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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.03.18 19:45:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
But I will answer your question: Its obviously not enough since the mechanic is clearly a pve mechanic. The first step to making it pvp, as XG says, is to have someone show up to contest the plex. Well the first step in doing that is letting people know where they need to go to contest the plex.
Having your militia providing intel is a pve mechanic. Having NPCs do this for you is a pvp mechanic. Ok.
I wouldn't mind a notification to say that plexes are being run in a system. But having a perfect rundown of your enemies fleet composition every time they pass a plex gate seems a bit much. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
537
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Posted - 2013.03.18 20:22:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Takseen wrote:Cearain. It looks like you basically want a channel with even more free intel. Isn't local, dotlan, the contested status of every system, beacons visible on the overview, and the Dscanner not enough? Should soldiers in the army pay the government to let them know where they need to go fight? Should the militia charge its members to let them know where their military complexes are being attacked? Your complaint against "free intel" is pretty silly. But Ill play along, how much should we pay for it? How about 1 million isk a week so that my miliita will notify me where its military complexes are being attacked? But I will answer your question: Its obviously not enough since the mechanic is clearly a pve mechanic. The first step to making it pvp, as XG says, is to have someone show up to contest the plex. Well the first step in doing that is letting people know where they need to go to contest the plex.
Ok so, i think this would be a good time to remind you that this is a computer game. Part of the fun is the hunt. PvP's a journey, not a destination.
Speaking of which, i started hunting you when your other toon passed through nis the yesterday. I was elbow deep in pvp and potential pvp all night in that area. You just passed through without pausing for long enough to do a quick d-scan survey.
You are truly terrible at finding pvp in eve. If i were YOU, i would want a notification of everyones whereabouts too.
As far as plexing goes, i can honestly say that 90% of the plexes i have entered in the last few days have lead to pvp. People farming vacant plexes? who cares, only you. But i doubt you could articulate why other than you like to cry about stuff, constantly. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society the devil's tattoo
854
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Posted - 2013.03.19 19:22:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Cearain wrote:
But I will answer your question: Its obviously not enough since the mechanic is clearly a pve mechanic. The first step to making it pvp, as XG says, is to have someone show up to contest the plex. Well the first step in doing that is letting people know where they need to go to contest the plex.
Having your militia providing intel is a pve mechanic. Having NPCs do this for you is a pvp mechanic. Ok. I wouldn't mind a notification to say that plexes are being run in a system. But having a perfect rundown of your enemies fleet composition every time they pass a plex gate seems a bit much.
Finding another player to fight is the first and longest step to pvp. So although yes it would be the npc militia letting you know where the complexes are being attacked it would in fact lead to pvp.
As for not giving exact details on ship types - I would prefer it, but even just letting us know where our military complexes are being attacked would be a start. Currently "hide and plex" is how to plex most efficiently and it is not very fun or warlike. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1153
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Posted - 2013.03.19 19:27:00 -
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It's a good time to remind everybody that Cearain's proposals do not accomplish his stated goal. His proposals are "chase rabbit-then pve" - which, of course, we can do already. |
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
42
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Posted - 2013.03.19 19:33:00 -
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Jeez man, your notification system sucks big time, everyone who IS actually in faction warfare can tell you that. Not only would people get spammed all the time with "notificacions" ([[Local Defense: Vlillrier is under attack!]) but it does nothing that people in intel channels don-¦t already do.
That-¦s what intel channels are for. If you want a group that will keep posting intel, help them do it, show them how. Our intel channels are pretty busy and people report wts in plexes all over the place. The decision to go and fight them is a pvp decision made by players, according to what they are doing, what they are flying, if they care for the system being reported or not etc.
If you want more people fighting over more backwater systems, then we the players are the ones with the obligation to recruit more players and more corporations for FW and convince them to go live near those systems. Gallente has people living in vlill, Eha, Essesier, Nisuya, Heyd (I hope after we re-took it last night), Eugales and so on. Those corps and pilots actively defend their systems, and those around them.
If your problem is the farmers, well, everything in Eve has those. Everything. Farmers will farm stop worrying about them. As it is right now it-¦s working MUCH better than it was before.
CCP created a system that encourages communication and collaboration between players and corporations. I don-¦t want the npcs to do our job for us. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society the devil's tattoo
854
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Posted - 2013.03.19 19:40:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote: Ok so, i think this would be a good time to remind you that this is a computer game. Part of the fun is the hunt. PvP's a journey, not a destination..
You may like "hunting" I think its boring. I like fighting.
Eve has plenty of mechanics for those who like to roam around "hunting." But very few where you get allot of fighting.
Crosi Wesdo wrote: Speaking of which, i started hunting you when your other toon passed through nis the yesterday. I was elbow deep in pvp and potential pvp all night in that area. You just passed through without pausing for long enough to do a quick d-scan survey..
If that is the case I was probably in low structure and just looking to get repairs. Or all the plexes were within 14 au and I could tell they were all empty or of ship types and numbers I couldn't match. Here is a tip, you can scan while you are still under your gate cloak.
I have found that I can sit in the main gallente hubs and if anything comes it will be at least 3 destroyers and a griffin to fight a t1 frigate.
Crosi Wesdo wrote: You are truly terrible at finding pvp in eve. If i were YOU, i would want a notification of everyones whereabouts too..
You of course don't know what you are talking about. You see my ship one time leave a system and presume to know how good I am at finding pvp.
Crosi Wesdo wrote: As far as plexing goes, i can honestly say that 90% of the plexes i have entered in the last few days have lead to pvp..
Thats probably because you wait until your buddy gets a point on something before you come in to blob it.
I do see you crowing in local about your gatecamping skills or how you are so good with your boosters. None of which are of interest to me.
Crosi Wesdo wrote: People farming vacant plexes? who cares, only you. But i doubt you could articulate why other than you like to cry about stuff, constantly.
I have articulated why I think it would be great if the fighting in plexes was going on throughout fw.
You have said numerous times that you do not care about occupancy in 90% of systems. Under the current system I agree. Actually under the current system I don't care about it in 100% of the systems. Thats why I left fw and just go in plexes for the pvp.
You can keep gate camping blobbing and bragging in local, it seems to be your calling in this game.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society the devil's tattoo
854
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Posted - 2013.03.19 19:53:00 -
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Juan Rayo wrote:Jeez man, your notification system sucks big time, everyone who IS actually in faction warfare can tell you that. Its not my idea. It was proposed years ago. And has been supported by many people in faction war until fw started drawing farmers like crazy.
So yeah now lots of people in fw are against their farming income being nerfed - no surprise.
Juan Rayo wrote: Not only would people get spammed all the time with "notificacions" ([[Local Defense: Vlillrier is under attack!]) but it does nothing that people in intel channels don-¦t already do..
You should be able to filter the notifications. And the player intel channels are weak. When XG suggested people start notifying the militia when they see plexers the response was that it is too much work for a computer game. The reponse is correct.
Juan Rayo wrote: That-¦s what intel channels are for. If you want a group that will keep posting intel, help them do it, show them how. Our intel channels are pretty busy and people report wts in plexes all over the place. The decision to go and fight them is a pvp decision made by players, according to what they are doing, what they are flying, if they care for the system being reported or not etc..
Any player made ad hoc system will never have the efficiency or effectiveness of a set notification system. The farmers are not detered from the occassional report of a plexer.
Juan Rayo wrote: If you want more people fighting over more backwater systems, then we the players are the ones with the obligation to recruit more players and more corporations for FW and convince them to go live near those systems. Gallente has people living in vlill, Eha, Essesier, Nisuya, Heyd (I hope after we re-took it last night), Eugales and so on. Those corps and pilots actively defend their systems, and those around them...
There are currently about 19000 players in faction war and the number of systems being fought over is only 170. I don't think we need more players. The pvpers need better tools.
Juan Rayo wrote: If your problem is the farmers, well, everything in Eve has those. Everything. Farmers will farm stop worrying about them. As it is right now it-¦s working MUCH better than it was before..
Yes its better than before. But its still broken.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society the devil's tattoo
854
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Posted - 2013.03.19 19:56:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:It's a good time to remind everybody that Cearain's proposals do not accomplish his stated goal. His proposals are "chase rabbit-then pve" - which, of course, we can do already.
XG you continue to try to argue against letting players know where plexes are being taken so that they can fight for them. Just how much do your alts make?
No chasing necessary if you have a notification system. And there would be far less pve in plexes, and far more pvp.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
155
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Posted - 2013.03.19 20:01:00 -
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sooooo heres how it goes .... gets notifaction of plex being run in a backwater it still doesnt go and get defended cos its a bacwater and noone gives a fk............. ya makes it a total pvp mechanic huh GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
42
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Posted - 2013.03.19 20:02:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
There are currently about 19000 players in faction war and the number of systems being fought over is only 170. I don't think we need more players. The pvpers need better tools.
And how them are active, an how many of those live in lowsec? I know for a fact good, regular size gallente corp live in either highsec or non fw lowsec. A huge Amarr fw alliance lives in non fw system. How many caldari live in Icho or around in their highsec?
This is not CCP-¦s faul, it-¦s player decisions. If those people decided to live in lowsec and fight for their systems, even more of them would be fought for.
You are taking a very particular fw experience (yours) and trying to force it down everybody else-¦s throats, even while many of us IN faction warfare keep telling you there is a lot of pvp happening, and we have the killboards to prove it. You maybe saw Crossi gatecamping once, and decided that-¦s all he does even while his KB will show you the huge ammount of solo or small gang fights the man gets involved with. His secret? He goes out and LOOKS for fights, no notification needed.
As for intel channels being too much work? again,. that-¦s a player problem not a CCP problem. If some guy decides it-¦s too much work to report intel, that-¦s his problem. There are enough of us in galmil with both regional and "whole area" channels that do report them and get into fights. |
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
155
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Posted - 2013.03.19 20:08:00 -
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tbh noone apart from cearein said reporting was too much work. I just think thats a code for noone liked him and he never got into intel channels...... thats what this whole debates probably about his own shortcomings in fw and his inability to find targets in a target rich environment hence his need for a "map" to show him were to go...... << also in b4 the thats what she said jokes ;) GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society the devil's tattoo
854
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Posted - 2013.03.19 20:17:00 -
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Juan Rayo wrote:Cearain wrote:
There are currently about 19000 players in faction war and the number of systems being fought over is only 170. I don't think we need more players. The pvpers need better tools.
And how them are active, an how many of those live in lowsec? I know for a fact good, regular size gallente corp live in either highsec or non fw lowsec. A huge Amarr fw alliance lives in non fw system. How many caldari live in Icho or around in their highsec?.
They all have active accounts. I don't know the answers to the other questions. Lots of them are no doubt alts farming plexes contributing little or nothing to pvp yet having a huge impact on occupancy.
Juan Rayo wrote: This is not CCP-¦s faul, it-¦s player decisions. If those people decided to live in lowsec and fight for their systems, even more of them would be fought for.
Well ccp was told that just throwing isk at faction war plexing, without making them more of a pvp mechanic, would lead to this. Yet they decided to just throw isk at plexing and this is what we got.
Juan Rayo wrote: You are taking a very particular fw experience (yours) and trying to force it down everybody else-¦s throats, even while many of us IN faction warfare keep telling you there is a lot of pvp happening, and we have the killboards to prove it. You maybe saw Crossi gatecamping once, and decided that-¦s all he does even while his KB will show you the huge ammount of solo or small gang fights the man gets involved with. His secret? He goes out and LOOKS for fights, no notification needed.
I don't doubt that their is more pvp in low sec and in faction war in particular. But the pvp in faction war has very little to do with occupancy. The 90% of the top vp gainers are not pvping at all.
Juan Rayo wrote: As for intel channels being too much work? again,. that-¦s a player problem not a CCP problem. If some guy decides it-¦s too much work to report intel, that-¦s his problem. There are enough of us in galmil with both regional and "whole area" channels that do report them and get into fights.
Again getting in fights does not = winning the occupancy war. When gallente did their push to gain occupancy their pvp per pilot was much lower than it was after that occupancy push ended. I am not saying people in the miltiias never pvp. My point is that the occupancy war should not be the carebear race it currently is.
You say its not ccps fault that the occupancy war is a carebear race. I disagree. It is a natural result of the mechanics they put in place and yes it is working as predicted.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society the devil's tattoo
854
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Posted - 2013.03.19 20:20:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:tbh noone apart from cearein said reporting was too much work. I just think thats a code for noone liked him and he never got into intel channels...... thats what this whole debates probably about his own shortcomings in fw and his inability to find targets in a target rich environment hence his need for a "map" to show him were to go...... << also in b4 the thats what she said jokes ;)
Princess Nexxala made the comment that it was too much work. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society the devil's tattoo
854
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Posted - 2013.03.19 20:39:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:sooooo heres how it goes .... gets notifaction of plex being run in a backwater it still doesnt go and get defended cos its a bacwater and noone gives a fk............. ya makes it a total pvp mechanic huh
Nope people flying around would set the destination and be there ready to fight in minutes. If you kept warping off then this combined with a timer rollback would mean no more lp for farmers. Hence everyone in a plex would be ready to fight for it. The number of fights per plex would skyrocket and the fw occupancy war would stop being a carebear joke. Winning all the systems would actually be something to be proud of. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
155
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Posted - 2013.03.19 21:02:00 -
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why would a notification suddenly make a system noone gives a fk about suddenly become disrable???? get real....
rollback as said before yes this would be great
im proud of taking all the systems now sooooooo mute point mate GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society the devil's tattoo
854
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Posted - 2013.03.19 21:10:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:why would a notification suddenly make a system noone gives a fk about suddenly become disrable???? get real....
Becasue the occupancy game would no longer be joke of a carebear race.
ALUCARD 1208 wrote: im proud of taking all the systems now sooooooo mute point mate
Thats pathetic.
But then again I thought you said no one cared about some of the systems? Your faction had to win them all, to get that carebear medal. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
537
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Posted - 2013.03.19 21:18:00 -
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Cearain wrote:ALUCARD 1208 wrote:why would a notification suddenly make a system noone gives a fk about suddenly become disrable???? get real.... Becasue the occupancy game would no longer be joke of a carebear race. ALUCARD 1208 wrote: im proud of taking all the systems now sooooooo mute point mate
Thats pathetic. But then again I thought you said no one cared about some of the systems? Your faction had to win them all, to get that carebear medal.
You have the messed up priorities of a roleplayer. Low sec occupancy IS SUPPOSED to be a joke. Its there to generate PvP. Which it does for all those that know how to find it. Your problems in low sec and inability to find pvp start closer to home.
For example, right now im running the minor facility in tama, got 2 fights in first 5 minutes.
EDIT, hit post, and in the last seconds of the plex a slicer came in, so another kill :) |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society the devil's tattoo
854
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Posted - 2013.03.19 21:26:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Cearain wrote:ALUCARD 1208 wrote:why would a notification suddenly make a system noone gives a fk about suddenly become disrable???? get real.... Becasue the occupancy game would no longer be joke of a carebear race. ALUCARD 1208 wrote: im proud of taking all the systems now sooooooo mute point mate
Thats pathetic. But then again I thought you said no one cared about some of the systems? Your faction had to win them all, to get that carebear medal. You have the messed up priorities of a roleplayer. Low sec occupancy IS SUPPOSED to be a joke.
Well then we agree its pathetic for Alucard to be proud of his medal. Because we agree it is currently a joke.
We disagree that it is supposed to be a joke. I think it is supposed to add a context to the fighting so its not all just rvb. I think it should add depth and strategy to faction war fighting.
Crosi Wesdo wrote: Its there to generate pvp. Which it does for all those that know how to find it. Your problems in low sec and inability to find pvp start closer to home.
For example, right now im running the minor facility in tama, got 2 fights in first 5 minutes.
The reason to make fw occupancy better, is not just to make the pvp more frequent, but also to make the occupancy war a good game and worth playing. It is not now a good game. Therefore people don't care about it in 90% of systems.
If it were a good game then people would care about winning the systems, just like they care about winning at any good game. And note this has nothign to do with isk! It has to do with people wanting to win a good game and not caring if they lose a horrible game. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
537
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Posted - 2013.03.19 21:44:00 -
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No, we fundamentally disagree. FW occupancy isnt meant to be serious. Its just there to provide a context and driver for PvP. It does. If you want serious occupancy, dull-sec is available. There are tweaks needed to discourage farmers, but to be totally honest, farmers have their place.
If it wasnt for farmers getting un-cared for systems to vulnerable constantly, there would be no catalyst for BC/BS fleets in FW low sec. The more often systems go vulnerable, and are flpped, the more often there is a significant number of high dps ships in space creating content for everyone.
You are just a blathering roleplayer with no idea whats best for the game. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
155
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Posted - 2013.03.19 22:36:00 -
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Cearain wrote:ALUCARD 1208 wrote:why would a notification suddenly make a system noone gives a fk about suddenly become disrable???? get real.... Becasue the occupancy game would no longer be joke of a carebear race.
still wouldnt make people care about backwaters you didnt answer the question u just skirted round it............ now cmon why would a notification system make a system more desirable GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
155
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Posted - 2013.03.19 22:39:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
Thats pathetic. .
coming from a guy whos bleated on for 12 pages that his idea of fw is the best way and the guys whoi actually do fw are wrong
Im proud of the fact that we made a mission statement and the whole of the militia stood together and delivered after that i couldnt care less about backwaters GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1153
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:17:00 -
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Cearain wrote: No chasing necessary if you have a notification system. And there would be far less pve in plexes, and far more pvp.
Really, how are you going to run the rabbit out of the plex? In any case, for clarification:
"Chase" = You warping into plex to attack rabbit. "PVE" = You sitting on button until plex is complete after the rabbit leaves.
Everybody (but you) knows we have more than enough opportunities to do this already without notification system.
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Madbuster73
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
37
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Posted - 2013.03.20 01:26:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:No, we fundamentally disagree. FW occupancy isnt meant to be serious. Its just there to provide a context and driver for PvP. It does. If you want serious occupancy, dull-sec is available. There are tweaks needed to discourage farmers, but to be totally honest, farmers have their place.
If it wasnt for farmers getting un-cared for systems to vulnerable constantly, there would be no catalyst for BC/BS fleets in FW low sec. The more often systems go vulnerable, and are flpped, the more often there is a significant number of high dps ships in space creating content for everyone.
You are just a blathering roleplayer with no idea whats best for the game.
I have to correct you on that one Crosi, bunkers are being shot now by 40 man destroyer fleets. Every single bunker the Caldari have shot didnt make any good pvp. because they shoot it right before DT or right after when gallente has low activitiy. and then warp out at any sign of danger.
The current system has crippled all Battlecruiser and Battleship figths in Low-Sec.
No one flies battlecruisers anymore because they dont fit in the plexes anymore except for the very rare Large ones. No one flies Battleships anymore because they can flip a bunker with a dessie fleet.
CCP managed to ruin all good large subcapital fleet fights in FW.
Its all about frigs and dessies now. All advanced players that dont like 0.0 are bored to hell trying to chase stabbed and cloaked condors in those plexes. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
537
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Posted - 2013.03.20 01:31:00 -
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Madbuster73 wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:No, we fundamentally disagree. FW occupancy isnt meant to be serious. Its just there to provide a context and driver for PvP. It does. If you want serious occupancy, dull-sec is available. There are tweaks needed to discourage farmers, but to be totally honest, farmers have their place.
If it wasnt for farmers getting un-cared for systems to vulnerable constantly, there would be no catalyst for BC/BS fleets in FW low sec. The more often systems go vulnerable, and are flpped, the more often there is a significant number of high dps ships in space creating content for everyone.
You are just a blathering roleplayer with no idea whats best for the game. I have to correct you on that one Crosi, bunkers are being shot now by 40 man destroyer fleets. Every single bunker the Caldari have shot didnt make any good pvp. because they shoot it right before DT or right after when gallente has low activitiy. and the warp out at any sign of danger. The current system has crippled all Battlecruiser and Battleship figths in Low-Sec. No one flies battlecruisers anymore because they dont fit in the plexes anymore except for the very rare Large ones. No one flies Battleships anymore because they can flip a bunker with a dessie fleet. CCP managed to ruin all good large subcapital fleet fights in FW. Its all about frigs and dessies now. All advanced players that dont like 0.0 are bored to hell trying to chase stabbed and cloaked condors in those plexes.
Yes mad. In theory its a good mechanic. Cant force people to use anything they dont want to. Its another example of the game being ok, but the players being broken.
I personally have enjoyed pottering about in the t1 frig. Glad i finally found one i liked so im not throwing 300m dd's around everywhere. Ive seen a couple of squid BC fleets, problem now is that when they pop up no one is ready or equipped to form against it since its not been needed for a while.
Squids have been roaming BC's without a cause a few times recently, i predict good things ahead. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
422
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Posted - 2013.03.20 05:00:00 -
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Cearain wrote:ALUCARD 1208 wrote: im proud of taking all the systems now sooooooo mute point mate
Thats pathetic. But then again I thought you said no one cared about some of the systems? Your faction had to win them all, to get that carebear medal.
We had to evict Caldari out of every single home system - Rakapas saw constant fighting, except for a few hours around downtime, for two solid days. There were multiple black frog shipments arriving for the Caldari as the fighting raged, and the gallente alt logistics were kept very busy as well.
After Rakapas, other home systems saw heavy fighting, but no-one fought as hard and as timezone spread out as Rakapas.
Doing so while trying to keep all backwater systems under control was also a logistical challenge, but it could never have happenned without the pvp dominance in the home systems. |
Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society the devil's tattoo
854
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Posted - 2013.03.20 13:24:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Cearain wrote:ALUCARD 1208 wrote: im proud of taking all the systems now sooooooo mute point mate
Thats pathetic. But then again I thought you said no one cared about some of the systems? Your faction had to win them all, to get that carebear medal. We had to evict Caldari out of every single home system - Rakapas saw constant fighting, except for a few hours around downtime, for two solid days. There were multiple black frog shipments arriving for the Caldari as the fighting raged, and the gallente alt logistics were kept very busy as well. After Rakapas, other home systems saw heavy fighting, but no-one fought as hard and as timezone spread out as Rakapas. Doing so while trying to keep all backwater systems under control was also a logistical challenge, but it could never have happenned without the pvp dominance in the home systems.
Yes you needed to have the numbers to take the home systems. But you also needed the farmer alts in the backwaters. If no one cared about the other 90% of the systems, this would have been impossible. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society the devil's tattoo
854
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Posted - 2013.03.20 13:33:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote: No chasing necessary if you have a notification system. And there would be far less pve in plexes, and far more pvp.
Really, how are you going to run the rabbit out of the plex? In any case, for clarification: "Chase" = You warping into plex to attack rabbit. "PVE" = You sitting on button until plex is complete after the rabbit leaves. Everybody (but you) knows we have more than enough opportunities to do this already without notification system.
Chase does not equal going into a plex. Chase = chasing rabbit after he leaves plex.
PVE = you sitting on a button when no one even knows you are there and therefore no one comes in to fight. Look at the killboards for the days that the top daily vp earners get the top vp spots.
If the rabbit leaves and you stay but others in the militia know exactly where you are capping a plex there will be one or 2 people in the militia a jump or 2 away who want a fight. They will come.
You make it sound like everyone in militia are just rabbits who hate pvp outside the blob. Thats not the case. And even if that is the case now, that would change over time with notifications and rollbacks.
The mechanics attract certain types of players. Right now rabbits find fw very attractive because they can hide in backwaters and make isk. If the mechanics prevent people from hiding and make it easier to find pvp in plexes then the mechanics will attract a different sort of player. This is what you seem to fail to understand. You keep thinking that even if the mechanics change to make it much less profitable for rabbits to make isk they will still stay around in the same numbers and the pvpers will still assume everyone is a rabbit so not even try to find a fight. Changing mechanics changes who is attracted to the game and how they play the game.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society the devil's tattoo
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Posted - 2013.03.20 13:40:00 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:Cearain wrote:ALUCARD 1208 wrote:why would a notification suddenly make a system noone gives a fk about suddenly become disrable???? get real.... Becasue the occupancy game would no longer be joke of a carebear race. still wouldnt make people care about backwaters you didnt answer the question u just skirted round it............ now cmon why would a notification system make a system more desirable
I did answer the question you just didn't like the answer. Why don't you think about it. Why do people want to win at any game? Take an amature soccer game, pool or baseball? Why do they want to win? Because they get isk? Because they are good games and fun to try winning.
Right now occupancy is a matter of who can get the most alts orbitting systems in back waters in stabbed ships. People can look up the killboards of those who are the best at it and see that it is a horrible game. It's not a good game that is fun to try winning. That is why no one cares. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Black Dragon Fighting Society the devil's tattoo
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Posted - 2013.03.20 13:46:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:No, we fundamentally disagree. FW occupancy isnt meant to be serious. Its just there to provide a context and driver for PvP. It does. If you want serious occupancy, dull-sec is available.
Where did I say it should be more "serious"? I want the occupancy game to be a good one. Soccer is a good game. Is it serious? You make no sense.
Crosi Wesdo wrote: There are tweaks needed to discourage farmers, but to be totally honest, farmers have their place.
If it wasnt for farmers getting un-cared for systems to vulnerable constantly, there would be no catalyst for BC/BS fleets in FW low sec. The more often systems go vulnerable, and are flpped, the more often there is a significant number of high dps ships in space creating content for everyone.
You are just a blathering roleplayer with no idea whats best for the game.
Yep we definitely disagree I am against the current mechanics where pve farmers control 90% of the systems. You are fine with it. We finally got to the bottom of it.
And what is with the roleplayer bit? You really don't know what you are talking about. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
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Posted - 2013.03.20 13:47:00 -
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im sorry but you never answered it all u said was
Quote: Becasue the occupancy game would no longer be joke of a carebear race
that doesnt explain how a system noone gives a fk about suddenly makes people give a fk just because there being told a farmer is there..... its a backwater on any given day theres probably a farmer there we all know that just cos were being told that there in that system doesnt make us care ne more about that system...
also u say wen u get there u chase out the farmer and u finish the plex thats making it just as much pve as the farmer running it imo GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
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