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Akira Na'Reece
The House of Tascien
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Posted - 2013.02.18 11:40:00 -
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Hi everyone,
I've been paying EVE for over 2 years and in that time the cost of buying PLEX in the game has almost doubled in purchase price.
The cost of mining and other game rewards has not gone up to reflect this inflation cost, so can someone shed any light as to why the cost of in-game plex gone up ? Surely with more and more people playing Eve, this cost should have gone down to reflect the swelling numbers of new players and the options available to buy more Plex.
This is frustrating, especially as Eve does not allow the use of bots to mine, so personally I find more and more of my game time, is spent mining, which lets face it, is a very tedious task and can take hours and hours of plain boredom, especialy if you only have 1 character (I have more than 1, however im sure you get my point here).
At least if you allowed bots to mine, they could take some of the tediousness out of the game and allow genuine game play as opposed to spending hours mining over and over just to attempt to be able to buy in game plex.
Has anyone else found the prices in the game for items as generally gone up over the past few years ?
I do apreciate that bots can be exploited and there are forces at large who will take advantage of this. My point here ISNT about bots, its about the rising cost of in game Plex. |
Signal11th
The Retirement Club
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Posted - 2013.02.18 11:41:00 -
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Akira Na'Reece wrote:Hi everyone,
I've been paying EVE for just over 2 years and in that time, the cost of buying PLEX in the game has almost doubled in cost.
The cost of mining and other game rewards has not gone up to reflect this inflation cost, so why cam someone shed any light as to why the cost of in-game plex gone up ? Surely with more and more people playing Eve, this cost should have gone down to reflect the swelling numbers of new players and the options available to buy more Plex.
This is frustrating, especially as Eve does not allow the use of bots to mine, so personally I find more and more of my game time, is spent mining, which lets face it, is a very tedious task and can take hours and hours of plain boredom, especialy if you only have 1 character (I have more than 1, however im sure you get my point here).
At least if you allowed bots to mine, they could take some of the tediousness out of the game and allow genuine game play as opposed to spending hours mining over and over just to attempt to be able to buy in game plex.
Has anyone else found the prices in the game for items as generally gone up over the past few years ?
I do apreciate that bots can be exploited and there are forces at large who will take advantage of this. My point here ISNT about bots, its about the rising cost of in game Plex.
Supply and demand..nothing else. Demand is outweighing supply I'd imagine. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.18 11:42:00 -
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Akira Na'Reece wrote:The cost of mining and other game rewards has not gone up to reflect this inflation cost,
yes it has. Obvious Goon alt that's never mined a day in his life(!) |
Akira Na'Reece
The House of Tascien
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Posted - 2013.02.18 11:44:00 -
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Appreciate the quick comments, but with the average Plex in the region of between 550 and 650 million to buy a month's in game plex, the rewards have not risen in line with this price.
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terzslave
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.18 11:44:00 -
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Don't mine then, do something more profitable. |
Eto Tekai
Hounds Of War WHY so Seri0Us
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Posted - 2013.02.18 11:45:00 -
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Haha this guy really thinks that if we were all allowed to make AFK isk all day that the price of plex would go down.
What fantasy world do you live in?
Do people really think like this? |
Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.18 11:50:00 -
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Akira Na'Reece wrote:Appreciate the quick comments, but with the average Plex in the region of between 550 and 650 million to buy a month's in game plex, the rewards have not risen in line with this price.
once again, yes, they have. Obvious Goon alt that's never mined a day in his life(!) |
Akira Na'Reece
The House of Tascien
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Posted - 2013.02.18 11:50:00 -
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The fantasty universe I live in err that would be the Eve Universe!
and I'm not asking for the price to go down, I do have a grasp of economics, I'm just asking why hasn't the reward system risen in line to reflect this over the past few years.
I do missions too, however, if a newbie to the game starts with a month's membership then is hit with a 650 million cost of another month, is it farr to expect them in a newbie ship with simple mission to get to a standard where they can afford a 650 million cost bill to continue to play...
I'm just starting a thread, no bashing please.
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terzslave
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.18 11:52:00 -
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Akira Na'Reece wrote:The fantasty universe I live in err that would be the Eve Universe!
and I'm not asking for the price to go down, I do have a grasp of economics, I'm just asking why hasn't the reward system risen in line to reflect this over the past few years.
I do missions too, however, if a newbie to the game starts with a month's membership then is hit with a 650 million cost of another month, is it farr to expect them in a newbie ship with simple mission to get to a standard where they can afford a 650 million cost bill to continue to play...
I'm just starting a thread, no bashing please.
Then they can pay for a subscription. Why should the game get to the a point where everyone is just buying plex? There's already enough inflation in the game as it is. |
Signal11th
The Retirement Club
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Posted - 2013.02.18 11:53:00 -
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Akira Na'Reece wrote:Appreciate the quick comments, but with the average Plex in the region of between 550 and 650 million to buy a month's in game plex, the rewards have not risen in line with this price.
Why should it? You are assigning somethign to a market item, regardless of what the PLEX gives you it's just an item. The cost for this item has risen why should the "rewards" it gives you be increased?
E.g The cost of my petrol has gone up nearly 100% in 10 years but the petrol doesn;t last any longer in my car I just either have to pay it or don;t drive. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
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Eto Tekai
Hounds Of War WHY so Seri0Us
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Posted - 2013.02.18 11:54:00 -
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Look man, You are making the mistake of turning eve into a job. You have to "work" to get the isk to plex your alts. You are doing it wrong man, and will eventually stop playing out of frustration.
Just pay for your account subs, or are you really ok with making about a dollar fifty an hour. |
addelee
Low Sec Pharmacies The East India Co.
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Posted - 2013.02.18 11:55:00 -
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Plex is cheap at the minute. It's hit about a 3 month low. As someone said, supply and demand. Plex is far more in demand now than it originally was (perhaps partly due to the re sculpturing) and supply will never match as you have to pay real world money for it.
Mining, and most other activities, have gone up as well as it may not be entirely proportional but it must be close. If you put your mind to it, you can easily make 500Mill doing Level 4 missions for a couple of days (if that) once you include rewards for LP. |
Akira Na'Reece
The House of Tascien
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Posted - 2013.02.18 11:57:00 -
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Perhaps I should re-phrase my initial thread topic. How about.
Hello all, I've been playing Eve for just over 2 years and mostly do Security level 3 and 4 missions and weekends of mining to supliment my eve ISK account. I usually stay with the high security regions as I find when I venture our, I get basted to crap by dozern of little (word removed) who wait for unsuspecting traders to get beyond safe areas,.
I'm finding it hard to keep up buying the monthly subscriptions of affording around 650 million isk for a month's extention and would welcome tips/comments on how I can raise these funds more quickly without the tedium of mining, transport missions and sec 3 and 4 kill missions within relatively high security systems.
Better.... ?
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Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.18 11:57:00 -
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Akira Na'Reece wrote:At least if you allowed bots to mine, they could take some of the tediousness out of the game and allow genuine game play as opposed to spending hours mining over and over just to attempt to be able to buy in game plex.. Get Out. No, seriously, get out. "I'd rather have other players-áget shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.02.18 11:58:00 -
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terzslave wrote:Akira Na'Reece wrote:...Snip... Then they can pay for a subscription. Why should the game get to the a point where everyone is just buying plex? There's already enough inflation in the game as it is. Are you saying that the trading of a Plex for ISK, causes inflation?
Vote Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.18 11:59:00 -
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"I should be able to bit so I can buy plex"
That's what I read, and the op can say its not about bottling all he likes, he's full of it.
Guy wants to bot. Period.
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Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.18 12:00:00 -
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addelee wrote:Mining, and most other activities, have gone up as well as it may not be entirely proportional but it must be close.
trit. 4isk/unit 12 months ago, 6 isk/unit now. 50% increase in income. plex. 480m 12 months ago, 530m now. just over 10% increase.
if anything, miners have an easier time plexing their accounts now than they did 12 months ago. Obvious Goon alt that's never mined a day in his life(!) |
Akira Na'Reece
The House of Tascien
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Posted - 2013.02.18 12:01:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:Akira Na'Reece wrote:At least if you allowed bots to mine, they could take some of the tediousness out of the game and allow genuine game play as opposed to spending hours mining over and over just to attempt to be able to buy in game plex.. Get Out. No, seriously, get out.
If you continue to read, I also say this thread isn't about Bots, I completely understand the need to not allow them, I'm simply commenting on my time spent mining which detracts from my overall game enjoyment. |
Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.18 12:02:00 -
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Akira Na'Reece wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:Akira Na'Reece wrote:At least if you allowed bots to mine, they could take some of the tediousness out of the game and allow genuine game play as opposed to spending hours mining over and over just to attempt to be able to buy in game plex.. Get Out. No, seriously, get out. If you continue to read, I also say this thread isn't about Bots, I completely understand the need to not allow them, I'm simply commenting on my time spent mining which detracts from my overall game enjoyment.
which is less than the time spent mining than you were doing 12 months ago.
what *exactly* is your problem? Obvious Goon alt that's never mined a day in his life(!) |
Signal11th
The Retirement Club
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Posted - 2013.02.18 12:02:00 -
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Akira Na'Reece wrote:Perhaps I should re-phrase my initial thread topic. How about.
Hello all, I've been playing Eve for just over 2 years and mostly do Security level 3 and 4 missions and weekends of mining to supliment my eve ISK account. I usually stay with the high security regions as I find when I venture our, I get basted to crap by dozern of little (word removed) who wait for unsuspecting traders to get beyond safe areas,.
I'm finding it hard to keep up buying the monthly subscriptions of affording around 650 million isk for a month's extention and would welcome tips/comments on how I can raise these funds more quickly without the tedium of mining, transport missions and sec 3 and 4 kill missions within relatively high security systems.
Better.... ?
The problem is there isn't an easy answer, you can;t really base your playing on EVE on the ability to buy a market item (PLEX) then complain when market forces on the item cause it to become a problem.
I faced this choice a few years back, I either spend all my time earning money for plex or lose some accounts and just pay for the ones I used. I did the latter and EVE is interesting again for me basically for the fact I can spend my limited EVE time doing what I want to do and not being forced to rat,explore,scam just to PLEX accounts I used once in a blue moon.
God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster. |
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Stoogie
Cadre Assault Force This is why we cant have nice things
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Posted - 2013.02.18 12:05:00 -
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If you want to bot leave the game. And the thread is about you wanting to bot because you brought it up in the first post. |
Abannan
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.02.18 12:07:00 -
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You could, you know, just pay the -ú10 or $12 or whatever it is? |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2013.02.18 12:09:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:"I should be able to bit so I can buy plex"
That's what I read, and the op can say its not about bottling all he likes, he's full of it.
Guy wants to bot. Period.
^the Goon is right.
Abannan wrote:You could, you know, just pay the -ú10 or $12 or whatever it is?
It's easy to get the money for plex if you want to, I'm just too cheap (in ingame money) to do so :p Which activity, he might ask? Any - it just takes the correct approach. |
Arronicus
Brave Newbies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.18 12:11:00 -
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The means of making isk to buy plex have increase. Faction warfare, and the way incursions were both worked toward helping elevate plex to where they are now. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1779
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Posted - 2013.02.18 12:11:00 -
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Stoogie wrote:If you want to bot leave the game. And the thread is about you wanting to bot because you brought it up in the first post. Said it twice in fact.
If only he could bot, then he wouldn't have to worry about paying for the game.
Op should just quit EVE so he doesn't have to worry about plex pricesg, and the rest of us don't have to worry about another **** gamer. |
Akira Na'Reece
The House of Tascien
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Posted - 2013.02.18 12:13:00 -
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Stoogie wrote:If you want to bot leave the game. And the thread is about you wanting to bot because you brought it up in the first post.
No no I don't and No it doesnt stay that at all.
Lets clear something, for what appears to be the one's that cant' read simple English
I am NOT someone who uses bots, I have NEVER been someone who uses bots and its NOT my intention to use them. They are illegal in the game and anyone who uses them should be expelled! Is that clear enough !!
If you have actually read my initial thread and my subsequent re-write and not just looked for a buzz word, you'll read I was asking about what I preceive to be the increase cost of plex to continue to play Eve.
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Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.18 12:15:00 -
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Akira Na'Reece wrote: for what appears to be the one's that cant' read simple English
the irony. it hurts. Obvious Goon alt that's never mined a day in his life(!) |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2013.02.18 12:18:00 -
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Akira Na'Reece wrote:Perhaps I should re-phrase my initial thread topic. How about.
Hello all, I've been playing Eve for just over 2 years and mostly do Security level 3 and 4 missions and weekends of mining to supliment my eve ISK account. I usually stay with the high security regions as I find when I venture our, I get basted to crap by dozern of little (word removed) who wait for unsuspecting traders to get beyond safe areas,.
I'm finding it hard to keep up buying the monthly subscriptions of affording around 650 million isk for a month's extention and would welcome tips/comments on how I can raise these funds more quickly without the tedium of mining, transport missions and sec 3 and 4 kill missions within relatively high security systems.
Better.... ?
There is a finite supply of PLEX into EVE. They're created by players buying Game Time Cards for real money, converting them into PLEX and selling them, not by CCP spawning them as many seem to assume (I hope you didn't assume that?)
So let's say that there are 10,000 PLEX per month created into EVE. Their ISK price will be at the level that the 10,000 richest characters owned by players who don't want to pay a subscription will pay. Now if it was easily viable for a character who engaged in low-level play in the safest area to raise this amount of surplus ISK, there would be many more than just 10,000 players who could pay that price. Given that pretty much everyone would like to play for free, then obviously the price will rise to the point where the number of people who can afford it equals the number of PLEX available.
Now recently (by which I mean comparitively recently from my perspective of playing for 6.5 years) CCP introduced a number of mechanics that made relatively small groups of players a vast amount of ISK via PvE methods; there was the POS mods & mechanical parts screwup when Planetary Interaction was introduced, there was the technetium bottleneck when moon minerals were rebalanced, then Incursions until they were rebalanced, and then the Faction Warfare wealth fountain last summer. Each of these events created a large pool of extremely wealthy players who, naturally, used their in game wealth to pay for their accounts. You're making maybe 20-30M an hour at most doing level 3 missions, but you're competing against people who merrily farmed up 200M per hour or more running FW plexes all summer. So of course PLEX seem expensive to you.
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Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
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Posted - 2013.02.18 12:19:00 -
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Akira Na'Reece wrote:The fantasty universe I live in err that would be the Eve Universe!
and I'm not asking for the price to go down, I do have a grasp of economics, I'm just asking why hasn't the reward system risen in line to reflect this over the past few years.
I do missions too, however, if a newbie to the game starts with a month's membership then is hit with a 650 million cost of another month, is it farr to expect them in a newbie ship with simple mission to get to a standard where they can afford a 650 million cost bill to continue to play...
I'm just starting a thread, no bashing please.
EvE is not FTP. People do not have to afford 650 millions per month, they have to afford 15 euros/dollars per month.
The PLEX system is secondary. For you to purchase game time with ISK, someone DID have to pay 20 euros/dollars (broadly speaking, I know about special websites and special CCP packs).
And those people can ask for whatever they WANT.
It's THEIR item.
You might as well complain because of the price someone is asking for ships or modules. Makes zero sense. |
Ankles McGlashan
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.18 12:25:00 -
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I just bought one for 530 they're pretty cheap at the moment. just wait until the next power of 2 deal...
if you don't want to be at the mercy of the market you need to get some coin to rub together and buy it up when prices are depressed. |
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