut and dried "rules" in lowsec to the boring uncertainty of high. |
Andracin
Sickology
71
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Posted - 2013.03.26 07:58:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:True, lowsec is usually safer when the pirates are doing the smoking.
Funny you should say that cause one of my corp mates has a "magic bong" when he ripps it we usually get epic fights/kills..... |
Yutou Narukami
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.26 10:23:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:Lost Greybeard wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:True, lowsec is usually safer when the pirates are doing the smoking. Depends, their reaction time is slower, but they also think ganking you repeatedly is much funnier. I usually assume pirates are on ********* by default, FW people are (angry) drunk, and RvB folk have had a shot of Red Bull and an illegal handful of Ritalin. No excuse for NPC 0.0 people, they're just kind of dicks. (I didn't mention High-sec or Sov because, sober or not, carebearin' it doesn't really count. Technically economics-style PvP is still PvP, but it's not what worries you when you're hanging out doing your thing, you generally have to intentionally participate.) You know what, this might actually be quite an accurate breakdown. I am sure you can recommend us specific susbstances to enhance our mood in wspace too
You know, I'm pretty sure the laughing fit I just had was disproportionate to the comedic value of this statement, but what the hell. Pass that stuff along I say.
Anyways, haven't journeyed into lowsec/nullsec as of yet, closest I've gotten is 0.6. However, I figure that even in lowsec it'd be hard to be spotted by an actual player, I mean depending on the size of the system and the amount of players there, the real only chance you have of getting podded by a player is when you first exit the gate, I mean they can only see you if you're within so many km. Once you make that first warp to whatever asteroid belt you plan on mining, finding you is a matter of "here's a haystack, find the needle." Set a tab on your overview to monitor nearby player ships and if you see one, stay out of sight. Even if it doesn't look like they're out for blood, keep an escape route handy so you can AP out of there if they get too close for comfort. As for rats, well, even if the NPC's waste your ship they'll never podkill you, just make sure the route you take back to the station is devoid of players. (Course I don't really see the point of podding someone if they warp in minus their ship, but not everyone's that merciful, some people are just sadistic like that.)
Now as for that first journey through the gate, well, like Echerie-san said if there's a lot of recent podkills chances are the gate's camped so I would avoid that system for now. Also never AP when traveling, only use it when someone's bearing down on you and you need a 1-click GTFO option. AP is ridiculously slow and is more risky because you have to fly 10 km or so at normal speed, whereas manual flight drops you right on top of the station or gate. Finally, if you do get caught in a gate camp, pray that either A) you have an insurance policy and an up-to-date clone, or B) those pirates are drunk as monkeys, high as kites, or some combination of both and that you happen to be (relatively) sober enough to get out of there before their brains can process the thought of "there's a guy, lets pod him."
I'm rather new to this myself but this is the general tourist guide to lowsec I'll be following tomorrow once I start mining those systems. For now though, it's 4 in the morning and I gotta be up at 9 for work and class so goodnight. |
Disastro
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.03.26 11:29:00 -
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Willem Teleata wrote:Hi guys, sorry for those noob questions in advance: as you can see i am new at eve. Recently bought a destroyer to do some missions; and now i wanted to cruise a little bit around in lowsec, maybe finding some precious minerals. I got a warning though: You are entering lowsec and you will die instantly (something like that). I thought i am not even worth the ammunition yet people would have to spend to kill me (what would they get out of my ship, some railguns?). Can you tell me please, how dangerous lowsec really is? Is it worth to explore a little bit, alone? Is a destroyer sufficient or should i have something bigger? Thanks a lot!
The most dangerous place in low sec tends to be the gate from high sec. Once you are deeper in you are safer. Just keep in mind that any neutral you see in local can and probably will shoot you if they get the chance. You are safer on station or on a gate than you are in a belt or mission. But people can and will shoot you on gate or on station if they are in a ship that can tank the guns.
A destroyer is fine for going into low sec. The bigger the ship, tbh, the more attention you will draw. Taking a battleship in is likely to bring people looking for you so they can kill you. In a frig or destroyer you wont have such problems.
Scout the gate from high sec to low sec with your pod and then if its fairly clear in local then go explore. Forget about making riches off of the ore though. Low sec ores are not any more valuable than high sec ones. The only ones which are rare enough to be worth any more than the high sec ones are in null sec. |
Wodensun
ZeroSec
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Posted - 2013.03.27 09:22:00 -
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uhmm somebody get a blaster this necro aint dead yet... |
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