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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2005.07.25 02:58:00 -
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To be honest I would much rather have symetrical ships. Right now, almost all ships in eve are condemned to a life in space. In their current shape and form they would crash within 10 seconds of entering the atmosphere of any planet. ______________
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Darlan Flame
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Posted - 2005.07.25 03:24:00 -
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Considering the vast differances between space and air travel, I'd be willing to bet that any one of them would crash almost immediatly, regardless of how symetrical they are.
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Kelhund
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Posted - 2005.07.25 03:56:00 -
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personally, I like the fact that the ships are not symmetrical, more eye candy :D
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Shiner BockBeer
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Posted - 2005.07.25 04:01:00 -
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Tempest is not symetrical.. Look at the gun turret mounts, one vertical one horizontal.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.07.25 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pieg To be honest I would much rather have symetrical ships. Right now, almost all ships in eve are condemned to a life in space. In their current shape and form they would crash within 10 seconds of entering the atmosphere of any planet.
I prefer symmetry too, maybe its just me but I wouldnt design a starship that has an engine out in the middle of nowhere
~Sobe
Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss
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Godgifu
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Posted - 2005.07.25 06:32:00 -
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Assymmetry is fine in space, except that most of these ships are combat ships; it doesn't really make sense to design a combat ship that has a bunch of important stuff located on the head of strut jutting out of the hull. However, if the ship designs made sense as combat ships, they'd all look pretty similar, something like the Borg Cube out of ST:NG.
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Zac Paris
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Posted - 2005.07.25 07:19:00 -
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Brutix
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Azrael Callidor
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Posted - 2005.07.25 13:27:00 -
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There is really really no need for symmetry on a spacecraft. In fact, most r/l spacecraft are nowhere near symmetrical, only those that require some sort of atmospheric flight like the shuttle. Something as gargantuan as an eve ship (particularly battleships, the apoc is constructed from an entire planet/moon's stripped resources) is just not going to be able to go anywhere near a planet let alone land on it.
Also no ships have 'wings' :\ i tend to think that the minnie fins are solar panels or heat sinks of some kind. Its much more likely that something as huge as even a cruiser is going to be designed ad-hoc, bits added, converted and developed into what it comes out as rather than sitting down and designing it from start to finish. This would vary a tad according to the race, for example Matari vessels following a practical development rather than an aesthetic one. In spacecraft design you just put things where they need to go, not where they look good. Eve's aysmmetry might take a bit of getting used to, but believe me its far more believable whether CCP intended it that way or not...
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.07.25 13:48:00 -
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I think people are confusing symetry with aerodynamics. Ships in space don't have to be aerodynamic or symetrical, however you still have to deal with making sure thrust vectors go through the centre of gravity and you got to think about moments of inertia. As some of the ships in eve have exhausts burning their hull they are designed by artists to look good but wouldn't be very practical to fly.
Anyway the physics are not realistic so it doesn't matter and the game would suffer for it, think combat in Elite II. The Brutix is bilaterally symetical. WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa. WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK |
hired goon
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Posted - 2005.07.25 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Arowe Telak No caldari ship is truly symmetrical.
Stick a Caldari Navy Hookbill in your pipe and smoke it!
I've always believed the Caldari's ships are designed by computers to a set parameter, which is why they don't look nice but are very efficient. Where as Amarr ones probably are designed to look majestic and powerful by zealots locked away in the dank back-rooms of the imperial capitol buildings. ------------
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Sentani
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Posted - 2005.07.25 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Calian In space there is no reason for a ship to be symetrical anyway. Aircraft are all symetrical because of the nature of aerodynamics, but in space there is no air to deal with so no reason for a ship to be symetrical.
I like the fact most aren't symetrical anyway, to me ships that are symetrical look unrealistic, too much like a movie designers idea of what looks cool rather than what looks functional.
theres no air but theres gas cloads... imagine a brickshaped ship flying thru a nebula at really high speed... it would probably get torn apart or melted...
offcourse these are just my theories ...
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Dominik
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Posted - 2005.07.25 15:50:00 -
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I'm pretty sure Thrasher is symmetrical as well.
I kinda prefer the symmetrical designs as well...or at least the nearly-symmetrical ones. Rifter is absolutely my favorite hull design in the game.
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Azrael Callidor
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Posted - 2005.07.25 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sentani
theres no air but theres gas cloads... imagine a brickshaped ship flying thru a nebula at really high speed... it would probably get torn apart or melted...
offcourse these are just my theories ...
[geek mode] Just for information's sake even in a "gas cloud" the gas is going to be a lot less dense than a gas mixture like an atmosphere and there would insignificant aerodynamic heating. Brick shaped or arrow shaped, the gas isnt gonna be dense enough to do much more than slightly adjust the ships motion, let alone burn it up. If it IS dense enough eg some sort of plasma cloud, a little aerodynamic friction is gonna be the least of your worries Tungsten plating ftw [/geek mode]
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Justice Bringer
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Posted - 2005.07.25 16:08:00 -
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Wolf/Jaguar (not sure about the Jag as i don't have one) Maulus (scrap that since i haven't noticed the curved opening) Scythe Hoarder Mammoth (I think)
just to name a few more.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.07.25 16:55:00 -
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Most of the ships that arent symmetrical are also not centerline thrusting. Even the Apoc isnt thrust from the centerline and its symmetrical.
The Armageddon is still the best looking ship in the game, and its one of the few that look like it could be based on real science.
~Sobe
Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss
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Joe Kickass
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Posted - 2005.07.25 17:49:00 -
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It has probaly been said but the Cormorant and Ferox are almost symetrical. The Merlin and Caracal are however as are most of the shuttles.
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X'Alor
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Posted - 2005.07.25 19:00:00 -
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Doesn't Amarr have the most of any race?
geddon apoc sacraledge maller crusader both asault frigs malediction ???? arbitrator punisher
not to mention all the other smaller ships and cruisers.
Come to think of it, might be easier to ask, what amarrian ships are NOT symetrical?
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ManOfHonor
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Posted - 2005.07.25 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: ManOfHonor on 25/07/2005 19:08:24
Originally by: Azrael Callidor Something as gargantuan as an eve ship (particularly battleships, the apoc is constructed from an entire planet/moon's stripped resources) is just not going to be able to go anywhere near a planet let alone land on it.
thats the amarr Titan, not an Apoc..... omfg.... Linkage
oh and whoever said the arma was the best looking ship in the game...
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!? that thing is uglier than the heap of boxes RAVEN... and it looks like a giant d***o ffs!
edit: ahh! you traitor! ammatar! damn your dead emporor and your 'god' _____________________________ Honor Glory And Strength! Honor Above Self Glory For Self Strength Of Self
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X'Alor
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Posted - 2005.07.25 19:56:00 -
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anyone one ever notice when looking at the raven from directly above.
rotate till front is directly heading to the right of screen.
it looks like an uzi or mac 10 or some mini sub machine gun with a clip installed.
long wing is handle there is a little trigger notch but no trigger.
barrel is the front nose bulb and tip.
clip is the short wing.
i dunno ...... looks like a dang uzi to me.
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Calian
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Posted - 2005.07.25 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Most of the ships that arent symmetrical are also not centerline thrusting. Even the Apoc isnt thrust from the centerline and its symmetrical.
The Armageddon is still the best looking ship in the game, and its one of the few that look like it could be based on real science.
Ships don't need to have their thrust down the center, it needs to go through the center of gravity, which is very different. Since ships aren't prefectly uniform in terms of mass, you can have engines just about anywhere so long as there is sufficient mass distribution to put the total thrust vector of all the engines through the center of gravity.
So in other words, since no one has any real data on mass distribution within each spaceship, they can build them any way they want and just put the mass where it'll work right.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.07.25 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: ManOfHonor oh and whoever said the arma was the best looking ship in the game...
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!? that thing is uglier than the heap of boxes RAVEN... and it looks like a giant d***o ffs!
edit: ahh! you traitor! ammatar! damn your dead emporor and your 'god'
Man, I dont even fly one I just like it's look. It looks like a Battleship.
~Sobe
Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.07.25 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Calian
Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Most of the ships that arent symmetrical are also not centerline thrusting. Even the Apoc isnt thrust from the centerline and its symmetrical.
The Armageddon is still the best looking ship in the game, and its one of the few that look like it could be based on real science.
Ships don't need to have their thrust down the center, it needs to go through the center of gravity, which is very different. Since ships aren't prefectly uniform in terms of mass, you can have engines just about anywhere so long as there is sufficient mass distribution to put the total thrust vector of all the engines through the center of gravity.
So in other words, since no one has any real data on mass distribution within each spaceship, they can build them any way they want and just put the mass where it'll work right.
Yes...but take a look at an Apoc then tell me it follows what you just said.
~Sobe
Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.07.25 20:16:00 -
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Ships need more thrusters for turning.
How an apoc turns with only it's rear thrusters doesn't make any sense. The same goes for a lot of ships... ________________________________________________________
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2005.07.25 21:00:00 -
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Quote: How an apoc turns with only it's rear thrusters doesn't make any sense. The same goes for a lot of ships...
This question bothers me till I get in my poc and start drinking the banana rum that fills the space between the outer and inner hull. Then questions like that just don't seem to matter as I belt out the bannana boat song.
Nyxus
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Kaalise
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Posted - 2005.07.25 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius Ships need more thrusters for turning.
How an apoc turns with only it's rear thrusters doesn't make any sense. The same goes for a lot of ships...
It could Fire up the left/right thrusters more than the right/left? Although that would be an incredibly inefficient way of maneuvering, perhaps they have a primitive form of Gravitics.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.07.25 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sentani
theres no air but theres gas cloads... imagine a brickshaped ship flying thru a nebula at really high speed... it would probably get torn apart or melted...
If the LEM wasn't torn apart by the lunar atmosphere then our ships won't be torn apart by planetary nebulae.
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Zezman
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Posted - 2005.07.25 22:22:00 -
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With the exception of its turret hardpoints, the Thrasher, Minmatar Destroyers, is perfectly symmetrical. Too bad mine blowed up.
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darkestsamurai
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Posted - 2005.07.25 23:33:00 -
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I'm glad somebody else said it first,lol most of the ships in this game look soooo crappy, you think with all the talent they have they could come up with some really kick ass looking ships.Now, don't all you fan boys out there get your britches in a bunch its just my opinion, but never the less I think with the exception of a few ships most look like what I would perceive as garbage haulers. I really don't know what they were thinking when they designed these things, maybe they wanted to be original? in any case they are ugly
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Calian
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Posted - 2005.07.25 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: darkestsamurai most of the ships in this game look soooo crappy, you think with all the talent they have they could come up with some really kick ass looking ships.
And if with that talent they designed ships you thought looked cool, lots of other people would think they sucked. It's not a matter of talent to make something "look cool" since as you say, everyone has their own opinions about what is cool or not, so no matter how much talent you have, you can never make something everyone likes. I personally love the ship designs for instance.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.07.26 13:16:00 -
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Me too, but not the cheesy Megathron. You just know it's going to transform into a robot one day and start dancing to dodgy european pop music. ------------
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