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Tempban Darkfall
Darkfall Corp
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Posted - 2013.02.16 18:46:00 -
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Because it costs CCP more money to police them than to not. They make more money by not caring and claim its because EVE is supposed to a "harsh" environment or someshit. I never believed that BS falcon spew that it benefits the game by making it more realistic and I feel bad for those who did. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4483
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Posted - 2013.02.16 18:54:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:So why do they exist and are not being investigated for botting? Because people are not reporting them? Because there is a backlog of reports to process? Reports only feed data to the algorithms, and does not trigger an actual investigation. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
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Posted - 2013.02.16 18:56:00 -
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Forum Clone 77777 wrote:Altrue wrote:Why not just limitating the messages per account to, say, 10 per hour in jita local and other trade hubs ?
In a system with thousands of players reading you, that's still amazingly high. And at least it would keep the flood under control.
Remember than flooding is basically a vicious circle, the more people do it, the more they feel compelled to do it to remain visible enough. And that's exponential.
Putting a hard cap on how many messages an account can write in Jita will relieve the server. Preventing trial account from talking in Jita would also force very determined spammer to use multiple accounts, so at least they would be paying CCP to handle the excessive server load they generate. Seems legit to me.
Its rare that I see a good idea on these forums.. This isnt one of those rare times though, terrible idea.
It's rare I see a constructive answer on these forums...
Same thing here :p
Whitehound wrote:Altrue wrote:Why not just limitating the messages per account to, say, 10 per hour in jita local and other trade hubs ? I have no love for Jita local either, but why do you want to dictate what others can and cannot do? Just stop looking at it. Minimize it while you are there or use block. Anyone who cannot do this deserves to suffer the spams and scams. How else are you going to learn to use the given tools? Think about it. Why this obsession with Jita local?! Is it OCD, is ASCII killing you? Is it because the spammers won't let you get onto your soap box so you can talk to 2300 people? What is the real problem?!
The problem is that closing your eyes to avoid an issue is not the proper solution. The fact that there are ways to avoid the issue does not mean that the issue can't be looked at.
The problem with Jita local is that it's been rendered unusable. Perhaps you don't mind botting taking away some features of the game, but I do. Because of these spam bots, sometimes you can't access Jita as all the available slots are taken, and it generates a dispensable load on Jita's node... G££ <= Me |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
965
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Posted - 2013.02.16 19:04:00 -
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Since Jita doesn't require Spam skill trained to level 5 that can't be trained on trial accounts in order to actually talk in Jita local, then I suppose it is impossible for CCP to silence the spam bots?
Although, that does bring to light an interesting counter: a chat skill for local based on some criteria specific to trade hubs trade hubs perhaps? IDK. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Clara Stewart
Stewart Collections
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Posted - 2013.02.16 20:13:00 -
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To be fair the spam has been good to me, I agree it can be annoying but sometimes there is a good contract dropped into local. You can make an income from these contracts if you learn who is who in Jita local, the last one was about 3 weeks ago a fully fitted proteus for 300m doubled my isk on that prior to that a courier contract net me around 500m after the issuer failed to set a correct collateral.
If Jita local weren't so fast paced it would be likely someone else would have picked these up. |
Cyprus Black
The Learning Curve.
660
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Posted - 2013.02.16 20:17:00 -
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I've been reporting these eveopolis guys as RMT isk sellers and bot spammers. Mainly because that's what they are.
Every God damn day the exact same RMT spam bots are in Jita spamming 24/7 without pause or break.
Does the Report Isk Spammer button actually do anything? Or is it like the button on the crosswalk that isn't actually wired to anything?
Maybe we should start a Name-n-Shame list again to get CCP to do something about it. It's worked before. Trolling is like art. Anyone can finger paint, but it takes true talent to create a masterpiece. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.16 21:05:00 -
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Jita local spamming is a gateway to market botting.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
517
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Posted - 2013.02.16 21:08:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:I know I leave my tab on something other than local everytime I have to go to Jita, but it seems that local is being spammed by bots 24/7 and nothing is done about it.
Sure some people might actually do the keystrokes to post the last message the said, but really now... Do you think they really do that for hours on end without some type of a programatic assistance?
Is it because they tend to not have a true financial gain compared to other botters? I mean it takes a sucker to fall for most of their scams before they make money, but obviously they do it all the time regardless of the profit.
So why do they exist and are not being investigated for botting?
ccp said they would look at it but other bots are a priority as they have greater impacts on eve. There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |
Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.16 21:12:00 -
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people seem to quote one specific part of the eula (at least, in the other thread) which relates to gaining stuff at a rate faster than normal gameplay.
now, spamming local doesn't gain you anything faster than normal other than people's ire which you could arguably do faster by just convoing them and calling them a ****. also, due to the 5 min timer on order updates, are market bots even breaking the eula? surely with the 5 min limit a bot can't update faster than a player so they can't generate income faster than a regular player.
are they even breaking the eula? Obvious Goon alt that's never mined a day in his life(!) |
Arduemont
Tempest Legion Corcoran State
1225
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Posted - 2013.02.16 21:21:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:So why...are not being investigated for botting?
They are.
/thread "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
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YuuKnow
boom-town
648
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Posted - 2013.02.16 21:35:00 -
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The local spammers are harmless. Think of them as a part of the scenary like the lights of Las Vegas. Jita wouldn't be Jita without them.
What *IS* a problem is the jita MARKET bots. A half-dozen cheaters can ruin the game for the rest of the 350k subscribers and are allowed to do so. THATs where our attention should be going. IMHO they are more distruptive to the game than even mining bots.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
7183
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Posted - 2013.02.16 22:36:00 -
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I have something in the works that hopefully will help as well
/c
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Whitehound
847
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Posted - 2013.02.16 22:56:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:The local spammers are harmless. Think of them as a part of the scenary like the lights of Las Vegas. Jita wouldn't be Jita without them.
What *IS* a problem is the jita MARKET bots. A half-dozen cheaters can ruin the game for the rest of the 350k subscribers and are NOT allowed to do so. THATs where our attention should be going. IMHO they are more distruptive to the game than even mining bots.
yk Fixed it. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
YuuKnow
boom-town
648
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Posted - 2013.02.16 22:56:00 -
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Chribba wrote:I have something in the works that hopefully will help as well /c
Do tell.
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Skorpynekomimi
449
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Posted - 2013.02.16 23:15:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:The local spammers are harmless. Think of them as a part of the scenary like the lights of Las Vegas. Jita wouldn't be Jita without them.
What *IS* a problem is the jita MARKET bots. A half-dozen cheaters can ruin the game for the rest of the 350k subscribers and are allowed to do so. THATs where our attention should be going. IMHO they are more distruptive to the game than even mining bots.
yk
But you can force their prices right down, buy them out, and re-list. |
YuuKnow
boom-town
648
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Posted - 2013.02.16 23:19:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:YuuKnow wrote:The local spammers are harmless. Think of them as a part of the scenary like the lights of Las Vegas. Jita wouldn't be Jita without them.
What *IS* a problem is the jita MARKET bots. A half-dozen cheaters can ruin the game for the rest of the 350k subscribers and are allowed to do so. THATs where our attention should be going. IMHO they are more distruptive to the game than even mining bots.
yk Fixed it. Fixed back
yk |
Cyprus Black
The Learning Curve.
661
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Posted - 2013.02.17 01:47:00 -
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In the spirit of naming and shaming, here are the current RMT spam bot offenders:
laila Krividus Zane Vega MagbellUA2 STRAYDOG1 lou forkinyo EVEa PromoGirl
Right click report either doesn't work or the GMs aren't doing their jobs. Trolling is like art. Anyone can finger paint, but it takes true talent to create a masterpiece. |
Revajin
15 Minute Outliers Novus Dominatum
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Posted - 2013.02.17 01:58:00 -
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Jita bots don't negatively affect the game, just your experience if you're dumb enough to believe them. I haven't seen real conversations in Jita local since Incarna and even that was just carebears crying carebear tears. |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.02.17 02:19:00 -
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Revajin wrote:Jita bots don't negatively affect the game, just your experience if you're dumb enough to believe them. I haven't seen real conversations in Jita local since Incarna and even that was just carebears crying carebear tears.
Well even though their impact is minimal, my question was aren't they still botters and isn't that against the EULA?
Botting is still botting no matter how inoculous it is.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
RAP ACTION HERO
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Posted - 2013.02.17 08:56:00 -
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Are they really harder to detect and ban? vitoc erryday |
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Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
320
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Posted - 2013.02.17 09:16:00 -
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Because subs are not dropping due to them. New inventory: Getting better since version 1.2, but what about back and forward buttons? |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
322
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Posted - 2013.02.17 12:42:00 -
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Clara Stewart wrote: sometimes there is a good contract dropped into local.
Hahahaha best joke of the day, thank you for making me laugh G££ <= Me |
Mc Scam
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2013.02.17 13:28:00 -
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I would appreciate if someone could come up with a way of getting rid of my nonhuman competition permanently. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
575
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Posted - 2013.02.17 13:36:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:So why do they exist and are not being investigated for botting? Because people are not reporting them? Because there is a backlog of reports to process? Because CCP doesn't want to ban EULA abiding customers by mistake? Because thorough investigations take time? Because there is insufficient evidence against some of them? Because that bot annoying you isn't as high a priority as other more damaging bots? Because CCP is trying to get to the root of the problem, rather than just hacking at the leaves? Did you really expect an answer from CCP?
Simple, remove Jita/Rens/Amar/Dodixie local chat, problem solved.
CCP give me an option so I can definitively ban some system local chat !! NAO !! DO IT !! *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
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