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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:21:00 -
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What the hell is TAOSP?
Ragnar's hat, what was that all about?
Why did the Stain Alliance and the Curse Alliance go to war all that time ago?
Who remembers the Coalition of Curse? (Or was it the Curse Coalition?)
What's the name of the first ever alliance? (you know, Krath, Endless, TTI and another one... Oh hell, can't remember!)
And who the hell is Kalsrith?????
All of this is stuff that has interesting stories behind it, humerous, epic, and many other things. Sadly, no one of the old days passes them on to the new players, and some of the old ones don't even bother to remember.
So, where is the REAL history of EVE, including all the fine details? Not just the year 105 overview we've been stuck with for over a year.
If i have time i think i'll gonna try and dig up a lot of stuff about the old days, make some sort of an EVE chronicle. Not your 2 page essay, more like an encyclopedia, a history book, which will be kept up to date and not be forgotten after it's finished.
Might be a lotta work, but this is one of the thigns that makes EVE so unique. There are real people in those stories, not your run-of-the-mill nameless guy on server 562 in country x of continent y.
I think thos events and people deserve to be remembered, or rather, presented to the newer people, as a way of more background stories in EVE besides the NPC plots that are going on there.
Of course, getting all that info will be hard now. Some sites have been changed or taken down (i loved the old TTi nexus), forums have been wiped clean, corps ahve died and people left the game. Hence, i don't expect it to be easy, and it might be impossible to get the objective facts about all those events. Still, as they say, history is written by the victors, yet we still take all those books for granted.
Tips on what should be included can be posted here, or mail me ingame with stuff you think that should be researched. I'll see how far i get.... Although it might be a while untill a first result is there :)
Oh, and don't worry about my objectivity, for those who distrust Evolution members. I won't be writing any flames or insults towards corps we've fought.... No point in that. But i guess you'll have to trust me on that....
P.S.: This is a sudden thought that came to me. I wonder whether i'm still this enthousiastic when i wake up tomorrow morning.
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Claude Leon Make your own history. When I started EVE, that was day one for me. Forget the past and make the future. They call it HIStory for a reason.
That would be true, were it not that EVE is the only game that has a player-made history alongside the one that the devs put in.
I can't find another game that has this much player involvement as this one, and i find it a waste to let it all be forgotten, especially when there are so many memorable things in eve's history :)
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Posted - 2005.07.24 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Galk Edited by: Galk on 24/07/2005 01:37:01 You mean because we are small and as one community.
Can think of many instances where iv'e felt involved with the grand scale right down to the small things that make it all matter.
Edit* we came we saw... and yeah we did
I didn't get that feeling at the endless raids at Tarren Mill.
Nor do i get that feeling at Rubi-Ka's endless polygon wastes.
You get my point :)
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Posted - 2005.07.24 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Balklanac Also any more classic EVE-movies...one i saw was that revolved around i assume a chat log script in which a pirate,victim and ermm a lawyer discuss a situation(it was just that char portraits with human voice overs...simple but brilliant)...i thought all 3 chars were fictioal...until i saw one in a chat forum..that vid sure was funny and i was going over some chat log postings in eve-pirate and found the video to be quite close to what was presented in the video...but i digress here from the topic.
I think i know which one you mean. Will mean a hell of a lot of posts to search through, though.
t20, please make a search feature :P
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Posted - 2005.07.24 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist History in a game like this is pretty important because its all on one sever. There is no escaping it because reputations and past events dont "go away" until every last person who remembers quits. Hence, really "big" events like the Morbor scam, Ragnar's hat, CA/SA war, GHSC robbery and stuff like that lasts as long as the game itself. You will also find that some people can and are more than willing to hold grudges for years. And even if you havent been playing that long, the top level members of your corp might make choices based on it.
For example, I don't like Kayosoni, because he was/is a huge C4 smacktard.. even long after C4 and OC died. That means ATUK is no longer a corp on my list of corps to join if **** hits the fan.
I don't like FA, because of their arrogance and political backstabbing over a year ago, even though a majority of their older players have quit or are inactive.
I don't like M3G4, simply because of the name. They represent (although in no original form) a corp that was notorious for being a bunch of stupid no-skill *****s.
I could go on and on, but my list of enemies is too long for that. My list of real friends however isnt quite as long, but there are a few people out there which have my respect based on past history going back 3+ years.
*sighs..
I'm going to go murder some people to get rid of this filthy nostalgia ;O
Well then, you'll be my sidekick in this project. It'll be good to get rid of all that built up furstration :)
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Posted - 2005.07.24 18:37:00 -
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What's the name of the first corp ever? You know, the one that died even before beta started?
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Posted - 2005.07.25 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie North Star Incorporated, founded by Mr. Shadow and Jabu. Interstellar Security Company (ISC) followed a bit later, as well as Endless Corp. and a few others.
ISC was the one i sought. Is NSI older?
Would be nice if someone could mail me contact adresses for either - might be nice to get an interview from them :)
And hellgremlin, i know where to find you. Ye be warned.
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Posted - 2005.07.25 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari What's Ragnar's hat?
It's a cloth piece you wear on your head, only this one belongs to Ragnar.
I'm not exactly clear on the details - something i'll want to find out. Suffice to say that Ragnar, the CEO of the almighty TTI back in the first Venal Alliance days made a boo-boo which caused TTI to break down to the much smaller entity it is now.
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Posted - 2005.07.25 02:26:00 -
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Now i know why it's called Ragnar's hat.
You're hired, j0.
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Posted - 2005.07.25 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tekyong Carlunaire One server for all players. This creates an incredibly unique environment. I feel deprived not having been here since the beta days.
Quote: Exactly how to start such a project I have no idea, but would be happy to impartially mediate if people want to actually do it.
Someone here already said it should start in a wiki. It really should. Why not the EVE wiki? The table of contents are begging for an EVE History section.
Don't let the idea fizzle out as half-finished threads on these forums. The game has so much substance because of the collective actions of its players; why can't its recorded history be as rich and deep for the same reason?
A wiki might sound as a good idea, but the EVE player base is too small to keep it up in an objective way. Larger wiki's have a self-correcting nature, many people correct the info if the info that's there is wrong. But EVE's community is too small to let it work that way - people can simply ho the wiki to death with false info without people noticing it (immediately).
Also, there's only 1 history - why create the ability to change it all the time? Of course, for revising, but that only works if it's supervised by either a lot of people who actually know what it's about, or by admins. There aren't a lot of people who can keep checking the info, since a lot of them stopped playing for example, so i think that simply researching it thoroughly is a better way than trying to get a wiki to work.
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Posted - 2005.07.25 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine "Now i know why it's called Ragnar's hat.
You're hired, j0."
Afraid i won't be much of help, i only remember the random and weird stuff :< (like Ragnar's doings, or how Morkt Drakt fought the Jovian battleship in a Scorpion overloaded with sensor dampeners...)
I think Riddari was at some point trying to compile some sort of EVE history... dunno if he still plays, but you might want to ask him about it. and/or possibly Jade Constantine, she's been a part of many events, and i believe also has good collection of forum links to good history-related threads -.^;
Obscure is good. Very good.
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Posted - 2005.07.25 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Meehan Well, if you're interested I can give you an account about the history of Syndicate and particularly the PF/FD area from 2003.08 -> 2004.06
I've got a good memory and even though Evolution is one of the notorious enemies in that story, I consider myself fairly objective
I'll contact you for that in due time. Sounds interesting.
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Posted - 2005.07.25 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Roaming Edited by: Hans Roaming on 25/07/2005 12:31:43
Originally by: Reiisha
A wiki might sound as a good idea, but the EVE player base is too small to keep it up in an objective way. Larger wiki's have a self-correcting nature, many people correct the info if the info that's there is wrong. But EVE's community is too small to let it work that way - people can simply ho the wiki to death with false info without people noticing it (immediately).
This will be the case regardless of the tool, however a Wiki will allow the history to keep going when the person who started it gets bored and moves on.
If the one who starts it gets bored he passes on the 'burden'. I don't see why that has to be a problem.
Originally by: Hans Roaming
Originally by: Reiisha Also, there's only 1 history - why create the ability to change it all the time? Of course, for revising, but that only works if it's supervised by either a lot of people who actually know what it's about, or by admins. There aren't a lot of people who can keep checking the info, since a lot of them stopped playing for example, so i think that simply researching it thoroughly is a better way than trying to get a wiki to work.
I see you point however history in Eve didn't stop yesterday it's constantly being made, also people come back or remember different things.
In fact how about it CCP, load up a WIKI and just let the players put their history in. Would be better than a 3rd party who might get bored running it.
History stays the same, and many people remembering different things doesn't change that.
There should be only 1 fixed record of EVE's history imho - this way it can stay objective, because it's pretty clear that a wiki will be used for smacktalking and discrediting others instead of giving an objective view about others, at least in this subject. I also don't want EVE's history to be incomplete for ages regarding some of the mroe obscure events, to just wait for people to fill em in when they have other things to do doesn't help. The wiki will be popularized, and that's exactly what i don't want EVE's history to be. There's more than the GNW or m0o in EVE, if you get my point.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.07.25 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Trooper B99 It would be intersting to see how it would be organised considering some of the events happened as others were taking place. Player politics, wars, in game events all bundled together. Quite alot really and pretty complex in places depending on peoples views of what happened.
Personally I read alot but didn't take part as much in major happenings until towards the end of the last CA/CFS war and the c4 invasion of paragon soul etc.
If i can help (read: find the time ) I've afew recollections of afew player/CCP EVENTS and afew of things that happened in CFS/CA/SUPRM and now the MC and I like to think i'm relatively neutral/open minded.
I'll keep that in mind.
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Posted - 2005.07.25 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Novacain I might just add that my previous post was written in the assumption that an entire excavation of eve history parallel to the main story was not the point of the author of this thread. But from the position where the main story needed a 'human' touch by threading player experiences into it.
ATM there's no history at all. The history provided from CCP is from before we (the players) could interact with the eve universe.
The events that the devs put in, such as the caldari race, crielere, tha amarr succession = theya re all intertwined with player-made hsitory, they even take a backseat to it.
You can't pull Ecliptical loose from the Amarr succession, for example.
However, those events are all seperate from the overall history that the playerbase has made, and my focues would be on that history. The events provided by CCP still play a role, albeit small.
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Posted - 2005.07.25 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Omber Zombie i'm happy to help out, been around a while and seen a fair bit...
I'll hold you to that :)
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Posted - 2005.07.25 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Raem Civrie North Star Incorporated, founded by Mr. Shadow and Jabu. Interstellar Security Company (ISC) followed a bit later, as well as Endless Corp. and a few others.
ISC was the one i sought. Is NSI older?
Would be nice if someone could mail me contact adresses for either - might be nice to get an interview from them :)
And hellgremlin, i know where to find you. Ye be warned.
NSI was formed late october/early november 2000. ISC followed later in nov/dec. NSI was the first corporation in EVE to reach a member base of 50, ISC then broke that record gazillion times.
As for Mr.Shadow's and Jabu's addresses... 'fraid I can't help there. I happened to be the first one to join NSI, and pretty soon shared equal "power" with Mr. Shadow and Jabu. Of course, back then, administration consisted of shouting on the forums alot.
But I still cherish the fact that I was one of three directors of EVE's first corp. And I brag about it whenever I can, like right now.
If you can keep it up i might give you a chance to brag for 2 hours straight :P
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Posted - 2005.07.25 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow Ill try and see what i remember from my INO days. Might have some interviews, pressreleases and whatnot saved aswell.
Ill do some searching.
By whom was INO run? I can't really remember anything about it except for a few instances where some articles where pointed out.
I'll definately keep you in mind.
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Posted - 2005.07.25 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Uncle Chuckles Shins pants 4tw.
You've been in there? 0_o
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Posted - 2005.07.26 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mark A *snip* Ragnar's Hat explanation.
First, and i don't think anyone has ever mentioned this, kudos and respect to the loyalty of the TTI members, to still follow their leader blindly into this mess. While the leader might not get that respect from most, the members definately deserve it. Just had to say that.
Second, you've just appeared on my i-list :) I'm not going to be satisfied with this short text, which tries to explain and document a whole lot more than is mentioned. But, that's just me :P
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Posted - 2005.07.26 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Elve Sorrow Ill try and see what i remember from my INO days. Might have some interviews, pressreleases and whatnot saved aswell.
Ill do some searching.
By whom was INO run? I can't really remember anything about it except for a few instances where some articles where pointed out.
I'll definately keep you in mind.
Torkaj. Danish guy.
Also, I've been interviewed once recently (EVE-Radio). You should do HG instead.
I don't mean a personal interview, although there might be questions of that nature. I need a recollection of your experiences and memories, as detailed as possible about as much as you can remember, at least, for as far it's covered in my questions, if you get what i mean.
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Posted - 2005.07.26 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn Anyone interested in how the ongoing Amarr/Minmatar war started? :P
I'm not interested in CCP's main version, that's well-documented, and if need be i'll simply hire some privte eyes to find Gnauton.
I AM interested in how CVA and Ushra Khan (sorry if i dont mention others) got involved, and what part either plays in the war. PIE has been on my i-list since the beginning, so don't worry about that.
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Posted - 2005.07.26 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: sonofollo So where does FIX fit into all of this ?
On the hand, like a glove.
Don't worry, FIX will have it's place - although it's relatively new, so it'll have to wait :P
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Posted - 2005.07.26 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake *snip* Interesting read
You don't have to post stories in this thread. I'll come back to you and other PIE members regardless :P
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Posted - 2005.07.26 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Foreboding Edited by: Foreboding on 26/07/2005 13:47:54 That is why I started this game, honestly, one shard. One universe, one history. Makes players legends, good stuff. Please do it OP, I would love to read it!!
OP?
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Posted - 2005.07.27 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 26/07/2005 23:02:31
"OP?"
Original Poster or something along these lines... generally, whoever is to blame for starting the thread -.^
Now that made me feel like a newbie. Not that i didn't have times like that.....
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Posted - 2005.07.27 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT Edited by: OffBeaT on 27/07/2005 03:28:18 some corps/alliances/people might not wont there history too be told. it can be real dirty!
Then they're in bad luck. I won't leave alliances or corps out just because the messed up somewhere along the line - that means someone else reaped the benefits.
Should leave those entities out entirely? How would i explain that a region stayed uncolonized since the release of the game?
Should they just dissapear at the mess-up? Don't you think people won't ask where they went? No one will believe that 1000 players quite the game simultaniously for no reason.
Hence, no one is left out or unmentioned.
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Posted - 2005.07.28 02:56:00 -
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*bump*
Don't hold out on me people.
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Posted - 2005.07.28 21:03:00 -
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The second one isn't the one i was looking for, but it does help. Thanks :)
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Posted - 2005.07.30 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: abcdasdasd Edited by: abcdasdasd on 29/07/2005 05:37:48 -bump- what about the old alliances? This big early fleet wars? .
They aren't left out. There's a special spot reserved for the huge U-Q fight - i think that's still the largest fleet fight ever.
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Posted - 2005.07.31 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Karunel It would indeed be really cool to have an EVE History written. Maybe someone from ISD or a dev could try to coordinate.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Sabaoth btw, such a stilish corp they were. *sniff*
Saboath is on my i-list, don't worry :)
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Posted - 2005.07.31 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lucian Alucard Also in my experience the most forgotten warrior in Eve is Kileak he was a good mentor,a good fighter,a great FC and a outstanding friend, I miss him sorely.
Kileak has his own damn planet in Kor-Azor :P He'll not be left out.
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Posted - 2005.07.31 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Qalten History is very important. It allows us to learn from the mistake of others, and appreciate the efforts of groups and players of the past.
I heartily suggest a well-moderated EVE History Wiki.
A Wiki might be on the planning after the first draft is finished. Otherwise i'm afraid that lesser known events will simply not be put in, and others will be changed 2 times per minute....
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Posted - 2005.07.31 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine "Erm.
STEALTH BOMBERS"
As in, a taste of things to come, or example of pre-hat silliness that makes one tremble at the thought how much worse it might get now... when starting from such low point with the brand-new hat? ;s
While i'm honored that a dev took notice of this thread, please leave off-topic discussions out.
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Posted - 2005.07.31 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: PaulAtreides I have previously written a history on the region of K-TAY7 (Deklein) . I was there from the beginning until after the Great Northern War, when BoB (Gods Bless us all) took over the region.
Of course the history is controversial and contested, as it was written entirely from my PoV. I of course invite anyone to add / correct it as they saw it.
I might use that. You're on my i-list though, still.
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Posted - 2005.08.01 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Vicarrah
Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Tharrn Anyone interested in how the ongoing Amarr/Minmatar war started? :P
I'm not interested in CCP's main version, that's well-documented, and if need be i'll simply hire some privte eyes to find Gnauton.
I AM interested in how CVA and Ushra Khan (sorry if i dont mention others) got involved, and what part either plays in the war. PIE has been on my i-list since the beginning, so don't worry about that.
you should try and talk to Tyto and Viqer Fell.... when I joined TPFM waaaaay back, they were just starting out on the whole gank-the-empire-amarrian thing. My memory's pretty shot, but I'm sure with input from those two, you'll get a whole different aspect on the early amarr/minmatar conflict.
Some of the older Oracle guys are still about as well, I'm not sure when they started being amarr-killers, probably before I did, but I didn't really have any contact with them until much later on. Makkar, Sarkos and some of the other guys will be able to help there.
TPFM.... Always had me think of Monty Python. Still, an interesting subject :) I'll keep that in mind.
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Posted - 2005.08.01 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: NAFnist This has been a most pleasent thread to read. Having lived a fairly young EVE life, a history lesson kinda puts things in perspective.
I want more Please feed the dinosaur
You'll be reading more ASAP :)
Originally by: Omber Zombie
Originally by: Wendat Huron What's a CU Vapor and where did they all go?
it's an evil mining laser, and they are under lock and key in my hanger.
CU Vapors were awesome back when they cost a few mil to buy :D
Originally by: Vicarrah
Originally by: Reiisha TPFM.... Always had me think of Monty Python. Still, an interesting subject :) I'll keep that in mind.
I think that was kind of the point....
Funny name for a serious organisation. Same with PIE :P
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Posted - 2005.08.01 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Lucian Alucard Also in my experience the most forgotten warrior in Eve is Kileak he was a good mentor,a good fighter,a great FC and a outstanding friend, I miss him sorely.
Kileak has his own damn planet in Kor-Azor :P He'll not be left out.
I don't wish to be picky, but it's a moon that's named after him .
Ecliptical got a planet, and his wingmen each got a moon.
Moon, planet, whatever. At the moment he's one of the 4 people in EVE that have been 'eternified' in this manner.
Originally by: Sarkos
[url=http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=12948]Here[/url] is the thread which began the RP wars of Amarr vs Minmatar.
Hats off to my noble advisaries, it's been a fun ride. :)
Sarkos
Hmm, nice one.
Originally by: Sarkos An interesting bit of history is also that when the renegade Jovian General, Ouria attacked the Stain Empire with his brothers, Oracle was with them. That piece of history can be explained here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=25512
Sarkos
Also, a nice one. Keep em comming!
Originally by: Renox
Originally by: Lucian Alucard All I can say is that to this day I still hate Ragnar and Civil (from EV).
I was in on the voting channel and was not listed as speaking when jade made his thread about the debacle which came to be known as "Ragnars Magic Hat". As controversial and devastating as it was to lose TTI and SPVD, we would have been fine without TTI losing SPVD tho was a blow and then Terra Nova leaving was a disaster as well.
Tho I was around with my first char for most of the major events I still can not recall EVERYTHING. I forget why Evol and Xan came up, I think its was SPVD ganked a few of their members. I will ALWAYS hate some corps from PA,Occasious Republic/Romanian Renagades to name a few off the top of my head.
Also in my experience the most forgotten warrior in Eve is Kileak he was a good mentor,a good fighter,a great FC and a outstanding friend, I miss him sorely.
I can't remember Evols reason for attacking TTI (might have been something from beta, can't really remember.) but I am quite sure Xanadu's reason was boredom. TTI and Xanadu had been allied and on friendly terms, had even bought a scorp bp together.
That's how my memory tells me it was, might be wrong though. (were in TTI at the time)
Evol attacked because TTI attacked Evol, even though a mining pass was granted to them. At least, that's what i recall.
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Posted - 2005.08.02 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: Reiisha
Evol attacked because TTI attacked Evol, even though a mining pass was granted to them. At least, that's what i recall.
Wrong Reii, I'll post appropriate links for you in a couple of hours along with some ancient logs so you get the whole stor clear to you.
I'm waiting :)
Also, keep it comming! This thread is turning platinum very quickly :)
I won't reply to all posts anymore, but that doesn't mean i won't use them.
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Posted - 2005.08.03 22:58:00 -
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Which makes me wonder, why no ore redist at Shiva?
Keep em comming!
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Posted - 2005.08.04 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sarkos
Originally by: Discorporation That was Ywev, wasn't it?
Lol, yes it was and Lord Zap NEVER let him live that down. Hehehehe
I can rememebr an evol member doing something else:
A scorpion, with mwd running, and eject on accident. There he was, in a pod, with the scorp running away pretty fast... Dunno how it went out, was a funny story tho, although not very known it seems.
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Posted - 2005.08.04 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Maasu ...
Please don't turn this thread into a flame war. If you have contradicting memories, post them without the commentary towards others.
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Posted - 2005.08.05 15:27:00 -
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I think i'll use the principle of "the median cut" in this matter :D
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Posted - 2005.08.06 08:48:00 -
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*shameless bumpage*
We're not done yet!
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Posted - 2005.08.08 22:54:00 -
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Aaaight, more people added on the i-list!
Tholarim, does Duke still play?
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Posted - 2005.08.09 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Maasu
Originally by: Reiisha Aaaight, more people added on the i-list!
Tholarim, does Duke still play?
He's kept one of his characters, but doesnt really play like he used to.
No reason to hide from me then :D
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.08.12 19:21:00 -
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Aaight, bookmarked :D
Keep this thread alive people!
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.08.25 08:00:00 -
[48]
*bump*
Keep it alive, people!
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.08.26 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jaabaa Prime Ah how I rememeber times of CA vs Rest Of EVE
And fleet battles like this (image) (link taken from this thread).
Also the beginnings of CA when everyone dropped their NPC setups and miners at shightest sniff of a fight. It's expansion, political strangulation and finally it's death.
I still think there should be a monument beacon errected in the "U-QVWD Graveyard" remembering all the pilots that lost their ships and pods in the constant struggle for control of that system.
Ahh, the memories.
I can remember the huge battle there once, like 120 vs 130 people? There was a video about it, dunno where the thread went.....
UQ should indeed get a monument for those battles :)
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.08.26 10:20:00 -
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I thought the OP could bump posts.... Must be the rules of another forum.
Anyhow, corp history is important aswell, and will be seperate subject in this project. So far i got 3 parts:
- Alliance history About alliances and their ups and downs, how they shaped the landscape, and so on.
- Corp history About individual corps, how they did or did not affect alliances and events throughout EVE's history. Many corps have never been part of any alliance, but they are still a vital part of the history.
- Economic history The completely isolated and player controlled economy is pretty unique. You can see similarities to real-world economics, and as such, EVE is a great place to see how thigns might work out. Because alliacne and corp history have little to nothing to do with most of the economic events in EVE, this gets it's own part.
There might be more subjects commin along, maybe something like Empire events, but those have had such a small impact on EVE's actual history that these may be put in as footnotes rather than to get their own chapters. Sad for Aurora, but it's the truth. They didn't decide how prices were going to change or how territories were to be divided, they only served as 'kurzweil'.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.08.27 08:30:00 -
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The CFS fell apart for only 1 reason: No communication between corps, and no one even knew each other. I've been vice-pres, had to try and get something going, but everything just bounced of the indifference of a lot of members. They wanted to get, but not give.
I tried to push through a change in government once, to change from the senate/ministry model to a council model to get orders going through faster, but to no avail. The indifference was a big let-down....
If the alliance system would have come just a few months sooner, the CFS would still be alive. The communication benefits (no one can leave the alliance chat) provide a means to rally more people than the ones in the 'secure' chatchannel.
I once even tried to get everyone in a single, huge CFS corp... But that met an indifferent brick wall even before the senate got to vote for it. (ministry biatches)
I hope someone tries to make a new CFS someday...... I really do.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.08.29 07:49:00 -
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I never knew the CA was this diplomatic :D
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.08.30 16:21:00 -
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I explained before why a Wiki might not be a good idea. The community is very nice and forthcoming - but the unstable elements can screw it all up within minutes. You have that a lot less with more general wiki's, that don't go into personal affairs (and let's face it, eve history is personal for a lot of people).
An adminned wiki might not be a good idea either, since it takes a lot of time to process the stuff - a more general site that offers the history as is is still, imho, the best idea. People can still discuss changes and what should and should not have been, but like this it is controllable untill all pieces have actually been used.
A wiki generally only uses the pieces for the mian picutre and leaves the sky pieces out, because they're too difficult to piece together, and that's not acceptable to me at least....
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.08.30 16:32:00 -
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Contact information is always good.
FYI - i'll be starting with the investigation soon, concentrating on pre-release history. I want everything that happened before armageddon day done.
Some people may wonder "why include beta history, it doesnt have anythign to do with after release?". Well, it's because the beta laid the foundations for a lot of current-day situations. Most alliances didn't go to inhabit certain 0.0 regions because they felt like it, and grudges have been flying high since before release - some wars were dragging on since before the game was released. Keeping this in mind it's a good idea to document what happened before the game went live.
That being said:
I can't do everything on my own. Even though it's been only 2 years, EVE is too big to handle for 1 person. Also, as a historian, my (and other's) position is unique - we can document events almost falwlessly as they actually happened, not as the victors wrote their history. The people in question can be interviewed, and if CCP is forthcommin, actual stats can be dug up.
But, i digress.
Right now, i'm looking for people which might be interested in doing Corp history and Economic history. I myself will tend to Alliance history.
Those 3 areas can't be viewed as a whole, because they interact, but don't influence each other completely. There's lots of corps that never caught a glimpse on the territorium wars but still made their mark (Techell and Jericho Fraction come to mind, although they might not be the best examples). Evolution and m0o are other examples of this.
Economic history is self-explanatory - while boring to many it will hold great value, if documented properly, to those who want to know how the EVE market actually works.
So, i'm looking for people that are interested in documenting the history of this unique environment. Contact me on eve mail :)
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.09.02 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Scott
Originally by: Reiisha What the hell is TAOSP?
I have to go to work in a few minutes, but I will try to answer this one.
Back in phase 4 of Beta, HellGremlin was part of Endless Corporation(I think the CEO, don't remember). Endless Corp was, at the time, at war with Omega Corp, founded by Duke Droklar. Being a part of OC back in the days, we fought often, not only outside of stations, but against eachother in events.
Anyways, Hellgremlin did some backstabbing in EC, and eventually left the corporation. He then formed a pirate corporation, I believe the first ever, along with a few others. This corporation was called something very long that I can't remember, but the abbreviation was TAOSP. Duke Droklar vowed to fight HellGremlin wherever he went, so throught phase 6 and 7 of beta, OC fought TAOSP as enemies, as well as a couple other corps like Xanadu iirc. There was also much controversey of a CCP staff member being part of TAOSP, or at least in kahoots with them. His name was James or something.. I forget.
Anyway, HellGremlin, and all of his backstabbing earned him so much hate amongst the beta community, that all the personal attacks and RL threats against his life drove him out of the game for a while. I'm not sure what happened to TAOSP afterwards, I think they dissolved.
Anyway, this was all such a long, long time ago and I could be wrong on a few things, but hopefully that answers your question about TAOSP. :-P
The questions in my OP are rhetoric - i know the answers, but others don't.
You're a 'little bit' off with TAOSP. TAOSP was a group of people playing Homeworld, people like Frst, Molle, Shin (after which TAOSP was named). About 10 people got in really early in the alpha/beta, and so formed this corp. Eventually they wanted to have fun and declared war against TTi (i think), which had 20 times it's membercount - but nonetheless, TAOSP won this war with almost no losses. Henceforth, TAOSP was a force that was known and to be reckoned with. The corp changed it's name to a more consicsious name after the game went live:
Evolution.
I'm pretty sure Molle will never want HG near his corp, not in the past, not now, not ever :P
HG was with Endless, but more than that i don't know - ask him yourself.
Also, i might be off on some parts with the TAOSP story - there's a great thread on it on our forums, maybe i can summarize it and put a link up to it on my own site.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.09.02 19:59:00 -
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Also, Kalsh, you still haven't mailed me a mirror of KalsJournal!!!!
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.09.02 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Amitious Turkey I AM IN I WILL HELP
IVE GOT AN IDEA.
how about you, Reiisha, have some sort of unnofficial corp for ppl who want to help? so people can report their corp battles and stuff? I dunno how it will work out though.....
ive been playing since castor. i might not be able to remember everything, but im sure i can help. plus ive got some old corp members.....they all have white beardssome have played since beta i think....
An unofficial corp would be rather redundant. People can simply post here, or eve mail me if it's really needed :P
Eventually i want an out-of-game way of reporting this kind of stuff, but i'm working on that.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.09.06 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kail S'dow Edited by: Kail S''dow on 05/09/2005 03:29:12 This thread's pretty difficult to navigate for a newbie like myself. Has all of this information been compiled into a less "Chaotic" writing? It'd be nice if I could read about all the Empires/Races/Corporations without having to shuffle through eight pages every time I wanted to find something out, quite possibly to spend all that time to find nothing.
Just a thought.
I've opened this thread for exactly that purpose, to gather information. No one compiled all this info yet, so the one who will do it will have some work lying ahead - that's how it goes.
You'll have to have some patience though, before this is all done.....
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.09.14 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Amitious Turkey
Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Amitious Turkey I AM IN I WILL HELP
IVE GOT AN IDEA.
how about you, Reiisha, have some sort of unnofficial corp for ppl who want to help? so people can report their corp battles and stuff? I dunno how it will work out though.....
ive been playing since castor. i might not be able to remember everything, but im sure i can help. plus ive got some old corp members.....they all have white beardssome have played since beta i think....
An unofficial corp would be rather redundant. People can simply post here, or eve mail me if it's really needed :P
Eventually i want an out-of-game way of reporting this kind of stuff, but i'm working on that.
ok..spur of the moment idea just a thought for if someones reporting a battle or something. Now that i look back it IS redundant
That would mean that people need to move from their own corp, or make an alt - but the alt would need at least a cov ops or inty for mobility and limited survivability (accidents can happen), and this presents another hurdle to take.
Reporting events can be done by a participant aswell, and fraps of the bigger events are almost always available for review.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.09.15 00:01:00 -
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Everyone who wants to chat ingame about EVE's history (well, i can hope, can't i) can join the channel EVE History.
I'd like to see *some* people in there, if just for giggles :P
I won't be on there 24/7, so please don't immediately close it when no one's there....
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.11.12 15:55:00 -
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That will be the day :D
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.01.03 14:49:00 -
[62]
The link doesn't work....
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.01.10 07:11:00 -
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Right now i'm waiting for some more detailed accounts of people, which i'll put together soon. Interviews with people might follow. The first result (beta history) will be made public in a month or 3, if everything goes to plan, and depending on how much material there is to go through.
I don't do status reports like this often, so you'll ahve to sit tight for most of the time :)
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:18:00 -
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For my own reference:
Gold Magnate
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.01.29 14:47:00 -
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The reason why i won't like a wiki for this:
Clicky
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.02.13 15:56:00 -
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It's still going, slowly, but still.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.03.19 15:06:00 -
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The first few months of post-retail will be comming up for investigation soon... I'll be getting back to this.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.03.21 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Val Amon
Originally by: DB Preacher The Fall of the Fountain alliance.
RKK history
Why when someone else did the same thing in regards to spys taking the pos fuel and stealing ships did ccp return all the ships to them, but you guys get away with it?
I find this to be very unfair and the amount of ships you guys took/destroyed was 10x what the other dude who did the same thing managed to get and your event lead to quite a few people quitting eve all together cause they didnt know who was fof.
I think you win the award of best reason to hate pilots you dont know with that little story, hands down.
Read down to see the reason.... POS's couldn't be destroyed because you could keep refilling them in reinforced mode. That's why they took to that method.
As for the other thing, it would help if you'd say what you're talking about.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.03.26 10:27:00 -
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We're comming close to the EON #3 release, which includes some very insightful Beta experiences. I'm always looking for more though, so if you find something, don't hesitate to contact me.
I'll be starting research into early retail very soon, the time frame is roughly the first 3-4 months after may 6th, 2003. I'm looking for everything relating to the period, not just m0o related incidents or big names. By this time i will need to find an economic expert for this, since that part of history should be recorded aswell. Any help would be appreciated!
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.04.03 11:59:00 -
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Nice stuff :)
I'll make use of it soon(tm)
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.05.08 17:49:00 -
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I'll try and find out as much as possible.
And atm, no real gallente legends yet that i know of.....
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.05.09 15:53:00 -
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The Endless-TTi war has been covered in the first beta article. This end will come into the next one though, most probably...
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.06.08 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vortex Freeman I've got some pieces of information about the CA/SA war outbreak that I think is of interest for your project. I've got all the chatlogs saved. Did not read all 8 pages of this thread so forgive me for asking, where should I submit this material?
You can always eve mail me or reach me on IRC (#eve-online on coldfront). Otherwise, try e-mailing me.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.07.11 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Matrix Aran They had an arangement with FA to hold the two stations in Period Basis for FA in exchange for the use of the region.
When exactly was this? Speaking in terms of smuggler gates and cfs disbanding, etc.
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Reiisha
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.07.18 18:30:00 -
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I could use this, of course. I can use everything that has to do with eve's history, no matter how small.
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Reiisha
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.07.31 11:39:00 -
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RKK History
Posted for own reference.
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Reiisha
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.08.29 03:52:00 -
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The article in question is in Eon #3, on actual paper \o/
You'll have to order Eon to read it at the moment.
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Reiisha
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.09.03 06:08:00 -
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/me bows to the masters
Would be nice to arrange something where i can take a few screenshots of one :)
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Reiisha
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.09.03 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Glengrant Reiischa - not sure but if you were in CFS then I remember you. :-)
Accidentaly found this thread. Compiling an Eve History is a great idea - had the same thought a while ago.
What would be is a a wiki IMHO - so it would be easy for many people to add to the timeline.
(sorry of this idea was already mentioned - didn't yet read though all 9 pages :-) )
cheers
Glengrant TOHA Heavy Industries
I opposed a wiki at first, but right now i'm thinking that it might be a good idea to have one after all. Not in an entirely open form though, i still fear people are going to spam it with useless info or change other people's pages for giggles.
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Reiisha
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.09.07 16:44:00 -
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I'd like to know which joker bought eve-history.com .....
Whois shows an empty page.
But whatever, i just got the .net version.
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Reiisha
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.09.11 16:57:00 -
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The EVE History Wiki is online!
Will take a while to get used to. More in the OP and in a post in general later.
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Reiisha
Satal's Legion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.07 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Crucifier Just to let you know Stain at its hight ruled 11 regions
For 15 seconds, before 5 took it over :P
EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
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