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Todesklinge
Research and Development Corporation
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Posted - 2013.02.12 23:50:00 -
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Hi there!
At this topic i will do a suggestions about large ships (so like Battleship, Dreadnought and Titans)
I have played Eve Online some times ago, and what i see is, small ships are get in more powerfull...
So at this topic was dedicated for large ships at the eve universe.
Frigates, Destroyer, Cruiser has limit of up to 4 Drones to use, like ships role...
Battlecruisers (also higher tier) can use up to 6 drones at same time...
Battleships (even higher tiers) can use up to 9 drones (so like Marauders), simple battleships can use just 8 drones at the same time.
Now Capital Ships:
Dreadnought class:
They can use 5 XL-Large Weapons AND 5 Slots for turrets or missiles (just for their race), to get more power on the battlefield! AND Dreadnoughts can use 25 Drones at the same time, but this booster will increase there cost for an Dreadnought up to 4.000.000.000 ISK!!!
At the moment, 3 battleships with high skills, can do the same damage like a Dreadnought in siege mode, but the 3 battleships hase more options to engage the enemy... thats not fair against Dreads, they are in siege and Tech 1 siege modules will be just useless at this moment.
Titan class:
Titans has the option to increase there turrest up to 16 !!!! And can use 50 drones at the same time, so this will be fine for great battlesfileds, and will avoid to use titans just for titan brigedes for fleets only.
What do you think about this and stay def to capital ships, they are just usable at some sectors (like low oder 0.0) and they are very slow at movement
Sry for my bad english, i did my best :) |
Dark Drifter
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
62
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Posted - 2013.02.12 23:55:00 -
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Todesklinge wrote:Hi there!
At this topic i will do a suggestions about large ships (so like Battleship, Dreadnought and Titans)
I have played Eve Online some times ago, and what i see is, small ships are get in more powerfull...
So at this topic was dedicated for large ships at the eve universe.
Frigates, Destroyer, Cruiser has limit of up to 4 Drones to use, like ships role...
Battlecruisers (also higher tier) can use up to 6 drones at same time...
Battleships (even higher tiers) can use up to 9 drones (so like Marauders), simple battleships can use just 8 drones at the same time.
Now Capital Ships:
Dreadnought class:
They can use 5 XL-Large Weapons AND 5 Slots for turrets or missiles (just for their race), to get more power on the battlefield! AND Dreadnoughts can use 25 Drones at the same time, but this booster will increase there cost for an Dreadnought up to 4.000.000.000 ISK!!!
At the moment, 3 battleships with high skills, can do the same damage like a Dreadnought in siege mode, but the 3 battleships hase more options to engage the enemy... thats not fair against Dreads, they are in siege and Tech 1 siege modules will be just useless at this moment.
Titan class:
Titans has the option to increase there turrest up to 16 !!!! And can use 50 drones at the same time, so this will be fine for great battlesfileds, and will avoid to use titans just for titan brigedes for fleets only.
What do you think about this and stay def to capital ships, they are just usable at some sectors (like low oder 0.0) and they are very slow at movement
Sry for my bad english, i did my best :)
you are an idiot. . . 5 drones is more than enough for any sub cap.
titan with 50 drones? get bent...
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3895
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Posted - 2013.02.12 23:56:00 -
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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Todesklinge
Research and Development Corporation
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Posted - 2013.02.12 23:57:00 -
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So why can kill an stealth bomber an battleship for just an 1/4 of there price?
A small frig can use torpedos, also battleship class weapons???
Another example:
Daredevil:
Frig, use 4 Weapons with a damage bonus of 200% = like 12 Weapons???? |
Todesklinge
Research and Development Corporation
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Posted - 2013.02.12 23:59:00 -
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Stratetic Cruiser can kill Battleships with there Speed, so why? |
Todesklinge
Research and Development Corporation
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:00:00 -
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Quote:
you are an idiot. . . 5 drones is more than enough for any sub cap.
titan with 50 drones? get bent...
Oh you idiot you have forgett to skill drones for battleships? |
MadMuppet
Three Fish In A Box
824
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:00:00 -
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There were too many drones a while back and they capped them to 5 per ship as a limit with bonuses to offset the lower number. Too many drones causes lag on the servers and slows down the game too much. Your suggestion won't happen. I mine in EVE because I'm too drunk to fish in WoW.-á |
Todesklinge
Research and Development Corporation
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:02:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:There were too many drones a while back and they capped them to 5 per ship as a limit with bonuses to offset the lower number. Too many drones causes lag on the servers and slows down the game too much. Your suggestion won't happen.
Did you ever seen 1000 Dreadnoughts or Titans in the same System? |
Todesklinge
Research and Development Corporation
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:07:00 -
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You like if 2 frigs can kill a dreadnought and call reinforcements by cyno, and the dread have no chance to kill both frigs, so they kill just "5 Drones" of there Dreadnought???
Wow what a reasson... use more powerfull frigates then a dreadnought. |
Dark Drifter
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
62
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:16:00 -
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Todesklinge wrote:MadMuppet wrote:There were too many drones a while back and they capped them to 5 per ship as a limit with bonuses to offset the lower number. Too many drones causes lag on the servers and slows down the game too much. Your suggestion won't happen. Did you ever seen 1000 Dreadnoughts or Titans in the same System?
... wow firstly:
the DOMI alone (pre drone BW, with legacy skills) could field 10 heavy drones. so a fleet of 10 DOMIS would be fielding 50 drones. average fleet fights back then where around 250 to 500 that is 1000 drones assuming all domis. thats was crippling for the server.
introducing what you have posted would mean (with current hull bonuses) the domanix would have 8 drones in space with a DPS output of 16 drones that's around 1k - 2k DPS depending on fit. way to much for 1 BS to field in drones.
as for your comment about smaller hulls taking on larger ones, this is by design not accident. bigger is not always better.
a frig can hold a BS (and kill it if the BS is fitted shitly) this would be impossible with your idea a T3 ship is specifically designed to punch above its own weight (the down side is SP loss if you die).
so please do GD a favor and refrain from posting serial box ideas in the future.
regards DD
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
2070
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:16:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
This was my reaction exactly Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Raiz Nhell
Kangaroo Ate my baby Li3 Federation
230
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:17:00 -
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Just cause its bigger/more expensive doesn't mean that it is better... That is an overly simplistic 'gaming' view of the universe.
Different ships have different roles.
I wouldn't take a SB up against frigates and interceptors, but I'll happily torpedo a battleship I wouldn't take a battleship into combat against fast moving ships that can get under my guns
Different ships for different jobs. Supporting each other in a fleet each ship will fill a niche, alone each ship will be torn apart by others taking advantage of its weaknesses.
EVE is more than just DPS
And as for more drones, you have to be kidding
There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage. |
Todesklinge
Research and Development Corporation
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:26:00 -
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Why there is exist Tech 3 Cruisers, but no Tech 2 Dreadnoughts or Titans? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3900
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:28:00 -
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Because. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Dark Drifter
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
62
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:29:00 -
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Todesklinge wrote:Why there is exist Tech 3 Cruisers, but no Tech 2 Dreadnoughts or Titans?
now i know you are just trolling.
T2 caps/supas are just an awful idea.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2672
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:36:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
(Gò»-¦Gûí-¦)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
GreenSeed
204
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Posted - 2013.02.13 00:39:00 -
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honestly, they need to reduce drone count again instead of increasing it... 3 max, with a damage and survivability compensation just like it happened in the last drone count drop, back when we could field 10 drones.
specially with ships like dragoons and algos around... most frig pilots die horribly to them, not because there's any skill involved, but because it just impossible to target and kill each of the five before the remaining 2 deal their damage.
and yes, i know they are frig killing dessies, but with regular dessies you could at least kite them for a while before they started melting you, even at 1.5x falloff. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2217
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Posted - 2013.02.13 04:17:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat (Gò»-¦Gûí-¦)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼ n++pâÄ( pé£-pé£pâÄ)
Now we wait for the next stupid thread on GD. |
stoicfaux
2340
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Posted - 2013.02.13 04:33:00 -
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Todesklinge wrote: I have played Eve Online some times ago, and what i see is, small ships are get in more powerfull...
a) Your large ships will be no match for a fleet of White Stars, err, I mean Angel faction Tornado BCs.
b) Phoenix dreadnought: 1,320,000,000 kg Hound Stealth Bomber: 1,370,000 kg 1,320,000,000 / 1,370,000 = 963.5
That's 963 Hounds (with 2,889 Torpedo Launchers) duct-taped together into the Ultimate Dreadnought.
tl;dr - Bigger is not better. Smaller is better because smaller things make other things look bigger, i.e. don't get a sports car, just marry a short woman. It's what I did.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2679
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Posted - 2013.02.13 04:35:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Todesklinge wrote: I have played Eve Online some times ago, and what i see is, small ships are get in more powerfull...
a) Your large ships will be no match for a fleet of White Stars, err, I mean Angel faction Tornado BCs. b) Phoenix dreadnought: 1,320,000,000 kg Hound Stealth Bomber: 1,370,000 kg 1,320,000,000 / 1,370,000 = 963.5 That's a N a g l f a r
F Y P This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
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Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.13 04:50:00 -
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You used to be able to use 10 drones. They reduced it to 5 because it was causing lag in large fights. What they did was make the skill that used to give the other 5 drones give +20% damage per level instead so that way you'd still do the same amount of damage as you did before.
Edit: And you said yourself a destroyer does the damage of three battleships. How is that not fair? Do you want them to be invincible to everything but other capitals or something? |
Kanexus
Red Goats
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Posted - 2013.02.13 06:00:00 -
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ships are like playing rock paper scissors. so u will never have a ship that is like op. Battlecruisers class are pretty much the universal ship that can take out smaller and bigger pretty good. Its all about distance and positioning. But yeah there is no one fit kills all build. You should be happy about that because that would mean u would have no chance in hell of ever winning a battle due to people with large sp and wallets. |
Ohanka
223
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Posted - 2013.02.13 09:04:00 -
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This thread gave me cancer.
Crapposting. |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
454
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Posted - 2013.02.13 09:08:00 -
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Todesklinge wrote:Frig, use 4 Weapons with a damage bonus of 200% = like 12 Weapons????
I found this, stopped reading, and thought damn, that's some gold ass maths. |
Arronicus
Brave Newbies Inc.
183
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Posted - 2013.02.13 09:13:00 -
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Todesklinge wrote:cost for an Dreadnought up to 4.000.000.000 ISK!!!
If you like the way this guy thinks, you're gonna love this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ5LpwO-An4
On topic: So many kinds of lol in this thread. Also, belongs in the SUGGESTIONS forum. Go figure. |
Quit Whining
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2013.02.13 09:18:00 -
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1. This needs to be in 'Features & Discussions'
2. Never post again...ever. |
Ohanka
223
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Posted - 2013.02.13 09:24:00 -
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Quit Whining wrote:1. This needs to be in 'Features & Discussions'
2. Never post again...ever.
I am personally in favour of tech 2 Titans. However they should be Low/Nullsec Haulers with hundreds of millions of cargo space, 0.3 warp speed, max speed of 4 M/S and only require destroyer V to fly.
Crapposting. |
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
216
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Posted - 2013.02.13 09:32:00 -
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...not sure if OP is serius..... or a dam good troll -_- |
Hulasikaly Wada
G.P.S. Global Private Security Agency
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Posted - 2013.02.13 10:07:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:
tl;dr - Bigger is not better. Smaller is better because smaller things make other things look bigger, i.e. don't get a sports car, just marry a short woman. It's what I did.
Your my hero, lol ! and no more drones pls !
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
2127
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Posted - 2013.02.13 10:23:00 -
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Moving from General Discussion to Features & Ideas. New Eden Community Representative GÇ+ New Eden Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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