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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.03.14 15:15:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:As long as people prefer stabbed farmer alts grinding lp better choice than pvp char fw will never be good. So FW was good back when you had 3 stabbed farmer alts defensive plexing for no LP? (they gained standings quicker and then ran one-time COSMOS missions with them)
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
846
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:15:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote: Thats a very small number of systems flipped by alts. Given that no one seems to care about occupancy now under the current forever grind system its hard to say its preferable. No real goals other than getting a large enough blob to take over a base system.
I'm actually not happy that the pvp is switching to gate camping for farmers.
It was exactly the number we needed to flip. It was one of the actions that assured gallentes single tier 5 cashout..
Are you assuming that caldari would not have flipped these systems when they did their own cashout? You just flipped them early. The hord of farmers making 700million isk an hour in gunless frigates would have come to flip them back regardless.
How this strategy would work now when you can't make a system 500% contested and you don't get lp after a system is contested is very questionable.
Moreover all the other changes including the fact that we used to get about 5-8xs as much isk per hour farming plexes was a big issue. The change requiring rats to be killed also had some effect although I think not nearly as much as the isk. Bottom line is that if we were making 7xs as much isk per hour people would have alts flipping the systems now to farm them.
TLDR: you and several others blaming the cashout structure for problems that the actual structure did not cause.
The real issue was and still remains what can we do to make plexing an actual pvp mechanic. That way by the time people made a sytem vulnerable they actually had enough ships explode to justify the pay. In other words the lp should be more of a reimbursement plan rather than a new way to carebear. And no I don't want the pay to be cut. I want the explosions to increase.
Crosi Wesdo wrote: You dont think we could have swung the whole war zone? Im sceptical too. But there is no denying that as a militia we could probably get half a dozen squads of 4/6 dreadnought alts / people willing to drop their mains into cal mil, each squad capable of swinging a system in one siege cycle.
Its no different to what we did anyway. Its not hard to change into a shell corp thats already in cal mil..
You would swing the whole warzone for caldari? I am not sure why you would do that in the cashout system. But really that is sort of the point. The cashout system had some strategy. We may disagree on whether its a good idea to flip the other sides systems early. (there are other reasons why this may hurt your militia in the long run as well) But at least there is some room for reasonable people to discuss strategy. And there was allot of discussion of strategy! Now? Well no. The forever grind system we now have is pretty dumbed down.
Crosi Wesdo wrote: Finally, no one cares if you are happy with gatecamping or anything else. Just that your reasons for being unhappy are that people are gaming the system. Most people are happy with the current status quo and accept it as a happy medium since the pvp in the game has never been so abundant and paying for it is viable without going out of your way too much. No one has suggested anything close to a fix that removes the negatives while maintaining the positives of the current system. Your solution is pathetic and would not fix the real reason you are unhappy with your eve experience - the obvious fact that you are pretty lazy.
I think there are other people who wish the pvp was more abundant and wish the pvp had more of a context. The people in faction war might be mostly content with it. Just like most catholic priests don't think the celebacy requirement is too stringent.
You and XG have stated your objections to what I propose and have been shot down repeatedly. You then drop the topic and just start repeating that my solution is "bad" or "pathetic". This is your and XG's MO. You just keep repeating the conclusory statement that letting people know where plexes are being captured won't help people contest them in pvp. Your view is completely irrational, but whatever.
Oh and I love the fact that you say I am lazy because I am not willing to spend even more time playing a computer game. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
151
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:27:00 -
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Cearain wrote: Oh and I love the fact that you say I am lazy because I am not willing to spend even more time playing a computer game.
So ccp should just hand you kills on a plate and tell you were the plexers are when u can be arsed to play? GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
524
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:28:00 -
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Caldari were going to flip the vulnerable gallente systems in the last week leading up to the scheduled expansion. We were just going to swing them a week or so earlier so we could get the now caldari system back to vulnerable and swing them back to gallente just before the expansion.
It is really clear that you are acutely ignorant of the meta game in fw. Explaining these things to you is pretty much like talking to a high sec carebear. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1139
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:29:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Oh and I love the fact that you say I am lazy because I am not willing to spend even more time playing a computer game. I agree you're not lazy. You spend a significant amount of time posting on forums about a game you rarely play.
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
846
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:38:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Cearain wrote:One of the great things about the faction war plex system is that it could force both sides to leave the blob and spread out The current system is not really doing that. Would you agree?
I don't agree, but close. The previous system didn't force both sides to leave the blob, just like the current system doesn't. However, the current system punishes those that branch out on their own because they can't maintain around the clock control of their system so they can dock.
I am not really comparing faction war with what it was. I am comparing it to what it could be.
Right now due to station lockouts and the lp structure we have a system where no one really cares about occupancy in the other 90% of the systems. The only thing that matters is whether you have a blob big enough to hold your base system. This might be fine for allot of people. There is no arguing for taste, but I would say that eve already offers mechanics, in null, sec for those who like that type of thing.
I would prefer that they create an occupancy war where people do care about the other 90% of the systems so they spread out and fight for them. That is why I would prefer an end to the station lockouts and a return of a cashout system.
Obviously, ccp also needs to do some things to make plexing a pvp activity as well. Well I think its obvious others may be fine with it.
But whatever. Thanks for the info on the systems. I did have more good fights last night. I had three unexpected losses. But I had lots of action, which is what matters. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
846
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:40:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:Oh and I love the fact that you say I am lazy because I am not willing to spend even more time playing a computer game. I agree you're not lazy. You spend a significant amount of time posting on forums about a game you rarely play.
Could you please tell my wife I rarely play eve? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
388
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:43:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:As long as people prefer stabbed farmer alts grinding lp better choice than pvp char fw will never be good. So FW was good back when you had 3 stabbed farmer alts defensive plexing for no LP? (they gained standings quicker and then ran one-time COSMOS missions with them)
My alts never have stabs. Any way those alts did something no one else wanted to do, plex. Now CCP give rewards for plexing but it did not help much, same alts do same as before.
No matter how players try to invent improvements it will just go worse. CCP should take ball on their own hand and try to make something better than alt farm.
Sad thing is that CCP interest and player interest are not same, CCP want to sell more accounts but player want better game with less alts and more mains. One good fight is better than killing 100 farmers. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1139
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:43:00 -
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Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:Oh and I love the fact that you say I am lazy because I am not willing to spend even more time playing a computer game. I agree you're not lazy. You spend a significant amount of time posting on forums about a game you rarely play. Could you please tell my wife I rarely play eve?
I think I know your issue. You want Eve Online and FW to be a solo game where you never need to interact with anybody. Log in. Look at Nofication. Find targets. Kill them.
What your "notification system" would achieve is the same thing that intel channels achieve for the rest of us. What we know, from being in intel channels for years, is that people aren't all that interested in chasing rabbits in far off systems even if they know the rabbits are there. (I've done it, I do it, it's not a thing anybody can do for any length of time.) People don't even like chasing rabbits in systems 1-2 jumps away unless there is a real threat to their docking rights. So that's where we're coming from on the Notification System issue.
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
846
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:55:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Caldari were going to flip the vulnerable gallente systems in the last week leading up to the scheduled expansion. We were just going to swing them a week or so earlier so we could get the now caldari system back to vulnerable and swing them back to gallente just before the expansion.
The systems we actually did flip much earlier were swing because they were just sat there counting towards our system total. As we make a push to tier 5 the caldari could have just come and bashed the bunker. So before out tier 5 push, we simply swung them to caldari, farmed them back to vuln and swung them along with all the other systems as part of out push. This took the uncertainty out of our hands, and the ability for caldari to swing these now newly gallente systems to counter our cashout.
It is really clear that you are acutely ignorant of the meta game in fw. Explaining these things to you is pretty much like talking to a high sec carebear.
I know you are going to igore everything ive said here and just keep saying the same things over and over. Oh well.
What you tell me is nothing new it was discussed on the forums and blogs adnauseum.
The main problem was the ability to bring a system from uncontested to vulnerable fast with pve. If you had to actually pvp in order to get those systems vulnerable this issue would go away. You would be much more hesitant to flip the system if you didn't know you could farm it back so fast. Plus you are only talking about very few flips given the huge number of systems flipping at the time.
And you dropped all the points I made in my earlier post. The game has changed in so many ways your discussion of the meta game back then is hardly even relevant. But yes now with the forever grind, fw players don't even care enough about occupancy to even want to flip 90% of the systems one way or another.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
846
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Posted - 2013.03.14 16:58:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:Oh and I love the fact that you say I am lazy because I am not willing to spend even more time playing a computer game. I agree you're not lazy. You spend a significant amount of time posting on forums about a game you rarely play. Could you please tell my wife I rarely play eve? I think I know your issue. You want Eve Online and FW to be a solo game where you never need to interact with anybody. Log in. Look at Nofication. Find targets. Kill them. What your "notification system" would achieve is the same thing that intel channels achieve for the rest of us. What we know, from being in intel channels for years, is that people aren't all that interested in chasing rabbits in far off systems even if they know the rabbits are there. (I've done it, I do it, it's not a thing anybody can do for any length of time.) People don't even like chasing rabbits in systems 1-2 jumps away unless there is a real threat to their docking rights. So that's where we're coming from on the Notification System issue. Edit: And yes I was thinking about your statement w.r.t plexes within 5 jumps. With the current intel channels we have, I can know where WTs are within 2-3 jumps of our home system, and even more systems further away where our guys live. Same deal though. People will travel for pvp, they won't travel for pushing out rabbits. Also, the targets that are more interested in pvp tend to arrive at our doorstep in systems we deem worthy to pvp in (the ones we need to defend). Only the rabbits plex in unpopulated systems away from the front lines.
No wrong again. I was in militia with the intel channels - no one does that.
When you proposed that people do that the response from people even in your militia - Princess Nexxala - was along the lines of "too much work for a game" not "we already do that."
Nice try to misrepresent this though. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1140
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:09:00 -
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Cearain wrote:No wrong again. I was in militia with the intel channels - no one does that.
When you proposed that people do that the response from people even in your militia - Princess Nexxala - was along the lines of "too much work for a game" not "we already do that."
Nice try to misrepresent this though. I report wt intel in the channels all the time - probably to the annoyance of everybody since nobody wants to bother chasing the rabbits around. And all you have to do is ask and people will tell you where the rabbits are and people will respond. For your intel channels - don't you think more people would report rabbits if asked, or if other people actually wanted to chase them? |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
388
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:15:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:No wrong again. I was in militia with the intel channels - no one does that.
When you proposed that people do that the response from people even in your militia - Princess Nexxala - was along the lines of "too much work for a game" not "we already do that."
Nice try to misrepresent this though. I report wt intel in the channels all the time - probably to the annoyance of everybody since nobody wants to bother chasing the rabbits around. And all you have to do is ask and people will tell you where the rabbits are and people will respond. For your intel channels - don't you think more people would report rabbits if asked, or if other people actually wanted to chase them?
I like about your reporting, my alts are saved many times because of those. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1140
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Posted - 2013.03.14 17:16:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote: I like about your reporting, my alts are saved many times because of those.
Proof that I'm not BS'ing about our intel channels. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
525
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Posted - 2013.03.14 18:00:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Caldari were going to flip the vulnerable gallente systems in the last week leading up to the scheduled expansion. We were just going to swing them a week or so earlier so we could get the now caldari system back to vulnerable and swing them back to gallente just before the expansion.
The systems we actually did flip much earlier were swing because they were just sat there counting towards our system total. As we make a push to tier 5 the caldari could have just come and bashed the bunker. So before out tier 5 push, we simply swung them to caldari, farmed them back to vuln and swung them along with all the other systems as part of out push. This took the uncertainty out of our hands, and the ability for caldari to swing these now newly gallente systems to counter our cashout.
It is really clear that you are acutely ignorant of the meta game in fw. Explaining these things to you is pretty much like talking to a high sec carebear.
I know you are going to igore everything ive said here and just keep saying the same things over and over. Oh well. What you tell me is nothing new it was discussed on the forums and blogs adnauseum. The main problem was the ability to bring a system from uncontested to vulnerable fast with pve. If you had to actually pvp in order to get those systems vulnerable this issue would go away. You would be much more hesitant to flip the system if you didn't know you could farm it back so fast. Plus you are only talking about very few flips given the huge number of systems flipping at the time. And you dropped all the points I made in my earlier post. The game has changed in so many ways your discussion of the meta game back then is hardly even relevant. But yes now with the forever grind, fw players don't even care enough about occupancy to even want to flip 90% of the systems one way or another.
Wow, a good old bait and switch. Ask a specific question, then say the answer is irrelevant and not even what you were talking about. Your contribution to the forum is legendary.
And for the record, i dont care that people dont care about specific systems that no one lives in. I dont see that as broken at all. I reject your presupposition that every system in the war zone should be as important as any other. Your lack of suggestions to create that care speaks loudly. Even if a magical solution to remove all farmers was patched in tomorrow, it still wouldnt make me any more aware of where mantenault is or how to get there,
Anyway, im sure you have something to impotently complain about, so do go on. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
846
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Posted - 2013.03.14 21:11:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:No wrong again. I was in militia with the intel channels - no one does that.
When you proposed that people do that the response from people even in your militia - Princess Nexxala - was along the lines of "too much work for a game" not "we already do that."
Nice try to misrepresent this though. I report wt intel in the channels all the time - probably to the annoyance of everybody since nobody wants to bother chasing the rabbits around. And all you have to do is ask and people will tell you where the rabbits are. For your intel channels - don't you think more people would report rabbits if asked, or if other people actually wanted to chase them?
There would be no more chasing if we knew where the complexes were being captured. If they run then you can stay and cap the plex. If they go several jumps you don't need to care because someone close by can fight for that plex.
You seem to think your haphazard statements in an intel channel are the same as a comprehensive notification system. It's not. People can and do capture plexes when 99% of the opposing militia doesn't even know they are capturing it. Of course it will be a pve system. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
86
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Posted - 2013.03.14 21:21:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Caldari were going to flip the vulnerable gallente systems in the last week leading up to the scheduled expansion. We were just going to swing them a week or so earlier so we could get the now caldari system back to vulnerable and swing them back to gallente just before the expansion.
The systems we actually did flip much earlier were swing because they were just sat there counting towards our system total. As we make a push to tier 5 the caldari could have just come and bashed the bunker. So before out tier 5 push, we simply swung them to caldari, farmed them back to vuln and swung them along with all the other systems as part of out push. This took the uncertainty out of our hands, and the ability for caldari to swing these now newly gallente systems to counter our cashout.
It is really clear that you are acutely ignorant of the meta game in fw. Explaining these things to you is pretty much like talking to a high sec carebear.
I know you are going to igore everything ive said here and just keep saying the same things over and over. Oh well. What you tell me is nothing new it was discussed on the forums and blogs adnauseum. The main problem was the ability to bring a system from uncontested to vulnerable fast with pve. If you had to actually pvp in order to get those systems vulnerable this issue would go away. You would be much more hesitant to flip the system if you didn't know you could farm it back so fast. Plus you are only talking about very few flips given the huge number of systems flipping at the time. And you dropped all the points I made in my earlier post. The game has changed in so many ways your discussion of the meta game back then is hardly even relevant. But yes now with the forever grind, fw players don't even care enough about occupancy to even want to flip 90% of the systems one way or another.
Again, please answer the question of how you make this PVP based? Right now,it is PVP based but the problem is nobody is showing up to fight from the other side. How do you fix this? Notifications? Notifications won't change anything, as the stabbed-"PVPer" will still run away, so people will just ignore the notifications. Therefore the stabbed-"PVPer" still wins at PVP because nobody showed up to fight him. What you need is timer rollback or something to make the stabbed-"PVPer" lose something when he runs away to farm another plex until you get bored of chasing him and he can return to take the original plex with no time lost.
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
846
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Posted - 2013.03.14 21:43:00 -
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Andre Vauban wrote:Cearain wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Caldari were going to flip the vulnerable gallente systems in the last week leading up to the scheduled expansion. We were just going to swing them a week or so earlier so we could get the now caldari system back to vulnerable and swing them back to gallente just before the expansion.
The systems we actually did flip much earlier were swing because they were just sat there counting towards our system total. As we make a push to tier 5 the caldari could have just come and bashed the bunker. So before out tier 5 push, we simply swung them to caldari, farmed them back to vuln and swung them along with all the other systems as part of out push. This took the uncertainty out of our hands, and the ability for caldari to swing these now newly gallente systems to counter our cashout.
It is really clear that you are acutely ignorant of the meta game in fw. Explaining these things to you is pretty much like talking to a high sec carebear.
I know you are going to igore everything ive said here and just keep saying the same things over and over. Oh well. What you tell me is nothing new it was discussed on the forums and blogs adnauseum. The main problem was the ability to bring a system from uncontested to vulnerable fast with pve. If you had to actually pvp in order to get those systems vulnerable this issue would go away. You would be much more hesitant to flip the system if you didn't know you could farm it back so fast. Plus you are only talking about very few flips given the huge number of systems flipping at the time. And you dropped all the points I made in my earlier post. The game has changed in so many ways your discussion of the meta game back then is hardly even relevant. But yes now with the forever grind, fw players don't even care enough about occupancy to even want to flip 90% of the systems one way or another. Again, please answer the question of how you make this PVP based? Right now,it is PVP based but the problem is nobody is showing up to fight from the other side. How do you fix this? Notifications? Notifications won't change anything, as the stabbed-"PVPer" will still run away, so people will just ignore the notifications. Therefore the stabbed-"PVPer" still wins at PVP because nobody showed up to fight him.
The answer again - just as it was before inferno - is to have notifications and some form of timer rollback.
I disagreewith you on your assessment of notifications. The stabbed pilot will generally be 2 or less jumps from somebody roaming so he will constantly get chased out. Since he will constantly get chased out he will no longer make any lp. Since he will no longer make lp he will no longer stay in farm plexes. With a notification system and some form of timer rollback fw would just need about 4 -7 active pilots who want to pvp and all plex farming would end. Then the pvpers will start to join fw and we will see massive plex fighting throughout the warzone, not just a blob in 2 or 3 systems.
Andre Vauban wrote: What you need is timer rollback or something to make the stabbed-"PVPer" lose something when he runs away to farm another plex until you get bored of chasing him and he can return to take the original plex with no time lost.
I agree with this. Whether this alone will be enough, I doubt it, but I admit I don't know.
It seems ccp has dropped this idea as I haven't heard about it since it noted it didn't make it in retribution. Hence I am continuing to post facts about the occupancy war so that ccp and players will not just drop the idea.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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IbanezLaney
the church of awesome Caldari State Capturing
264
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Posted - 2013.03.14 22:02:00 -
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I seems a lot of people are not around pew pewing atm because they are too busy dplexing.
Dplexing is where I think the pve gets to be a bit too much. (LP is not my concern - I don't care if defensive plexs pay nothing)
I and a few corpies have been on for an hour or two most nights this week (au tz) and there are no fw people looking for fights. Everyone is stuck in a dplexing grind to keep their homes safe. (Including us) Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
846
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Posted - 2013.03.14 22:29:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:I seems a lot of people are not around pew pewing atm because they are too busy dplexing.
Dplexing is where I think the pve gets to be a bit too much. (LP is not my concern - I don't care if defensive plexs pay nothing)
I and a few corpies have been on for an hour or two most nights this week (au tz) and there are no fw people looking for fights. Everyone is stuck in a dplexing grind to keep their homes safe. (Including us)
Allot of the pvpers in amarr base out of egghelende which is a low sec system that is near the center of the war zone but not actually a faction war system. That way they can spend their game time pvping instead of deplexing.
I just left the militia all together and love the ability to dock/reship anywhere plus you are not blue to about 2/5ths of the people you see in plexes. 99% of my pvp is still in and around plexes. Your scanner will still show them even though you are not in fw.
If you are not in fw for the lp there is no reason to be in fw now. The removal of the 15 minute gcc means the "free wardec" has almost no significance.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1142
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Posted - 2013.03.14 23:30:00 -
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Cearain wrote: If they run then you can stay and cap the plex. We already have several opportunities to run down plexes in backwater systems every single day without your notification system. ( I thought you wanted to make it a pvp mechanic, not a chase-then pve mechanic) |
IbanezLaney
the church of awesome Caldari State Capturing
267
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Posted - 2013.03.15 02:31:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
Allot of the pvpers in amarr base out of egghelende which is a low sec system that is near the center of the war zone but not actually a faction war system. That way they can spend their game time pvping instead of deplexing.
I just left the militia all together and love the ability to dock/reship anywhere plus you are not blue to about 2/5ths of the people you see in plexes. 99% of my pvp is still in and around plexes. Your scanner will still show them even though you are not in fw.
If you are not in fw for the lp there is no reason to be in fw now. The removal of the 15 minute gcc means the "free wardec" has almost no significance.
Being in FW adds content to the game for me.
I have a reason to shoot people in FW - even if it is RP based, it's content that gives me a defined goals and targets.
As a pirate I would have to consider people I know/like in Caldari as targets - I personally do not wish to shoot at the people I have known/flown with all this time.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
530
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Posted - 2013.03.15 02:48:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote: If they run then you can stay and cap the plex. We already have several opportunities to run down plexes in backwater systems every single day without your notification system. ( I thought you wanted to make it a pvp mechanic, not a chase-then pve mechanic)
Lets face it, the guys a ******* ******. Im just saying what everyones thinking. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
153
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Posted - 2013.03.16 11:16:00 -
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Cearain wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:I seems a lot of people are not around pew pewing atm because they are too busy dplexing.
Dplexing is where I think the pve gets to be a bit too much. (LP is not my concern - I don't care if defensive plexs pay nothing)
I and a few corpies have been on for an hour or two most nights this week (au tz) and there are no fw people looking for fights. Everyone is stuck in a dplexing grind to keep their homes safe. (Including us) Allot of the pvpers in amarr base out of egghelende which is a low sec system that is near the center of the war zone but not actually a faction war system. That way they can spend their game time pvping instead of deplexing. I just left the militia all together and love the ability to dock/reship anywhere plus you are not blue to about 2/5ths of the people you see in plexes. 99% of my pvp is still in and around plexes. Your scanner will still show them even though you are not in fw. If you are not in fw for the lp there is no reason to be in fw now. The removal of the 15 minute gcc means the "free wardec" has almost no significance.
so we should just all quit fw and play ur way cos ccp wont make fw how you alone want it GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Cearain
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IbanezLaney wrote:Cearain wrote:
Allot of the pvpers in amarr base out of egghelende which is a low sec system that is near the center of the war zone but not actually a faction war system. That way they can spend their game time pvping instead of deplexing.
I just left the militia all together and love the ability to dock/reship anywhere plus you are not blue to about 2/5ths of the people you see in plexes. 99% of my pvp is still in and around plexes. Your scanner will still show them even though you are not in fw.
If you are not in fw for the lp there is no reason to be in fw now. The removal of the 15 minute gcc means the "free wardec" has almost no significance.
Being in FW adds content to the game for me. I have a reason to shoot people in FW - even if it is RP based, it's content that gives me a defined goals and targets. As a pirate I would have to consider people I know/like in Caldari as targets - I personally do not wish to shoot at the people I have known/flown with all this time.
I think the reason to shoot people is important. But fw really doesn't add much in that regard - its pretty much rvb. IMO the occupancy mechanic is a joke.
As far as shooting people you have flown with, I agree thats a drawback in some cases. I really don't know who most of the thousands of people in the amarr and caldari faction war are. Moreover, there were always a few people I wished I could shoot in the amarr militia and now I can. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:53:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Cearain wrote: I would put the average at about 1 kill per hour per system.
This is an issue with your analysis - right now, there's not enough people in FW to really populate all the systems. So activity is centered around a few systems, and no-one but farmers really care about the other systems. ....
It's hard to say the problem is with the number of players. The miliitas have about 19,000 pilots to cover 170 systems.
The problem is there are not enough active pvpers. I predict that if the fw occupancy mechanic was more of a pvp mechanic more pvpers would participate and the 170 systems would easilly be covered. Just like now its a pve mechanic so we get allot of pvers.
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ALUCARD 1208
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11 pages in and still same bull just a different spin on it GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Takseen
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Cearain. It looks like you basically want a channel with even more free intel. Isn't local, dotlan, the contested status of every system, beacons visible on the overview, and the Dscanner not enough? |
Cearain
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Takseen wrote:Cearain. It looks like you basically want a channel with even more free intel. Isn't local, dotlan, the contested status of every system, beacons visible on the overview, and the Dscanner not enough?
Should soldiers in the army pay the government to let them know where they need to go fight?
Should the militia charge its members to let them know where their military complexes are being attacked?
Your complaint against "free intel" is pretty silly. But Ill play along, how much should we pay for it? How about 1 million isk a week so that my miliita will notify me where its military complexes are being attacked?
But I will answer your question: Its obviously not enough since the mechanic is clearly a pve mechanic. The first step to making it pvp, as XG says, is to have someone show up to contest the plex. Well the first step in doing that is letting people know where they need to go to contest the plex. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:40:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:11 pages in and still same bull just a different spin on it
4 years and the same problem with occupancy so of course the solution is the same. CCP never did anything to address the real problem with occupancy. They just threw isk at it. People didn't care about it before inferno and people don't care now. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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