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Reiisha	Posted - 2005.07.24 01:21:00 - [1] - Quote What the hell is TAOSP? Ragnar's hat, what was that all about? Why did the Stain Alliance and the Curse Alliance go to war all that time ago? Who remembers the Coalition of Curse? (Or was it the Curse Coalition?) What's the name of the first ever alliance? (you know, Krath, Endless, TTI and another one... Oh hell, can't remember!) And who the hell is Kalsrith????? All of this is stuff that has interesting stories behind it, humerous, epic, and many other things. Sadly, no one of the old days passes them on to the new players, and some of the old ones don't even bother to remember. So, where is the REAL history of EVE, including all the fine details? Not just the year 105 overview we've been stuck with for over a year. If i have time i think i'll gonna try and dig up a lot of stuff about the old days, make some sort of an EVE chronicle. Not your 2 page essay, more like an encyclopedia, a history book, which will be kept up to date and not be forgotten after it's finished. Might be a lotta work, but this is one of the thigns that makes EVE so unique. There are real people in those stories, not your run-of-the-mill nameless guy on server 562 in country x of continent y. I think thos events and people deserve to be remembered, or rather, presented to the newer people, as a way of more background stories in EVE besides the NPC plots that are going on there. Of course, getting all that info will be hard now. Some sites have been changed or taken down (i loved the old TTi nexus), forums have been wiped clean, corps ahve died and people left the game. Hence, i don't expect it to be easy, and it might be impossible to get the objective facts about all those events. Still, as they say, history is written by the victors, yet we still take all those books for granted. Tips on what should be included can be posted here, or mail me ingame with stuff you think that should be researched. I'll see how far i get.... Although it might be a while untill a first result is there :) Oh, and don't worry about my objectivity, for those who distrust Evolution members. I won't be writing any flames or insults towards corps we've fought.... No point in that. But i guess you'll have to trust me on that.... P.S.: This is a sudden thought that came to me. I wonder whether i'm still this enthousiastic when i wake up tomorrow morning. Reiisha's Skills
Claude Leon	Posted - 2005.07.24 01:24:00 - [2] - Quote Originally by: Reiisha What the hell is TAOSP? Ragnar's hat, what was that all about? Why did the Stain Alliance and the Curse Alliance go to war all that time ago? Who remembers the Coalition of Curse? (Or was it the Curse Coalition?) What's the name of the first ever alliance? (you know, Krath, Endless, TTI and another one... Oh hell, can't remember!) And who the hell is Kalsrith????? All of this is stuff that has interesting stories behind it, humerous, epic, and many other things. Sadly, no one of the old days passes them on to the new players, and some of the old ones don't even bother to remember. So, where is the REAL history of EVE, including all the fine details? Not just the year 105 overview we've been stuck with for over a year. If i have time i think i'll gonna try and dig up a lot of stuff about the old days, make some sort of an EVE chronicle. Not your 2 page essay, more like an encyclopedia, a history book, which will be kept up to date and not be forgotten after it's finished. Might be a lotta work, but this is one of the thigns that makes EVE so unique. There are real people in those stories, not your run-of-the-mill nameless guy on server 562 in country x of continent y. I think thos events and people deserve to be remembered, or rather, presented to the newer people, as a way of more background stories in EVE besides the NPC plots that are going on there. Of course, getting all that info will be hard now. Some sites have been changed or taken down (i loved the old TTi nexus), forums have been wiped clean, corps ahve died and people left the game. Hence, i don't expect it to be easy, and it might be impossible to get the objective facts about all those events. Still, as they say, history is written by the victors, yet we still take all those books for granted. Tips on what should be included can be posted here, or mail me ingame with stuff you think that should be researched. I'll see how far i get.... Although it might be a while untill a first result is there :) Oh, and don't worry about my objectivity, for those who distrust Evolution members. I won't be writing any flames or insults towards corps we've fought.... No point in that. But i guess you'll have to trust me on that.... P.S.: This is a sudden thought that came to me. I wonder whether i'm still this enthousiastic when i wake up tomorrow morning. Make your own history. When I started EVE, that was day one for me. Forget the past and make the future. They call it HIStory for a reason. ===================================================
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.07.24 01:25:00 - [3] - Quote I can remember a few things regarding the above, I'll go over them tomorrow. Anyway - another one - Syndicate-Placid Commonwealth. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Galk	Posted - 2005.07.24 01:27:00 - [4] - Quote Vendi Vidi Vici -------- So tired of waiting I walked an empty land I was looking for something to help me understand But bad luck kept turning my dreams into sand I didn't want pity, I had my share of friends
Reiisha	Posted - 2005.07.24 01:29:00 - [5] - Quote Originally by: Claude Leon Make your own history. When I started EVE, that was day one for me. Forget the past and make the future. They call it HIStory for a reason. That would be true, were it not that EVE is the only game that has a player-made history alongside the one that the devs put in. I can't find another game that has this much player involvement as this one, and i find it a waste to let it all be forgotten, especially when there are so many memorable things in eve's history :) Reiisha's Skills
Galk	Posted - 2005.07.24 01:36:00 - [6] - Quote You mean because we are small and as one community. Can think of many instances where iv'e felt involved with the grand scale right down to the small things that make it all matter. -------- So tired of waiting I walked an empty land I was looking for something to help me understand But bad luck kept turning my dreams into sand I didn't want pity, I had my share of friends
Reiisha	Posted - 2005.07.24 01:40:00 - [7] - Quote Originally by: Galk Edited by: Galk on 24/07/2005 01:37:01 You mean because we are small and as one community. Can think of many instances where iv'e felt involved with the grand scale right down to the small things that make it all matter. Edit* we came we saw... and yeah we did I didn't get that feeling at the endless raids at Tarren Mill. Nor do i get that feeling at Rubi-Ka's endless polygon wastes. You get my point :) Reiisha's Skills
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2005.07.24 02:26:00 - [8] - Quote History in a game like this is pretty important because its all on one sever. There is no escaping it because reputations and past events dont "go away" until every last person who remembers quits. Hence, really "big" events like the Morbor scam, Ragnar's hat, CA/SA war, GHSC robbery and stuff like that lasts as long as the game itself. You will also find that some people can and are more than willing to hold grudges for years. And even if you havent been playing that long, the top level members of your corp might make choices based on it. For example, I don't like Kayosoni, because he was/is a huge C4 smacktard.. even long after C4 and OC died. That means ATUK is no longer a corp on my list of corps to join if ** hits the fan. I don't like FA, because of their arrogance and political backstabbing over a year ago, even though a majority of their older players have quit or are inactive. I don't like M3G4, simply because of the name. They represent (although in no original form) a corp that was notorious for being a bunch of stupid no-skill **s. I could go on and on, but my list of enemies is too long for that. My list of real friends however isnt quite as long, but there are a few people out there which have my respect based on past history going back 3+ years. sighs.. I'm going to go murder some people to get rid of this filthy nostalgia ;O _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
Balklanac	Posted - 2005.07.24 02:40:00 - [9] - Quote Originally by: The Enslaver Anyway - another one - Syndicate-Placid Commonwealth. hehe whats that about? As a new player I would love to hear some stories about EVE-history(i tried typing url in www.eve-history.com but it does not exist). There 2 points of major interest one regarding a player invasion of npc(concord)space by the m0o? corporation. The other is any history of syndicate region. Also any more classic EVE-movies...one i saw was that revolved around i assume a chat log script in which a pirate,victim and ermm a lawyer discuss a situation(it was just that char portraits with human voice overs...simple but brilliant)...i thought all 3 chars were fictioal...until i saw one in a chat forum..that vid sure was funny and i was going over some chat log postings in eve-pirate and found the video to be quite close to what was presented in the video...but i digress here from the topic.
Reiisha	Posted - 2005.07.24 03:04:00 - [10] - Quote Originally by: Balklanac Also any more classic EVE-movies...one i saw was that revolved around i assume a chat log script in which a pirate,victim and ermm a lawyer discuss a situation(it was just that char portraits with human voice overs...simple but brilliant)...i thought all 3 chars were fictioal...until i saw one in a chat forum..that vid sure was funny and i was going over some chat log postings in eve-pirate and found the video to be quite close to what was presented in the video...but i digress here from the topic. I think i know which one you mean. Will mean a hell of a lot of posts to search through, though. t20, please make a search feature :P Reiisha's Skills

Reiisha	Posted - 2005.07.24 03:05:00 - [11] - Quote Originally by: DigitalCommunist History in a game like this is pretty important because its all on one sever. There is no escaping it because reputations and past events dont "go away" until every last person who remembers quits. Hence, really "big" events like the Morbor scam, Ragnar's hat, CA/SA war, GHSC robbery and stuff like that lasts as long as the game itself. You will also find that some people can and are more than willing to hold grudges for years. And even if you havent been playing that long, the top level members of your corp might make choices based on it. For example, I don't like Kayosoni, because he was/is a huge C4 smacktard.. even long after C4 and OC died. That means ATUK is no longer a corp on my list of corps to join if ** hits the fan. I don't like FA, because of their arrogance and political backstabbing over a year ago, even though a majority of their older players have quit or are inactive. I don't like M3G4, simply because of the name. They represent (although in no original form) a corp that was notorious for being a bunch of stupid no-skill **s. I could go on and on, but my list of enemies is too long for that. My list of real friends however isnt quite as long, but there are a few people out there which have my respect based on past history going back 3+ years. sighs.. I'm going to go murder some people to get rid of this filthy nostalgia ;O Well then, you'll be my sidekick in this project. It'll be good to get rid of all that built up furstration :) Reiisha's Skills
Omber Zombie	Posted - 2005.07.24 05:39:00 - [12] - Quote Originally by: Balklanac There 2 points of major interest one regarding a player invasion of npc(concord)space by the m0o? corporation. they didn't invade concord, devs playing as CONCORCD special ops came and attacked them. Quote: Also any more classic EVE-movies...one i saw was that revolved around i assume a chat log script in which a pirate,victim and ermm a lawyer discuss a situation(it was just that char portraits with human voice overs...simple but brilliant)...i thought all 3 chars were fictioal...until i saw one in a chat forum..that vid sure was funny and i was going over some chat log postings in eve-pirate and found the video to be quite close to what was presented in the video...but i digress here from the topic. that would be the Chatlog video featuring Viceroy, XpoHoc and Mnemosyne made by Archain. Don't have a link to it, but check out Rizmordian Hilgotlieb's videos in the same vein (Show Resect Amigo, SuperSafeSpotBuster etc.) you can get riz's vids from the Mercenery Coalition website. ----------- I have a blog
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2005.07.24 07:41:00 - [13] - Quote wth what project? I didnt agree to anything :\| _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
Velsharoon	Posted - 2005.07.24 09:16:00 - [14] - Quote If theres ever an eve 2 I hope that someone starts covering events from the start. Thing is a lot of Eve 1 allegiances and grudges would come in
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2005.07.24 09:18:00 - [15] - Quote I think your first task should be to explain what "Ragnar's Hat" is. It sounds funny... ___________________________________________ ^^^*---All things serve the Beam---*^^^ GDBT is recruiting!
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2005.07.24 09:21:00 - [16] - Quote How about something like a Wiki? Would be good to have some eve GM input too. WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa. WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK
Xelios	Posted - 2005.07.24 09:34:00 - [17] - Quote Oh where to begin. From m0o starting pvp havoc with stacked 40% Gyro's to entire star systems getting graphically stuck onto your ship, yeh-es it's been quite a ride! It all started long ago, before the creation of the galaxy itself... it was a time before time, filled with magic, heroism and node crashes. It was the time we now call "Beta", when the Gods did as they pleased and the Nerf Bat of * Abandon swung valiantly in the face of slight advantage. Yeh-es each month a new ship or profession would step up to the plate, only to find the pitcher was none other than TomB who would overhand throw the nerf bat square into the poor victim's ******, leaving him to limp to first base in agony compounded by the double burn of an overhand throw in this game of slow pitch. The whines of the victims permeated the forums, drowned only by TomB's maniacle laughter... and the all too frequent node crash. Over time the incessant nerfing began to bring balance to the force; carebears and pvpers alike faced the wrath of the nerf bat, no one emerged unscathed. Soon this "Beta" drew to a close, ending in an event known only as "Armageddon Day". All pilots were given the knowledge of the Jovians themselves; able to fly any ship, fit any weapon, they surged forth onto Tranquility and.... node crash. Node crash. Node crash. Server downtime. Node crash. Node crash........ node crash. Armageddon Day had ended. Disappointed by the gargantuan disaster that was Armageddon Day, players nevertheless bought the game a mere week later. This player was forced to wait an extra 2 days to get his copy of the game, but to look on that box; covered with promises of riches, freedom and unimaginable content was.... well unsatisfying, the box was taken home and within minutes a one "Xelios" appeared in the EVE universe. Yes the first month after the official creation of EVE were interesting times... interesting times. One corporation emerged from the shadows to become the most feared name throughout all of EVE, coincidentally synonymous with the noise cattle made. Everyone invested in cattle. I made that part up. The corporation was of course, m0o. m0o! That silly assortment of letters and numbers comically resembling a normally melevolent and benign creature would strike fear into the hearts of carebears and newbies throughout the galaxy. Catapulted to immeasureable success by the use of stacked 40% Fluid Dynamic Gyrostabilizers, m0o swept the galaxy, leaving nothing but the shattered dreams of newbies in its wake. Hundreds were podded each day in single systems alone, made possible by m0o's clever damage mod stacking antics and sentry gun tanking. The newbies lashed back in the only way they could... the forum. Eventually, the overpowering whine of the newbies annoyed the Gods and m0o was challenged by a group of "GM"s. After putting up a valiant struggle, the m0o gang was thrown across the far reaches of the galaxy, banished for their crimes against the noobs. Undaunted, m0o assaulted the forums, vowing to return.... and return they would... Meanwhile many other ridiculous oddities were emerging in the EVE galaxy. Convoy hunters soon found Harvester mining drones, at the time the most efficient mining drones the galaxy had seen, dropping by the thousands*. Soon other curious drops emerged; dozens of packaged starships, "Elite" mining drones, hundreds of original blueprints, spirits worth millions of isk on the black market; all within reach of a new character with 2 days of skill learning. Many pilots exploited these flaws, but worse exploits would soon arise, including an isk-duping exploit that would ultimatly end in the first and only server rollback in release history. The effects of these early flaws can still be seen today, in fact... legend tells that every Harvester mining drone still active today can be traced backward to those first weeks after The Creation. ____________________________________________________________________
Xelios	Posted - 2005.07.24 09:34:00 - [18] - Quote Soon mighty forces emerged from the rubble of a nerf-torn nation, the great builders of the time; the Techell Corporation and Taggart Transdimensional. Attributed with producing one of the first battleship class vessels to grace the skies of EVE the Techell corporation enjoyed enormous success in the production industry, becoming the galaxy's formost source for the latest ships and modules. Shady deals with several influential corporations, including the infamous m0o, dominated the rumour mill; whispers of Techell supplying known pirate groups with replacement ships free of charge in exchange for right of passage could be heard clear accross the mighty forums. With the Techell and TTI corporations approaching 400 members strong m0o returned in force, sporting one of the first battleships in the EVE galaxy, piloted by the infamous Lord Zap, a Dominix class behemoth that struck shock and awe into the heart of the newbie. The carnage resumed, but the Gods faught back. Nerf bats were thrown, catapulted, even shot out of cannons straight into the oncoming pirate horde, but each time the pirates adapted, although not without their share of [url=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/xelios/nerf3.bmp]resentment[/url] on the forums, slaughtering newbies all the while. As the saga of pirate vs newbie continued to unfold another notable event was seen in the depths of the Stain region. Founded in the time of "Beta", the Stain Alliance had grown extremely wealthy under the leadership of its founder TRIGGER and his renegade band of misfits known as MASS. Able to mine the preccciouss Arkonor but a few jumps from refineries, and being largely uncontested, the Stain Alliance became bloated and difficult to control. Soon a splinter group emerged and denounced the Stain Alliance, a group that would soon form the legendary Curse Alliance. As the newly formed Curse Alliance took up residence in the Catch region hostilities between the estranged alliances flared, sparking what can only be referred to as The Great War. This was to be the single longest war since The Creation, yielding only after the eventual disbanding of the Curse Alliance. Shortly after the sharding of the Stain Alliance occured one of the most controversial events in the EVE saga. A rogue Jovian commander and his cohorts were intercepted inside Stain space and destroyed by Stain Alliance pilots. This victory came at a high price for the time with the loss of several battleships, however the reward captured by the Stain Alliance pilots was well worth the effort. Modified turrets and strangely named modules with staggering attributes were looted from the wrecks of the Jovian vessels, causing a near violent uproar on the forums over accusations of favoratism by the Gods. Shortly thereafter, with the coming of Castor, Stain was to be nerfed beyond recognition in what would later be described as an "ore redistribution". It would be some time before such a major event was to happen again. Soon the leader of the Amarr empire, Heideran VII, would be [url=http://www.eve-online.com/background/potw/03-july-02.asp]awarded the Aidonis Statue[/url] for his efforts to unite the empires in peace. He would soon after meet an untimely death. In the wake of his passing the Amarr Championships were held, inviting a squadron of fighters from each of the 5 Amarr heirs to compete for the seat controlling the oldest remaining empire in EVE. The championship would continue for many days, resulting in victory for Doriam Kor-Azor and his squadron of 4; "Grikl", "Kileak", "Black Viper" and their leader "Ecliptical", all members of MASS. The fourth planet in the Kor-Azor Prime system and its three moons were renamed in honor of the new Emperor's pilots, and each was awarded one of four Imperial Apocalpyse class battleships, a reward that the Emperor and the Gods themselves assured would never be given again. Of these four three remain, one fallen at the hands of m0o. ____________________________________________________________________
Xelios	Posted - 2005.07.24 09:35:00 - [19] - Quote Story to be maybe continued.... ____________________________________________________________________
Andrue	Posted - 2005.07.24 09:47:00 - [20] - Quote Edited by: Andrue on 24/07/2005 09:49:04 Originally by: Claude Leon Make your own history. When I started EVE, that was day one for me. Forget the past and make the future. They call it HIStory for a reason. They also say 'he who ignores history is condemned to repeat its mistakes'. I think this would be an excellent idea and could provide a very nice feature. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.

Weebear	Posted - 2005.07.24 09:49:00 - [21] - Quote Originally by: Reiisha Originally by: Balklanac Also any more classic EVE-movies...one i saw was that revolved around i assume a chat log script in which a pirate,victim and ermm a lawyer discuss a situation(it was just that char portraits with human voice overs...simple but brilliant)...i thought all 3 chars were fictioal...until i saw one in a chat forum..that vid sure was funny and i was going over some chat log postings in eve-pirate and found the video to be quite close to what was presented in the video...but i digress here from the topic. I think i know which one you mean. Will mean a hell of a lot of posts to search through, though. t20, please make a search feature :P No need, it's obviously one of Riz's Sounds like the TS Rumble video but they are all here. As for history, CCP are failing badly to exploit the biggest part of the game by not reporting on player made history. It's ten times better than most of the stuff that gets reported on the news screens. ----------------------- Honor and Serve!
Zen Later	Posted - 2005.07.24 09:58:00 - [22] - Quote Maybe do a combo of a timeline and seek some help from the forums crew here at eve-online.com and piece together a "history in their own words" type deal via the massive amount of forum posts. Not trying to be a jerk but somebody from Evol doing an impartial Eve history isn't going to fly for some folks. You boyz and girlz have quite a colourful history your own that stretches back to alpha days . Anyways, good luck with the project! It needs to be said again...the players make this game and some damn interesting stuff has gone on over the years.

Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:18:00 - [23] - Quote Very interesting you should post this. I was thinking of starting up a EVE History project where players from all corps and alliances could submit thier history, and have it all hosted in story form on a neutral website with concept art, video, previous maps etc. Exactly how to start such a project I have no idea, but would be happy to impartially mediate if people want to actually do it. Only some recorded history is on the corp forums/intergalatic summit, and thats mostly major alliance history, for corporations it really has to come from those that were actually around at the time.

Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:12:00 - [24] - Quote I still want to know what Ragnar's Hat is. ___________________________________________ ^^^*---All things serve the Beam---*^^^ GDBT is recruiting!
Eva Cenlentay	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:14:00 - [25] - Quote Originally by: Xelios Story to be maybe continued.... Really good story, would be great to see this all put together. So many things about Eve that I have missed out on. I look forward to seeing something from this project, really do. ----------
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2005.07.24 12:48:00 - [26] - Quote It goes way beyond even that. Some of the things on your list had been bubbling for a long time, way before the game was released. Endless and TTi, the failed prosecution on the hands of INO reporter Shadow_Stalker because someone gave him rights to the TTi forums (which Ragnar felt was a legal offence by the hands of poor SS). Not to mention all the old stuff; NSI, Khardakk, ISC, Dexen's Den, et cetera. EVE had history long before it was ever released, and some of the things that happened there still influence people.
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2005.07.24 14:34:00 - [27] - Quote Dexen's Den 4tw \o/ MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
Sun Wu	Posted - 2005.07.24 15:09:00 - [28] - Quote Originally by: MOOstradamus Dexen's Den 4tw \o/ =) ptc baby, older than endless muahaAHAHAHHAHAHAaaa ________________________________
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2005.07.24 16:47:00 - [29] - Quote MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
Reiisha	Posted - 2005.07.24 18:37:00 - [30] - Quote What's the name of the first corp ever? You know, the one that died even before beta started? Reiisha's Skills

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