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Equto
Imperium Technologies Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:16:00 -
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Whitehound wrote: There is an API for it. EVEMon and EVEAsset use it and you can view your market orders, as well as contracts, transactions, journals and assets with it.
Small amounts of market orders that are cached at 30 minutes or more isn't that big of a problem nor are the API request large in any way. Imagine pulling just all the market orders in jita, the XML would be several kilobytes.
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
754
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:17:00 -
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Whitehound wrote: There is an API for it. EVEMon and EVEAsset use it and you can view your market orders, as well as contracts, transactions, journals and assets with it.
you don't know what you are talking about.
cache scraping is used to get a full set of orders for an item (what you'd get when clicking the "Export to File" button in the market window), not just your own orders.
eve caches all market orders for items you view for a few minutes, so a common practice is to use IGB javascript to cycle through items and use a cache scraper to extract the information (and then upload it to eve-central or analyze it in a tool of your own).
you could achieve the same thing by going manually through a list of items clicking "Export To File" on each one. I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Cotic
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:17:00 -
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Cursan Voran wrote:Sreegs you have won this one by a knockout.
Go do something else for a few hours and let us players deal with the dicks in this thread...
This. Tesco tinfoil (infected with horse meat) is selling out like nothing I've ever seen before. |
Garcia Arnst
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:18:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Whitehound wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:In my opinion cache scraping is illegal. It has always been said that modifying the client, either on the network, on the disk or in memory, is against the EULA. Cache scraping is read only. No modification. Depends on what "scraping" really means. I understand it as "modifying" the cache. Why would you call it "scrapping" when you are reading it?
Because you are 'scraping' (extracting) information out of it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_scraping
If this is now against the EULA, then using any of the market sites which utilise scrapers would also be against the EULA (eve-central etc). |
Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:18:00 -
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Andski wrote:You're talking about something that is quite different from merely collecting market data for eve central, fyi
How is that relevant?, i'm allowed to parse the cache files. For some reason CCP Sreegs Sreegs seem to believe that using the javascript function to access market information is in violation of the EULA.
If they banned the guy for writing a program that CCP has allowed players to use, it's pretty ****** up. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1336
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:20:00 -
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Hannott Thanos wrote:CCP Sreegs, not the hero we want, but the hero we need.
He's Batman?
Figures lol, I saw him in my neighborhood last night and thought "That's either Sreegs in a Batman costume, or I'm getting carjacked". Now someone Tell Sreegs to bring my damn car back.
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
754
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:20:00 -
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Cotic wrote:Cursan Voran wrote:Sreegs you have won this one by a knockout.
Go do something else for a few hours and let us players deal with the dicks in this thread... This. Tesco tinfoil (infected with horse meat) is selling out like nothing I've ever seen before. he just told a few thousand unsuspecting evemon users that they are in violation of the EULA.
what do you expect to happen? I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
751
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:22:00 -
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Octaviun wrote:Now all I'm seeing is people baiting a Dev. baiting? all I'm seeing is people batting a Dev with a nail bat. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1336
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:22:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote: 3) The only authority higher than the Director of Security for these complaints is the Executive Producer and then the CEO. This is a higher level of escalation than the Customer Service arm and IA automatically looks at our work.
you don't see a potential conflict of interest in IA being part of a team it is tasked to investigate? Only in a creepy shadow world where nobody in our chain can be trusted. In this case none of us would be employable by anyone so while it might make for interesting eve news tinfoil fodder it really doesn't have much basis in reality. In reality I'm the one who watches the watchers.
But who is watching you while you watch the watchers....who are watching us watch you? Gawd Damn it felt good to type that for some reason. Also friends don't let friends post drunk.
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
233
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:22:00 -
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The capacity for a very small group of people to take this game way too seriously never ceases to amaze me.
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Whitehound
753
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:23:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Whitehound wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Whitehound wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:In my opinion cache scraping is illegal. It has always been said that modifying the client, either on the network, on the disk or in memory, is against the EULA. Cache scraping is read only. No modification. Depends on what "scraping" really means. I understand it as "modifying" the cache. Why would you call it "scrapping" when you are reading it? it's a standing expression - just like "web scraping" (which doesn't modify any websites either) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_scraping Well, it does modify web servers as it can create unwanted load and should not be taken as granted. Do it too much and it can turn into an unintentional DoS attack. SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |
Cursan Voran
Jita Traders Society
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:23:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Cotic wrote:Cursan Voran wrote:Sreegs you have won this one by a knockout.
Go do something else for a few hours and let us players deal with the dicks in this thread... This. Tesco tinfoil (infected with horse meat) is selling out like nothing I've ever seen before. he just told a few thousand unsuspecting evemon users that they are in violation of the EULA. what do you expect to happen?
Nothing because he never said that?
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Equto
Imperium Technologies Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:24:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Well, it does modify web servers as it can create unwanted load and should not be taken as granted. Do it too much and it can turn into an unintentional DoS attack. Still nothing is modified, once the DoS is done then the website will still be there exactly the same as before the DoS. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1138
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:26:00 -
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Cursan Voran wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:Cotic wrote:Cursan Voran wrote:Sreegs you have won this one by a knockout.
Go do something else for a few hours and let us players deal with the dicks in this thread... This. Tesco tinfoil (infected with horse meat) is selling out like nothing I've ever seen before. he just told a few thousand unsuspecting evemon users that they are in violation of the EULA. what do you expect to happen? Nothing because he never said that?
Evemon has a market cache scraper built into it now. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
969
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:26:00 -
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Chap was caught botting.
Said chap biomassed and donated illegal isk to a player corp.
Illegal isk was removed from game.
Well done Screegs and his crew.
This is not a signature. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
755
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:26:00 -
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Cursan Voran wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:Cotic wrote:Cursan Voran wrote:Sreegs you have won this one by a knockout.
Go do something else for a few hours and let us players deal with the dicks in this thread... This. Tesco tinfoil (infected with horse meat) is selling out like nothing I've ever seen before. he just told a few thousand unsuspecting evemon users that they are in violation of the EULA. what do you expect to happen? Nothing because he never said that? he said quite clearly that he considers cache scraping illegal (i.e. against the eula as we certainly are not talking about rl laws here).
Quote:Evemon has a cache scraper built into it now. not just built-in but activated by default - it even turned itself back on after a recent update although I had deactivated it beforehand. I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Whitehound
754
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:26:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Cotic wrote:Cursan Voran wrote:Sreegs you have won this one by a knockout.
Go do something else for a few hours and let us players deal with the dicks in this thread... This. Tesco tinfoil (infected with horse meat) is selling out like nothing I've ever seen before. he just told a few thousand unsuspecting evemon users that they are in violation of the EULA. what do you expect to happen? EVEMon does not touch local files from what I know. EVEMon uses the EVE API. There is a thread on the forums for it and CCP has not locked it. So I understand that this tool is officially allowed and it has been for a long time now. SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
755
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:29:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:Cotic wrote:Cursan Voran wrote:Sreegs you have won this one by a knockout.
Go do something else for a few hours and let us players deal with the dicks in this thread... This. Tesco tinfoil (infected with horse meat) is selling out like nothing I've ever seen before. he just told a few thousand unsuspecting evemon users that they are in violation of the EULA. what do you expect to happen? EVEMon does not touch local files from what I know. EVEMon uses the EVE API. There is a thread on the forums for it and CCP has not locked it. So I understand that this tool is officially allowed and it has been for a long time now. http://i.imgur.com/ulHNYPw.jpg
this box is ticked by default.
now please stop spreading disinfiormation I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Garcia Arnst
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:30:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:EVEMon does not touch local files from what I know. EVEMon uses the EVE API. There is a thread on the forums for it and CCP has not locked it. So I understand that this tool is officially allowed and it has been for a long time now.
You don't know what you are talking about:
"* EVEMon now has a Market Unified Uploader"
See here: http://evemon.battleclinic.com/changelogs.php#ixzz2Kgv3CVd3"
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Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
14
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:30:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:EVEMon does not touch local files from what I know. EVEMon uses the EVE API. There is a thread on the forums for it and CCP has not locked it. So I understand that this tool is officially allowed and it has been for a long time now.
I think market uploader is enabled by default, which makes evemon parse the cache files and upload data to eg. eve central. |
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Nex apparatu5
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
458
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:31:00 -
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If you're still reading this Sreegs, thank you for coming in here and defending yourself rather than ignoring the thread.
It's little things like this that make me love CCP. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1336
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:32:00 -
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I know I'm drunk (yay vacation time), but is anyone else finding this thread hilarious? Also is bourbon a bad thing at 7:29 in the morning?
On a more serious (but still drunk) note: whoever suggested that "Internal Affairs" shouldn't be internal doesn't understand words in English lol. My Department's IA is a REAL IA (with cops in it lol) and from the outside it all looks so buddy buddy and "they protect their own/blue wall of silence" crap. The truth is those guys would charge their mothers with misconduct if they worked for out police department and didn't follow policy to the letter.
Seeing how psyco Iceland folk are, I'd be willing to bet CCP's IA is worse (itching to sack their GRAND mothers or something)... |
Whitehound
754
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:33:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:http://i.imgur.com/ulHNYPw.jpg
this box is ticked by default.
now please stop spreading disinfiormation EVEMon reads your orders from the EVE API and uploads it to EVE Central. It does not touch local files from what I know. SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1336
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:33:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:If you're still reading this Sreegs, thank you for coming in here and defending yourself rather than ignoring the thread.
It's little things like this that make me love CCP.
the way you said that makes it sound so......"alternative lifestyle" . So you like Sreeg's little things?
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1138
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:34:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I know I'm drunk (yay vacation time), but is anyone else finding this thread hilarious? Also is bourbon a bad thing at 7:29 in the morning?
That depends when you started drinking.
Bourbon's not a 'I just got up' drink.
But it's fine as a 'I'm still up' drink.
FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
1138
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:35:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:http://i.imgur.com/ulHNYPw.jpg
this box is ticked by default.
now please stop spreading disinfiormation EVEMon reads your orders from the EVE API and uploads it to EVE Central. It does not touch local files from what I know.
You're wrong. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Pewty McPew
Pillage Plunder And Rape Industries
172
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:35:00 -
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He got busted botting, ragequit eve, gave his illgotten ISK to a corp. They in turn had the ISK removed and now your whining about it. (Call a Waaaambulance)
Good job CCP, keep up the good work. |
Johnny Rook
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
37
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:36:00 -
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Kelduum wants special treatment, nbs |
Whitehound
754
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:36:00 -
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Equto wrote:Whitehound wrote:Well, it does modify web servers as it can create unwanted load and should not be taken as granted. Do it too much and it can turn into an unintentional DoS attack. Still nothing is modified, once the DoS is done then the website will still be there exactly the same as before the DoS. The point is not about what you think it does, but about what the owner of the web site thinks. So you can insist on just reading the site, but this alone can get you into trouble and should not be taken lightly as I already said can turn into a DoS attack. SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |
Nemo deBlanc
Phoibe Enterprises Project Wildfire
35
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:38:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Equto wrote:Whitehound wrote:Well, it does modify web servers as it can create unwanted load and should not be taken as granted. Do it too much and it can turn into an unintentional DoS attack. Still nothing is modified, once the DoS is done then the website will still be there exactly the same as before the DoS. The point is not about what you think it does, but about what the owner of the web site thinks. So you can insist on just reading the site, but this alone can get you into trouble and should not be taken lightly as I already said can turn into a DoS attack.
Stop trolling please. And if you aren't trolling, then it's time to stop posting because you have no idea what you're talking about. |
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