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Desimus Maximus
Adiumentum.
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Posted - 2013.02.12 07:06:00 -
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Since no players can decisively say whether Bot Mining or Macro Mining is legal... Wasn't botting dealt with a few months back?
I leave it to a CCP Dev to answer once and for all.
IMO both would be a 100% cheat. I can live with multi-boxing should someone have the will and determination, but I am interested in hearing it from a credible source, not 100 pilots with 100 different rumors. |
Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.12 07:19:00 -
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botting and macros are two totally different things, don't confuse them. |
bufnitza calatoare
Nex Angelus. Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.02.12 07:22:00 -
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any action in game that uses a 3rd party application to mimic player actions while not at the keyboard is illegal and will get you banned. |
Lovely Dumplings
Lambda Mining
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Posted - 2013.02.12 07:23:00 -
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Here's your CCP official answer at http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp Section 6-A-3
You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. I support James 315, and mine according to the-áTHE NEW HALAIMA CODE. Vote James 315, the CSM Rep Highsec needs. www.minerbumping.com |
Desimus Maximus
Adiumentum.
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Posted - 2013.02.12 07:27:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:botting and macros are two totally different things, don't confuse them.
Did I give the impression I thought they were the same? Seems to me I clearly stated 2 different things.. Bot Mining and Macro Mining. |
Desimus Maximus
Adiumentum.
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Posted - 2013.02.12 07:33:00 -
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Lovely Dumplings wrote:Here's your CCP official answer at http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp Section 6-A-3 You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
Very well. I appreciate the knowledge. |
Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.12 07:40:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Kate stark wrote:botting and macros are two totally different things, don't confuse them. Did I give the impression I thought they were the same? Seems to me I clearly stated 2 different things.. Bot Mining and Macro Mining.
you did.
Desimus Maximus wrote:IMO both would be a 100% cheat. |
Desimus Maximus
Adiumentum.
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Posted - 2013.02.12 08:16:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote:Kate stark wrote:botting and macros are two totally different things, don't confuse them. Did I give the impression I thought they were the same? Seems to me I clearly stated 2 different things.. Bot Mining and Macro Mining. you did. Desimus Maximus wrote:IMO both would be a 100% cheat.
By both, it means, each of the separate items, Bot Mining and Macro Mining. You're either a great troll or a complete idiot. |
Violet Giraffe
Space Giraffes
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Posted - 2013.02.12 08:50:00 -
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Lovely Dumplings wrote: You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of ... at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play.
So it is fine to use stored keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of aforementioned resources at the same or slower rate as the ordinary gameplay? |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
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Posted - 2013.02.12 08:55:00 -
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Violet Giraffe wrote:Lovely Dumplings wrote: You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of ... at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play.
So it is fine to use stored keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of aforementioned resources at the same or slower rate as the ordinary gameplay?
you blind or just stupid ?
You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes
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Violet Giraffe
Space Giraffes
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Posted - 2013.02.12 08:57:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: you blind or just stupid ?
I ought to ask the same of you. The quoted EULA excerpt would have been clear if it wasn't for Quote:at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play qualification.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
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Posted - 2013.02.12 09:05:00 -
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Violet Giraffe wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: you blind or just stupid ?
I ought to ask the same of you. The quoted EULA excerpt would have been clear if it wasn't for Quote:at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play qualification.
if you are using a stored keystroke it is going to be faster then normal game play, why use them in the first place if they don't give you an advantage.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2013.02.12 09:07:00 -
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Both are not allowed.
The only macros that are allowed are short keyboard sequences and that do not automate your game play, like a macro for a gaming mouse where special buttons can be bound to keyboard presses (i.e. pressing F1+F2+F3+F4 at once).
Anything that lets you do stuff in the game without being at your keyboard, and thereby automating your game, is a violation. SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
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Posted - 2013.02.12 09:11:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Since no players can decisively say whether Bot Mining or Macro Mining is legal who on earth have you been asking!? |
Mai Khumm
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2013.02.12 09:12:00 -
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What is legal and what isn't depends on who you ask, and what alliance that person is in... *insert witty saying here* twitter - @AzamiNevinyrall |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.12 12:08:00 -
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"Legal" and "against the EULA" are two very different things.
No one's going to "do time" for running a bot in an mmo |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.12 12:10:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:"Legal" and "against the EULA" are two very different things.
No one's going to "do time" for running a bot in an mmo
For the purposes of the game, anything that is against the rules is defined as illegal as those rules are the law of the game which we agree to abide by. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.02.12 12:12:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Since no players can decisively say whether Bot Mining or Macro Mining is legal... GǪaside from anyone who's read the EULA. All the players who have done that (and quite a few more) can decisively say that neither is allowed. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.12 12:18:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Since no players can decisively say whether Bot Mining or Macro Mining is legal... Wasn't botting dealt with a few months back?
I leave it to a CCP Dev to answer once and for all.
IMO both would be a 100% cheat. I can live with multi-boxing should someone have the will and determination, but I am interested in hearing it from a credible source, not 100 pilots with 100 different rumors.
If you really want to try out some 3rd party program, Macro or whatever and are not sure about it, petition and wait your answer before using it. The worst thing to do is to come on forums ask about it because you'll get a shower of misunderstanding, ignorance and trolling.
Gò¡Gê¬Gò«n+ên+¦n++n+¦n+ëGò¡Gê¬Gò«-á don't haten++ |
Pap Uhotih
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.12 12:58:00 -
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Lovely Dumplings wrote:Here's your CCP official answer at http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp Section 6-A-3 You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
It is strange that it doesnt seem to specifically exclude an artificial intelligence from playing the game. Elsewhere it is clear that an AI could not register its own account but then there is no clear problem in sharing an account with an AI.
Id guess that the fuzzy issue with input is that not everyone that uses a computer is able to use a keyboard and mouse, there would be a need to allow for accessibility products which would/may be entirely dependant on macros etc.. That is likely why it is so hinged on the rate of play rather than any specific style of automation. |
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:13:00 -
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all bollox talk, marco or bot or use third part software or anything that's not allowed and you will get warned for first offence and banned after that.
if you're not happy with the players opinions, then off you go, break the game rules and enjoy the punishment. |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:33:00 -
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is this a serious thread? Are we starting phylosofic speculation about what is botting and what not? AI autonomously subscribing EVE accounts, fuzzy logic, string theory....?? All this to justify or creating grey areas for ******** botting tools? We all perfecly know what is a bot, what is illegal and how they're disruptive for the any game.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:53:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:is this a serious thread? Are we starting phylosofic speculation about what is botting and what not? AI autonomously subscribing EVE accounts, fuzzy logic, string theory....?? All this to justify or creating grey areas for ******** botting tools? We all perfecly know what is a bot, what is illegal and how they're disruptive for the any game.
well said, i've no idea why i even answered, the more i look the more i see troll. |
Hammer Borne
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.12 14:13:00 -
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If you have to ask the question, then don't do it. Instead, I recommend playing the game normally. Dig the remaining thread of your moral fiber out of your hollow shell of a body and do what is right.
Also, think about the orphans. |
Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
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Posted - 2013.02.12 15:54:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Violet Giraffe wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:you blind or just stupid ? I ought to ask the same of you. The quoted EULA excerpt would have been clear if it wasn't for Quote:at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play qualification. if you are using a stored keystroke it is going to be faster then normal game play, why use them in the first place if they don't give you an advantage.
Even at the normal or slow then normal rate you would be able to make isk while afk or semi afk, which i why this by definition is a banable offense. I think the legal loop hole would be that the EULA says it's only illegal at an accelerated rate, and lets say someone actually playing the game is making 10M isk/h, and you can make 5M isk/h with recorded keystrokes then you would not break the EULA.
Personally i think it would be foolish to actually test this theory in-game, i think you can be pretty sure you will get a ban if you get caught. |
Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.12 16:42:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Kate stark wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote:Kate stark wrote:botting and macros are two totally different things, don't confuse them. Did I give the impression I thought they were the same? Seems to me I clearly stated 2 different things.. Bot Mining and Macro Mining. you did. Desimus Maximus wrote:IMO both would be a 100% cheat. By both, it means, each of the separate items, Bot Mining and Macro Mining. You're either a great troll or a complete idiot.
depending on who you ask, i'm both. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.12 16:43:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:I leave it to a CCP Dev to answer once and for all.
Good luck with that. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.12 16:46:00 -
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Mai Khumm wrote:What is legal and what isn't depends on who you ask, and what alliance that person is in...
This. QFT "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac |
Violet Giraffe
Space Giraffes
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Posted - 2013.02.12 20:53:00 -
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Dante Uisen wrote:I think the legal loop hole would be that the EULA says it's only illegal at an accelerated rate That is what I wanted to clarify. If any macro is bannable regardless of speed, why does EULA say what it says? The message is clear - macros that act at the same or lower speed than regular gameplay are valid. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
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Posted - 2013.02.13 12:55:00 -
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Violet Giraffe wrote:Dante Uisen wrote:I think the legal loop hole would be that the EULA says it's only illegal at an accelerated rate That is what I wanted to clarify. If any macro is bannable regardless of speed, why does EULA say what it says? The message is clear - macros that act at the same or lower speed than regular gameplay are valid.
dude don't try dancing around EULA, you do not own your account, you are leasing it, you do anything that CCP deems as out of order and they will remove your **** fater than you can type BOT. |
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