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Fox God
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Posted - 2013.07.11 14:03:00 -
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PopplerRo wrote:As you already have caldari skills you may be quicker to just skill into the rokh, then blasters. While you have those at least you are capable of taking part in most incursion sites and making isk while you possibly train toward something like a vindicator. Where did you see that he already had caldari skills? All I saw was the three ships he was asking about. Rokhs with rails are bad mmmk (inb4 theorycrafted 150km+ scenarios). So he really needs blasters before he can fly any of those boats. I think the sideways train to make a rokh (the extra couple of days for cal bs 4) could be much better put to use in the gunnery skill tree, or even the engineering skill tree depending on what his cap and shield skills are like. |
Dutch Todoko
Green Visstick High Green Rhino
0
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Posted - 2013.07.11 14:13:00 -
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http://eveboard.com/pilot/Dutch_Todoko |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
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Posted - 2013.07.11 14:14:00 -
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Dutch Todoko wrote:Hi guys,
Incursions just got my intrest and what ship can you recommend?
I fly now a drake but for incursions I need a battleship.
I was thinking about:
Rokh Megathron Or Hyperion
What one is the best, less skill intensive?
And some common tips and tricks? Everyone is just guessing for you right now, since you fly a drake PopplerRo is figuring you can fly a Caldari BS, since you're asking about caldari and gallente BS's everyone in assuming that means you have trained blaster. With a detailed list of your current skills it takes a lot of the guesswork out and can give you some exact measures of time and ISK needed to get you into an Incursion fleet.
Of course this can be handled faster in a chat, make an eveboard for your character and join some of the public chats listed in the first two post of the OP, and I am confident someone in those chat will be able to help you out quick. Or get an Eveboard link in here and the community here will be able to help better as well.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Couch Camoflage, If you sit very still maybe they wont see you. |
Dutch Todoko
Green Visstick High Green Rhino
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Posted - 2013.07.11 14:16:00 -
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I just posted it! Did somthing wrong with api so it took abit longer, I got zero railgun skills but so far most people are flying gallente in incursions that are affordable for me. |
Fox God
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Posted - 2013.07.11 14:25:00 -
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Juding by your eveboard, you are not prepared to fly BSs hardly at all, so you have a bit more work to do, I'd say a months worth should get your foot in the door. Personally I'd go with the Mega->NavyMega (upgrading ASAP due to tank issues). You're gunnery skills need a lot of work as of right now you can hardly do any damage. The following is a list of basic skills you will need to effectively fly your ship.
Signature Analysis 3 (lock time)
Engineering 4 (cap management) Energy Systems Operatinon 4 (cap management) High Speed Maneuvering 4 (cap management)
Even with those skills trained you will still probably need to invest in a gist c-type MWD (no worries they are cheap).
Looking at Spaceship command I would definitely get Gallente Battleship 4 right off the bat (it will help down the road too when getting a vindicator).
Now on to gunnery :( : Large Hybrid Turret 4 Motion prediction 4 Trajectory Analysis 4 Sharpshooter 4 Surgical Strike 4 Weapon Upgrades 5 Advanced Weapon Upgrades 4 Large Hybrid Turret 5 (Then get to t2 guns)
Before you get Large Hybrid turrent 5 I would go back and finish out those cap aiding skills.
That's how I would do it, I'm not sure if I got all the gunnery as I dont have evemon at work so :(. |
Dutch Todoko
Green Visstick High Green Rhino
0
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Posted - 2013.07.11 14:27:00 -
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Thanks! I injected those gunnery skills 4 days ago but didn't train them much, they are still on the list!
BS skill I want to 4 of the race im going to fly.
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Fox God
5
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Posted - 2013.07.11 14:37:00 -
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Dutch Todoko wrote:Thanks! I injected those gunnery skills 4 days ago but didn't train them much, they are still on the list!
BS skill I want to 4 of the race im going to fly.
No problem man, hit me up in game sometime if you need any help getting your ship together or anything. |
Dutch Todoko
Green Visstick High Green Rhino
0
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Posted - 2013.07.11 14:43:00 -
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Thanks for the list its somthing I was thinking also on! Now "only" have to train for it and get the isk... |
Fox God
5
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Posted - 2013.07.11 14:50:00 -
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Dutch Todoko wrote:Thanks for the list its somthing I was thinking also on! Now "only" have to train for it and get the isk... It'll be worth every second once your in a fleet pulling ~120-180m/hr |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
555
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Posted - 2013.07.11 18:42:00 -
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Starting from : http://eveboard.com/pilot/Frostys_Virpio
Best bet is gunnery for a Rock then crosstrain for Nightmare right? |
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Bruce Rossignol
Mother Corp
1
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Posted - 2013.07.12 00:34:00 -
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Frostys yup or go for a vindi as it might be a bit quicker as you'll only need to do the the BS skills for gal n mintar then having to train energy weapons and amarr BS.
Best thing to do would be to get in the rokh and get a taste for incursions, see what type of fleets you like being apart weather its VG's or HQ's.
TVP, WTM and some of the VG groups will take Rokhs in so once the gunnery skills are sorted finding a fleet shouldn't be to hard. Most groups have mailing lists with their fits in so join them and see how they'll like you to fit a out a ship. most groups are somewhat relaxed on the rigs as they know people run with various groups in both HQ's and VG's, most will be happy as long as you have at least an EM rig as it pugs shields naturally em hole somewhat |
Fox God
10
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:11:00 -
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[Rokh, T2] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II
EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 100MN Microwarpdrive II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Anode Mega Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Anode Mega Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Anode Mega Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Anode Mega Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Anode Mega Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Anode Mega Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Anode Mega Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Anode Mega Neutron Particle Cannon I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5
Frosty, thankfully the crosstrain between blasters and lasers share many supprort skills. I would work on getting all of the gunnery support skills to 4 first and get large blasters.
However, I see that you do have some missile skills. A cruise RNI (while not the most preferred ship to get in, and if you get an FC with a stigma against cruises you might not be invited) will do better than a rokh. You will need to be on the VVV and not the sniper anchor though or you will waste a lot of your DPS. So if I were you I would actually try to get into fleets with the RNI (maybe even train torps so people don't hate on your cruise missiles as much). And then double back and train gunnery for the nightmare. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
569
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Posted - 2013.07.15 05:00:00 -
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Fox God wrote:
However, I see that you do have some missile skills. A cruise RNI (while not the most preferred ship to get in, and if you get an FC with a stigma against cruises you might not be invited) will do better than a rokh. You will need to be on the VVV and not the sniper anchor though or you will waste a lot of your DPS. So if I were you I would actually try to get into fleets with the RNI (maybe even train torps so people don't hate on your cruise missiles as much). And then double back and train gunnery for the nightmare.
THough about trying with a missile ship but they really seem to be disliked. May I ask what VVV means? |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
463
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Posted - 2013.07.15 11:53:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Fox God wrote:
However, I see that you do have some missile skills. A cruise RNI (while not the most preferred ship to get in, and if you get an FC with a stigma against cruises you might not be invited) will do better than a rokh. You will need to be on the VVV and not the sniper anchor though or you will waste a lot of your DPS. So if I were you I would actually try to get into fleets with the RNI (maybe even train torps so people don't hate on your cruise missiles as much). And then double back and train gunnery for the nightmare.
THough about trying with a missile ship but they really seem to be disliked. May I ask what VVV means? VVV means Vindicator anchor, this group usually drives to the spawns anticipated spawning point (That's worded badly) so their guns/weapons are at optimal for the longest time. This tactic is used to ensure minimal loss of DPS during the key moments after a spawn when the rats are not moving
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Couch Camoflage, If you sit very still maybe they wont see you. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
573
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Posted - 2013.07.15 22:35:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Fox God wrote:
However, I see that you do have some missile skills. A cruise RNI (while not the most preferred ship to get in, and if you get an FC with a stigma against cruises you might not be invited) will do better than a rokh. You will need to be on the VVV and not the sniper anchor though or you will waste a lot of your DPS. So if I were you I would actually try to get into fleets with the RNI (maybe even train torps so people don't hate on your cruise missiles as much). And then double back and train gunnery for the nightmare.
THough about trying with a missile ship but they really seem to be disliked. May I ask what VVV means? VVV means Vindicator anchor, this group usually drives to the spawns anticipated spawning point (That's worded badly) so their guns/weapons are at optimal for the longest time. This tactic is used to ensure minimal loss of DPS during the key moments after a spawn when the rats are not moving
Thanks. Also, I just learned why many people seem to hate the T2 gun progression skill wise... |
Jasmine Assasin
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.07.17 12:34:00 -
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My idea was to run VGs but what groups are running those now or are any? What would I need to swap to get into HQs?
This is what I have so far. Any ideas, suggestions? Anything obvious I'm missing? What (if any) other ammo should I carry? I have ran VGs with a Mega in the past so I know how they work, never done an HQ site before.
[Nightmare, VGs] Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Damage Control II
EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
True Sansha Mega Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L True Sansha Mega Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L True Sansha Mega Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L True Sansha Mega Pulse Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Large Energy Transfer Array II Large Shield Transporter II
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Large Energy Burst Aerator II
Warrior II x15
I added the tech II Burst as it seemed to add substantial DPS, I tried using two tech Is and some other combos but for some reason this seems to work where the other combos fell flat (like adding 50DPS instead of 2...). I don't get it unless it's just an EFT error. I am still training for tech II Energy weapon rigs so I don't know for sure myself yet. Everything else is trained and fitted as described. |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
472
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Posted - 2013.07.17 19:00:00 -
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Jasmine Assasin, most of the Nightmare fits I have seen are Tachyon Nightmares, for VG's the pulses might work but it depends on who you are flying with and whether they use Nightmares as snipers or close range DPS. The fit looks capable but again it depends on who you are running with, OGB availability, community standards and of course your comfort zone.
I haven't heard anything lately about who is doing VG fleets every day, I know Warp to Me and ICU was running some pretty dedicated VG fleet every day a few weeks ago, and ISN tends to keep a VG fleet up when some members are available but not enough for an HQ, you probably need to check a few channels to find out for sure.
As far as Crystals go, it depends on number of tracking computers and the scripts your running. I personally use 3 Tracking Comps when I fly a nightmare with two scripted for range and one for speed I then have the following ranges and change crystals as the distance closes.
Aurora > 102km Standard > 90 Ultraviolet > 78 X-ray > 67 Gamma >55 Multifrequency > 23 Gleam, under 23
I have been using a Mach for quite some time now so I could be wrong on those, double check with a more current pilot to verify or simply plug the crystals in and check your ranges with your skills and make a cheat sheet till you have them memorized.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Couch Camoflage, If you sit very still maybe they wont see you. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
387
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Posted - 2013.07.22 17:26:00 -
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To the top some useful info among the garbage the 1st page is clogged with. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
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Eida La
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.07.24 05:38:00 -
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Looking to try something new; is anyone willing to take a look at my character and give me an idea of how to train and a rough timeline until a FC would find me relevant? Obviously, I have limited experience with BS size ships.
edit: I'm willing to train towards Logi as well if that is a high-demand role for Incursions.
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Eida_La |
DTson Gauur
Underground-Operators Illuminantur Dominium Sicarioum
13
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Posted - 2013.07.24 08:33:00 -
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Eida La wrote:Looking to try something new; is anyone willing to take a look at my character and give me an idea of how to train and a rough timeline until a FC would find me relevant? Obviously, I have limited experience with BS size ships.
edit: I'm willing to train towards Logi as well if that is a high-demand role for Incursions. edit2: Looks like I'm not THAT far away from being able to fly a Scimitar decently (18d); are these used in enough Incursion fleets to make it worth training into?
Scimitars are very welcome to fleets (dem tracking links <3).
By going over your skills, Scimitar is your best option really. Ideally you would want to train Logistics 5 and Repair Drone Operation 4 and Sensor Linking 4 as a start, then work your way through the skills needed as a logi pilot to "max out"
Goldiiee can tell you a lot more about the fits and such, I haven't touched a logi ship in years. |
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Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
488
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:06:00 -
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Eida La wrote:Looking to try something new; is anyone willing to take a look at my character and give me an idea of how to train and a rough timeline until a FC would find me relevant? Obviously, I have limited experience with BS size ships. edit: I'm willing to train towards Logi as well if that is a high-demand role for Incursions. edit2: Looks like I'm not THAT far away from being able to fly a Scimitar decently (18d); are these used in enough Incursion fleets to make it worth training into? http://eveboard.com/pilot/Eida_La I know it seems like a lot of posts to read through, so I will drop some links to the posts where The Djego answered this with a lot of detail and helpful advise.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3313911#post3313911 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3314437#post3314437
Additionally some other posts by number that were relevant to Logi. Post number in this thread. #58 - #60, #62 - #63, #65, #87, #91 - #93, #203 - #206. #229 - #235 #241 - #242, #345 -,#349
As DTson Gauur pointed out you will need Logistics 5 trained to be useful to most fleets, particularly in a Scimi the PG and recharge times are really sensitive to that skill on purpose. But if your willing to put tin the time to train it I know there are many communities looking to add more reliable Logi's to their ranks.
In short; Train it and you will find plenty of Fleet and ISK opportunities.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Couch Camoflage, If you sit very still maybe they wont see you. |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
488
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Posted - 2013.07.30 09:31:00 -
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Bump
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Couch Camoflage, If you sit very still maybe they wont see you. |
Leroy Jen-kins
Dark Forge Enterprise CORPVS DELICTI
0
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Posted - 2013.07.31 14:19:00 -
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Please not that TVP although they have tengus in there mailing list the chances of gettin in a fleet is 5% and soon they will be pushed out of the list all together .
So whats a tengu pilot to do to get into a incursion
A: Cross Train B: fly something to please them C: just hand them your char
Thats right see they say train skills to fly a battleship to fly a faction fitted navy or faction battleship .
Yet ppl seem to forget what if we dont wanna train for these what gives these ppl the right to tell us to train for certain ships maybe a new incursion channel should be opened where everyone can get the chance to join a incursion because its rather 1 sided argument atm |
Blizzaro
Enter The Abyss. Verge of Carebearing
3
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:40:00 -
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Leroy Jen-kins wrote:Please not that TVP although they have tengus in there mailing list the chances of gettin in a fleet is 5% and soon they will be pushed out of the list all together .
So whats a tengu pilot to do to get into a incursion
A: Cross Train B: fly something to please them C: just hand them your char
Thats right see they say train skills to fly a battleship to fly a faction fitted navy or faction battleship .
Yet ppl seem to forget what if we dont wanna train for these what gives these ppl the right to tell us to train for certain ships maybe a new incursion channel should be opened where everyone can get the chance to join a incursion because its rather 1 sided argument atm
Why would you not want to earn isk quicker?
Why would you not want to be in an optimal ship?
I don't understand.
Edit: Oh wait I do you bought the toon for 3 bill flying a tengu a couple of days ago and expect to be given a free isk pass. |
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
142
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Posted - 2013.07.31 18:25:00 -
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Leroy Jen-kins wrote:Thats right see they say train skills to fly a battleship to fly a faction fitted navy or faction battleship .
Yet ppl seem to forget what if we dont wanna train for these what gives these ppl the right to tell us to train for certain ships It's a channel run by a group of players. They have the right to demand that new pilots fly Echelons and sing showtunes to get in fleets if they really want to. You're under no obligation to do what they tell you to do, but they're under no obligation to accept you into their fleets. If you don't like the way they run things, find a different group. There are lots of them out there. If you don't like the way any of them do things, you're free to start your own.
Blizzaro wrote:Why would you not want to earn isk quicker?
Why would you not want to be in an optimal ship?
I don't understand. Incursions are just one of many things competing for training time in this game. Can't really blame someone for having their own priorities. (Hint: sometimes fun trumps ISK.) |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
489
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Posted - 2013.07.31 19:52:00 -
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Leroy Jen-kins, Sorry to hear TVP is phasing out TenguGÇÖs I can only imagine the TVP leadership is having to make some hard choices about fleet ships in order to protect their community from the contest nature Incursions have taken on. I canGÇÖt remember what post I addressed this issue in previously but it was back a few pages; basically TVP is modifying their tactics to match other communities (Assumption I havenGÇÖt spoken to DaisyCutter or anyone from TVP in a month) as a Tengu has a high probability of losing some DPS to instant damage turrets, and they have a max DPS a few hundred below most BSGÇÖs and a full 1000 below a Vindicator I can only assume TVP is rightly trying to fill the spot in fleet with the most DPS available. Unfortunate for Tengu pilots but necessary I am sure.
But this might be an opportunity to start a Tengu community, I know they can do VGGÇÖs and possibly even be solid performers in Assaults (NCNGÇÖs would still require a BS wing) who knows this might be your opportunity to break into the GÇÿGÇÖNew Incursion communityGÇÖGÇÖ trend we seem to see every week. If you do, let me know, I will add your group to the OP and direct T3 pilots your way.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Couch Camoflage, If you sit very still maybe they wont see you. |
Keira Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated You've got RED on you
2
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Posted - 2013.07.31 20:06:00 -
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X up for the VGs in that Tengu, TVP were running them earlier but people would rather wait for a rare spot in an HQ fleet while making ZERO ISK and the VG fleet fizzled out.
I don't understand the thinking, if you want to make ISK, carry VG fits with you to main systems, if you can't get into the HQ, change up and go have some casual Incursion time, WHILE MAKING ISK. |
James Baboli
Warner Bros.
11
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Posted - 2013.08.02 21:40:00 -
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Leroy Jen-kins wrote:Please not that TVP although they have tengus in there mailing list the chances of gettin in a fleet is 5% and soon they will be pushed out of the list all together .
Tengus have a place. It is not really incursions, with the exception of NCNs. They deal subpar DPS at standard DPS ranges. They can no longer snipe. They aren't nearly as good at drone bunnying as 6 gun arty lokis, especially if you run triple web or dual web + SeBo. They don't usually carry many mods to help the fleet for non-contest fleets, and most cruisers/frigs can speed tank their missiles if allowed to MWD without being webbed.
Train a loki. They're cool. or a dual web shield bhaal, the FC's will lol and then maybe let you fly it. Or a windi. Or a nightmare. Or heck, any of the t1 combat battleships if you're cheap or low SP.
Speaking of which, any intel people are willing to share on tests of dual web bhaalgorns with officer webs? |
James Baboli
Warner Bros.
11
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Posted - 2013.08.04 11:24:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Brainstorm Stormrage wrote:I recently started training toward incrusions. To have a better chance of getting into a fleet, should I first focus on sniper fits or DPS fits? Also anyone have links to Amarr BS fits that I should aim toward? Edit: NVM about fittings. Found this site: http://www.tdf-theditanianfleet.org/May be linking the appropriate community's website in the original post will help people. Didn't know they had a site, added the Link to the OP, thanks. Any other communities with Home page links please drop them in here and I will get them added to the OP.
Warp to Me Incursions has a homepage (soonGäó to include forums!) at Warptome.com |
Goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
492
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Posted - 2013.08.04 11:33:00 -
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James Baboli wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Brainstorm Stormrage wrote:I recently started training toward incrusions. To have a better chance of getting into a fleet, should I first focus on sniper fits or DPS fits? Also anyone have links to Amarr BS fits that I should aim toward? Edit: NVM about fittings. Found this site: http://www.tdf-theditanianfleet.org/May be linking the appropriate community's website in the original post will help people. Didn't know they had a site, added the Link to the OP, thanks. Any other communities with Home page links please drop them in here and I will get them added to the OP. Warp to Me Incursions has a homepage (soonGäó to include forums!) at Warptome.com Added, let me know if it changes.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Couch Camoflage, If you sit very still maybe they wont see you. |
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