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Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.13 19:07:00 -
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That is all.
Thanks in advance. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.02.13 19:17:00 -
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Content abounds in this thread. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2013.02.13 19:19:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:That is all.
Thanks in advance.
There's none so blind as those who will not see.
CCP must have a pirate patch over their drone seeing eye. This is not a signature. |
Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.02.13 19:21:00 -
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For those of us with jobs and can't log in to see this for another 5 hours, what's the problem .. exactly?
--- GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥ GÇò Philip K. **** |
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.13 19:22:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Content abounds in this thread.
I wish there were more to say that hasn't been hashed out many times already,
The proverbial ball is in CCP's court now.
They need to act. Too long have drones been a sideshow when it comes to weapons systems and with the latest change they have rendered them even more impotent.
Time for talk is over.
Fix the drones CCP. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
2090
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Posted - 2013.02.13 19:25:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:I wish there were more to say that hasn't been hashed out many times already,
And there is the reason for threadlockage. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2013.02.13 19:51:00 -
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inb4 someone calls you a utterly stupid idiot.
Utterly stupid idiot
also inb4tl
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
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Posted - 2013.02.13 19:51:00 -
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My main is a Gallente pilot, specializing in drones. Since the aggro changes I have lost exactly ONE hobgoblin. Try paying attention to what's happening on your screen, and learn what types of ships will switch targets. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3549
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Posted - 2013.02.13 19:55:00 -
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This thread is in response to:
CCP - Please fix AFK drone boat mission running.
Thanks in advance.
Seems they were successful. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
884
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Posted - 2013.02.13 19:58:00 -
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Problem I see is that CCP's claim to have "fixed" the AI is complete rubbish. Y'know, the whole "cruisers don't target light, battleships only target heavy & sentries..."
My ass. I've seen battleships alpha striking light drones left and right. And the drone insta-lock is never getting fixed. 25 signature and AI is shooting them 2 seconds out of the launch bays.
They put a band-aid on a gunshot wound. EvE Forum Bingo |
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Hammer Borne
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.13 19:58:00 -
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I make extensive use of sentries as well as light and medium drones.
Thus far I have seen no issue. Missions as well as null anoms/sigs just require the operator to have a pulse now. |
Azrin Stella Oerndotte
The Nommo Insurance Fraud.
51
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Posted - 2013.02.13 20:06:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Problem I see is that CCP's claim to have "fixed" the AI is complete rubbish. Y'know, the whole "cruisers don't target light, battleships only target heavy & sentries..."
My ass. I've seen battleships alpha striking light drones left and right. And the drone insta-lock is never getting fixed. 25 signature and AI is shooting them 2 seconds out of the launch bays.
They put a band-aid on a gunshot wound. I have noticed rats switching to drones if you don't keep shooting at them, takes a while but they do.
I for one like the new AI. |
Bow'en
Solutum Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
35
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Posted - 2013.02.13 20:14:00 -
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Can I redirect?
Buff drones a bit! The new system punishes people who don't manage their resources, so how about a little boost for those who do?
I am also clocking in on the "have lost very few". I missed the change when it came through, lost a flight of Hob IIs. Researched the issue, and haven't had a problem since. Fit EWAR and HTFU. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
884
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Posted - 2013.02.13 20:16:00 -
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Just watched an Imperial Navy Infiltrator die in one shot to an AI battleship from over 60km away. Over 2000EHP... one shot. No warning, no time to react. Just poof.
Drones are still broken. Tengu jerks just denying it for the trollols. EvE Forum Bingo |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3457
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Posted - 2013.02.13 20:19:00 -
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CCP does not seem very interested in fixing this at all.
That is all. Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Dyjal'Ryn
Validation Error Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.02.13 20:29:00 -
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I fail to see the problem. I use a Sentry-focused Dominix to run missions to keep my standing up, and I haven't lost a single one. I have lost a few Hobgoblins and Hammerheads since the change, but that's because when I only use them after I have destroyed everything but Frigates, as Grade's with some Drone Sharpshooting and Omnidirectional Tracking Links can hit Cruisers no problem. Additionally, I have only lost those Hobs and Hammerheads because once the Frigates are the only thing left in a pocket I stop caring, and the things are so damn cheap it doesn't matter.
If you are having problems with your drones dying then I would suggest stop throwing them at ships that are at max drone control range or, if you have learned not to do that, pay some kind of attention to those little bars under your Drones in Local Space tab. If all else fails use Sentries. I sit right next to mine because they can't move, so if they get targeted I just pull them, and redeploy.
TL;DR It's not a bad change, you are a bad player, I suppose. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3457
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Posted - 2013.02.13 20:31:00 -
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Dyjal'Ryn wrote:I fail to see the problem.
Try running a few missions then for a change. Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
vyshnegradsky
Organized-Chaos Apocalypse Now.
56
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Posted - 2013.02.13 20:33:00 -
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Dyjal'Ryn wrote:I fail to see the problem. I use a Sentry-focused Dominix to run missions to keep my standing up, and I haven't lost a single one. I have lost a few Hobgoblins and Hammerheads since the change, but that's because when I only use them after I have destroyed everything but Frigates, as Grade's with some Drone Sharpshooting and Omnidirectional Tracking Links can hit Cruisers no problem. Additionally, I have only lost those Hobs and Hammerheads because once the Frigates are the only thing left in a pocket I stop caring, and the things are so damn cheap it doesn't matter.
If you are having problems with your drones dying then I would suggest stop throwing them at ships that are at max drone control range or, if you have learned not to do that, pay some kind of attention to those little bars under your Drones in Local Space tab. If all else fails use Sentries. I sit right next to mine because they can't move, so if they get targeted I just pull them, and redeploy.
TL;DR It's not a bad change, you are a bad player, I suppose.
This man speaks the truth This one's a bit over the edge guys.
Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.
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Rike Ewann
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Posted - 2013.02.13 20:33:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:
I wish there were more to say that hasn't been hashed out many times already,
The proverbial ball is in CCP's court now.
They need to act. Too long have drones been a sideshow when it comes to weapons systems and with the latest change they have rendered them even more impotent.
Time for talk is over.
Fix the drones CCP.
I am sure your massive amount of drone sp is hindered by the current drone mechanics.
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Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
91
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Posted - 2013.02.13 20:44:00 -
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Souxie Alduin wrote:My main is a Gallente pilot, specializing in drones. Since the aggro changes I have lost exactly ONE hobgoblin. Try paying attention to what's happening on your screen, and learn what types of ships will switch targets.
Do you use heavy drones? I think those are for PvP only now. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
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Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2013.02.13 20:47:00 -
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I fully expected some of the blow back Im receiving and that's cool. Forum warriors gonna forum warrior.
The U.I. needs work. Insta locking drones needs to be addressed. The progression of NPC ship type to drone engagement needs to work like its intended. The way drones are managed (dronebay/cargo/bandwidth) etc needs to be revisted.
Other boats can run in and tank while bringing full DPS to bear. The micro management of drones when compared to other forms of DPS is not balanced comparatively. I in no way endorse afk ratting or missioning. I am all for changes that limit or remove this aspect but there needs to be a much more elegant solution that encompasses multiple aspects of drone usage to bring them in line.
Im not trying to complain and just voicing an opinion ion the hopes that CCP takes a look at the situation.
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Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.02.13 20:52:00 -
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You know I think Windows 95 called and said it wants its right click to access main functionality back. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
HellBent KillingSpree
Republic University Minmatar Republic
73
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Posted - 2013.02.13 20:58:00 -
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What this thread is missing is a little more green. "Dont let your kids play on the weekends unless you like exposing your children to several thousand drunk and drug addicts" An unbiased Amazon players review |
Orlacc
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Posted - 2013.02.13 21:04:00 -
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Wow first I have heard of this!
Ya know, was in a WH with my drones the other day and noticed that if I used any EWAR, the rats targeted me and not my drones!
How cool is that! So I did a level 4 and guess what, it works there too!
I know NPC AI is scawy hard but I survived.
Now, I could not AFK as I suspect some of the loudest whiners were used to.... |
Leetha Layne
71
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Posted - 2013.02.13 21:11:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Dyjal'Ryn wrote:I fail to see the problem.
Try running a few missions then for a change.
I have been flying drone boats for years. Since the change I have run at least 100 missions. I lost maybe 2 lights..... embarrassing to see how much whining there is about this. Were that many folks AFKing?
That being said, only about 1% of any MMO's players use the forums and the small amount of whines about this particular issue does not portend any change.
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Dyjal'Ryn
Validation Error Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2
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Posted - 2013.02.13 21:11:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:I fully expected some of the blow back Im receiving and that's cool. Forum warriors gonna forum warrior.
The U.I. needs work. Insta locking drones needs to be addressed. The progression of NPC ship type to drone engagement needs to work like its intended. The way drones are managed (dronebay/cargo/bandwidth) etc needs to be revisted.
Other boats can run in and tank while bringing full DPS to bear. The micro management of drones when compared to other forms of DPS is not balanced comparatively. I in no way endorse afk ratting or missioning. I am all for changes that limit or remove this aspect but there needs to be a much more elegant solution that encompasses multiple aspects of drone usage to bring them in line.
Im not trying to complain and just voicing an opinion ion the hopes that CCP takes a look at the situation.
Then say that. If you come here and start whining about how Drones are broken because of the way the drone aggro AI was changed then yes, you are going to get responses that are exactly like what you have been getting, from myself included. The AI changes were fine.
I agree that drones need to be updates, but your OP was about the AI, and so you got responses about that. If you want to talk about drones as a mechanic then I'm game, because that can be a fruitful area of discussion, and something that does need to improve, but if that is what you want to talk about then don't post about the 100% positive AI changes. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2013.02.13 21:15:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:I fully expected some of the blow back Im receiving and that's cool. Forum warriors gonna forum warrior.
The U.I. needs work. Insta locking drones needs to be addressed. The progression of NPC ship type to drone engagement needs to work like its intended. The way drones are managed (dronebay/cargo/bandwidth) etc needs to be revisted.
Other boats can run in and tank while bringing full DPS to bear. The micro management of drones when compared to other forms of DPS is not balanced comparatively. I in no way endorse afk ratting or missioning. I am all for changes that limit or remove this aspect but there needs to be a much more elegant solution that encompasses multiple aspects of drone usage to bring them in line.
Im not trying to complain and just voicing an opinion ion the hopes that CCP takes a look at the situation.
I still run L4s with a dominix. After they fixed the fullstage aggro bugs I have not lost any drones. Mostly I get aggro from the "formal" drone aggro situations that have always been in the game - ie the missions where you shoot group 1 and group 2 which was not aggroed, aggroes on your drones without boxing you - because they are and always have been programmed to do that.
Having npc switch from dominix to sentries is actually a pretty rare thing.
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Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
77
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Posted - 2013.02.13 21:18:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Problem I see is that CCP's claim to have "fixed" the AI is complete rubbish. Y'know, the whole "cruisers don't target light, battleships only target heavy & sentries..."
My ass. I've seen battleships alpha striking light drones left and right. And the drone insta-lock is never getting fixed. 25 signature and AI is shooting them 2 seconds out of the launch bays.
They put a band-aid on a gunshot wound.
Actually, the patch says cruisers target light... but yeah, gets kind of irritating when they start shooting them the instant they launch, while other times they ignore them completely. Doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. I'm a little worried about what will happen once I hit L4s, because L3s have proven exceptionally dangerous to my drones. I've lost a couple to alpha strikes out of nowhere.. |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
91
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Posted - 2013.02.13 21:21:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:Wow first I have heard of this!
Ya know, was in a WH with my drones the other day and noticed that if I used any EWAR, the rats targeted me and not my drones!
How cool is that! So I did a level 4 and guess what, it works there too!
I know NPC AI is scawy hard but I survived.
Now, I could not AFK as I suspect some of the loudest whiners were used to....
Is it any particular EWAR or will all of them react to any EWAR module. I mean technically webing is EWAR and does it get the same reaction as say sensor dampening? "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.02.13 21:22:00 -
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Dyjal'Ryn wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:I fully expected some of the blow back Im receiving and that's cool. Forum warriors gonna forum warrior.
The U.I. needs work. Insta locking drones needs to be addressed. The progression of NPC ship type to drone engagement needs to work like its intended. The way drones are managed (dronebay/cargo/bandwidth) etc needs to be revisted.
Other boats can run in and tank while bringing full DPS to bear. The micro management of drones when compared to other forms of DPS is not balanced comparatively. I in no way endorse afk ratting or missioning. I am all for changes that limit or remove this aspect but there needs to be a much more elegant solution that encompasses multiple aspects of drone usage to bring them in line.
Im not trying to complain and just voicing an opinion ion the hopes that CCP takes a look at the situation.
Then say that. If you come here and start whining about how Drones are broken because of the way the drone aggro AI was changed then yes, you are going to get responses that are exactly like what you have been getting, from myself included. The AI changes were fine. I agree that drones need to be updates, but your OP was about the AI, and so you got responses about that. If you want to talk about drones as a mechanic then I'm game, because that can be a fruitful area of discussion, and something that does need to improve, but if that is what you want to talk about then don't post about the 100% positive AI changes.
Thats fair.
I suppose my issue is with the changes to the AI without addressing other areas of drone gameplay. I understand the AI changes and dont really have a problem with them so long as they were accompanied by other changes to keep drones in line and balanced with other weapons systems. The problem is that they were not. The AI changes highlight other areas of much needed improvement or revamps and if CCP isnt going to bring that balance throughout the whole drone system then they need to address the AI until they are ready to bring drones in line.
Yes you can mission and rat without losing drones. I do it and that not what Im bringing up honestly. Its the lowering of overall DPS via microing of drones and what types of drones can be brought to bear when compared to how the AI changes have affected others DPS types that I have issues with in the short term. Im not sure drones are going to see a function wide overhaul in the near future so the short term solution is to address the AI function and how it relates to drones.
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