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Natil Benethid
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.12 15:51:00 -
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Before you start judging me and this topic, this is an alt i am using. Reason being that i prefer to keep this discusion private (to my corporation i mean).
I have 15 million SP combat pilot and i covered a lot of things the game has to offer for a small corporation.
I am getting closer to the point where i can fly what i want to fly well, and must decide what i am going to plan next. Despite not being totally new to eve, The life in 0.0, sovereignity, POS management, Super capital ships are things i didn't look into at first simply because i was way to young to even think about it. I am still months or years from being ready to fly a titan, but i might aswell plan things well ahead.
I'll admit it, i am very interested in capital ships. I very well aware that a dread or titan are nothing more than siege weapons, only effective to defend a POS against other capital ships, or to take down a POS itself. I am also aware of the genreral limitations : needs a lot of logistic to actually move, no docking, the protection of a POS,....
All and all, this isn't something a small corporation can afford, and given the fact that 0.0 is very new corporation unfriendly, i think that the only way i can ever fly one of those ships without getting blown up after 5 minutes is to to join a well established Null sec corporation.
From my understanding... if i want to fly a titan or a dread , i need to join a corporation/alliance that can protect it and actually use it. I don't think coming to a recruitment center and say "Hey, i can fly a titan. Can i join in?" will get me anywhere.
Making plans for a T3 cruiser, or a BS is easy. I can't say the same for super capital ships. So i am asking to those who actually fly dreads or titans in eve :
- How do i even prepare for this? (outside of skill training that is, that i can do on my own)
- How i am suppose to approach a corp to offer my services as a super capital pilot?
- Should i join a 0.0 corp that needs Caps before i even begin the training (They require to fly lower class ships anyway)? Or should i approach those corps only when i am ready to fly the big boat?
- Outside of what i already stated about the requirements and limits of flying a titan. What other things must i be perpared for if i choose this path?
- What kind of support am i to expect from a 0.0 corp? Sure i can save billions of isks over time, but can i expect a corp some material or financial support to build the ship?
- On the same note, what will the said corp expect from me? I don't know like... am i suppose to stay x hours online a day, will i get called on my cellphone at 4 AM to get my guns ready?
- Last but not least. Is that goal achievable for a non-veterant in the first place? Provided that invest the time and effort in it. Are 0.0 based corporations still looking for new dread/titan pilots at all?
- How do you super capital ships pilots got there in the first place? Any tips?
Yes... I like big badass looking ships, i want to fly one for the good of my corporation, and i am not ashamed to say this is one of my goals in eve.
Replies from caps pilots, 0.0 vets will be most appreciated, but i am more than open to everyone's opinion on the matter. |
Efraya
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Posted - 2011.10.12 15:56:00 -
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A 15mill sp toon isn't anywhere near ready for a super. simplez
WSpace; Best space. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
120
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Posted - 2011.10.12 15:57:00 -
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Titans and dreads are strategical assets. You have (shouldn't have) no solo uses for them. Dreads can be used by non-vet pilots but i'd recommend against Titans not only because a non-skilled pilot might **** up with using it and lose it, but losing a titan deals a blow to your alliance credibility in the political scenario of the game.
Specially if you're a small alliance.
So getting a titan should be a need before a goal. Don't get a titan if you don't need one. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Rex Nefarius
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.12 15:58:00 -
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First of all, I'm assuming you mean supercarriers and titans, not dreads and titans. Dreads are not supercapitals, and very much achievable even for non-veterans (not recommended though). Titans and supercarriers are not just used for POS-fights, but for 0.0 warfare in general. Dreads are not used as much afik, but they used to be the bread amd butter of a POS siege, now it seems it's been taken over by the supercarriers. Best thing for you is probably to start training for capitals when you have a need for them, and make sure you are in a corp with other capital pilots. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
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Posted - 2011.10.12 15:58:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:but losing a titan deals a blow to your alliance credibility in the political scenario of the game. .
Don't know man, DRF loses titans often and it's just replaced via bot isk the next hour. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1699
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:01:00 -
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Make money. Buy a character. It's not all that hard. |
Myxx
Atropos Group Celestial Imperative
80
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:01:00 -
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if you want a supercap, be prepared to have to manage starbases and multiple accounts. get another account with the min skills to hold whatever ship you fly if its a supercap, this is so that you can switch corps without losing your ship in epic failure. also, alt corps for those characters wouldn't hurt either.
also, alts for cyno chains, freighters for fuel or whatever else... im missing a lot, but theres more to flying a supercap than a single pilot.
also as mentioned above you're going to need a lot of money and a lot of regular income. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
120
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:01:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:but losing a titan deals a blow to your alliance credibility in the political scenario of the game. . Don't know man, DRF loses titans often and it's just replaced via bot isk the next hour.
They lose because they are known to be able to afford losing them, so they can afford being more reckless with them.
An alliance who loses something they cannot afford to lose is not a very respectable alliance.. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Natil Benethid
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:02:00 -
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Efraya wrote:A 15mill sp toon isn't anywhere near ready for a super. simplez
Did i say i am ready? I think not. That doesn't mean i can't inform myself even if i can't fly one before months or years of SP training. The 15 Million SP statement isn't to say that i am ready to fly a super, it's just to say that i am not a week old toon that says "i want to fly a Titan". I Know the basics about eve, and that's what i wanted to say there. |
Smoking Blunts
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
96
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:02:00 -
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dont bother with scaps there soon to be very dull, dont bother with dreads they are only for shooting pos's, and even after the 'changes' are pretty worthless even for that
just cross train sub caps and if you really wnat a cap, carriers will be the only useful combat cap that i personally woudl recommend anyone bothers with anymore CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
120
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:06:00 -
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Natil Benethid wrote:Efraya wrote:A 15mill sp toon isn't anywhere near ready for a super. simplez Did i say i am ready? I think not. That doesn't mean i can't inform myself even if i can't fly one before months or years of SP training. The 15 Million SP statement isn't to say that i am ready to fly a super, it's just to say that i am not a week old toon that says "i want to fly a Titan". I Know the basics about eve, and that's what i wanted to say there.
Not exactly. There are 80m SP players who lived all of their lives in high-sec, low sec and some null space who knows nothing about titans. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Engineering Services
98
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:09:00 -
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titan-capable applicants are a dime the dozen, it's titan pilots with ship that are in high demand.
first figure out how you will make 60-70b for the ship, then do the same for a little longer to buy a pilot character (20-30b ISK)
As some people have demonstrated it definitely is possible to make the ~100b in a few months even as a fairly new player but for the vast majority of players ISK will be a problem.
Wasting a huge amount of SP if you will lack the money to actually get the ship once you are done training is pointless. First solve the ISK issue, once you have the ISK and are still determined to go ahead buy the SP you need.
(and don't lock your main into a space coffin) |
Natil Benethid
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:14:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Natil Benethid wrote:Efraya wrote:A 15mill sp toon isn't anywhere near ready for a super. simplez Did i say i am ready? I think not. That doesn't mean i can't inform myself even if i can't fly one before months or years of SP training. The 15 Million SP statement isn't to say that i am ready to fly a super, it's just to say that i am not a week old toon that says "i want to fly a Titan". I Know the basics about eve, and that's what i wanted to say there. Not exactly. There are 80m SP players who lived all of their lives in high-sec, low sec and some null space who knows nothing about titans.
yep, and am one of them .. er... Ignorants about titans i mean... not the 80m sp part.
Let's just say that i wanted to avoid comments like "big dosn't mean better", "a frigate can me more usefull", "You can't use one solo" ect... I already know these. Still, people seem to keep hammering my head with them.
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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
90
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:16:00 -
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Natil Benethid wrote:Let's just say that i wanted to avoid comments like "big dosn't mean better", "a frigate can me more usefull", "You can't use one solo" ect... I already know these. Still, people seem to keep hammering my head with them. Thats because so many current supercap pilots don't seem to understand this concept of not being able to fly solo o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
90
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:16:00 -
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double post o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Natil Benethid
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:18:00 -
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Alright lots of feedback. Thank your for your comments.
Judging for what i see here, titans and dreads while achievable goals, are not worth the effort.
Read about carriers being very good fleet support ships. Is it true? Can it be achievable for a small alliance in lowsec? |
Garbad theWeak
Blackwater USA Inc. Against ALL Authorities
7
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:19:00 -
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- How do i even prepare for this?
1. Get a carrier. and learn to fly it in pvp without dying, including jump drive use, docking games, etc. 2. Become trusted in a 0.0 pvp corp. 3. Earn massive amounts of isk. 4. Train/buy a perfect SP char.
- How i am suppose to approach a corp to offer my services as a super capital pilot?
Just apply. Cap pilots are always in demand.
- Should i join a 0.0 corp that needs Caps before i even begin the training (They require to fly lower class ships anyway)? Or should i approach those corps only when i am ready to fly the big boat?
Now. Prove yourself in subcaps, learn 0.0 culture, gain trust/respect. Move into a cap and do the same.
- Outside of what i already stated about the requirements and limits of flying a titan. What other things must i be perpared for if i choose this path? a year's worth of training and 1 bil will put you in a dread/carrier. That's your goal. Titan is a 3 year goal.
[b]- What kind of support am i to expect from a 0.0 corp? Sure i can save billions of isks over time, but can i expect a corp some material or financial support to build the ship? Most corps have a cap replacement/building program. Ask around on your corp of choice.
- On the same note, what will the said corp expect from me? I don't know like... am i suppose to stay x hours online a day, will i get called on my cellphone at 4 AM to get my guns ready? Pretty much to play a lot, be completely trustworthy, etc.
- Last but not least. Is that goal achievable for a non-veterant in the first place? Provided that invest the time and effort in it. Are 0.0 based corporations still looking for new dread/titan pilots at all? No, supercaps are well beyond your reach. Carrier is in your reach in ~6 months. Or buy an alt for ~10b.
Carrier should be your first goal tho. |
Soma Khan
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:26:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:but losing a titan deals a blow to your alliance credibility in the political scenario of the game. . Don't know man, DRF loses titans often and it's just replaced via bot isk the next hour. the trick is to actually replace them, as opposed to rmt'ing all your bot income like the nc always did |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
120
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:30:00 -
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Soma Khan wrote:Messoroz wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:but losing a titan deals a blow to your alliance credibility in the political scenario of the game. . Don't know man, DRF loses titans often and it's just replaced via bot isk the next hour. the trick is to actually replace them, as opposed to rmt'ing all your bot income like the nc always did
Well if the NC wasnt doing that, then how would the DRF get their titans?
ouch... Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Djakku
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
5
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:36:00 -
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ITT:
People who don't believe in themselves.
Solodread is BEST dread.
These ships are a realistic goal for any player in EVE, just so long as you either have your own ISK to fund them, or a corporation or alliance to support you. |
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Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:11:00 -
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Fly a freighter around in hi-sec to get a feel for how massively slow a cap ship is.
Your stuff goes here. |
Soma Khan
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:57:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Soma Khan wrote:Messoroz wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:but losing a titan deals a blow to your alliance credibility in the political scenario of the game. . Don't know man, DRF loses titans often and it's just replaced via bot isk the next hour. the trick is to actually replace them, as opposed to rmt'ing all your bot income like the nc always did Well if the NC wasnt doing that, then how would the DRF get their titans? ouch... drf had always built their supercaps from drone alloys that come from the drone regions. hence the name drf. everyone knows that. except your it seems |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1715
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Posted - 2011.10.12 18:53:00 -
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The NC sold its supercaps to PL, RaidenDOT, ncDOT, and other non-DRF enemies. |
Natil Benethid
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.12 19:31:00 -
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Palovana wrote:Fly a freighter around in hi-sec to get a feel for how massively slow a cap ship is.
I already fly an obelisk on my Industrial pilot second account. Yep, it is slow and i am ok with that. I don't like freighters because you can't use modules, rather than because they are big cows.
To get back on topic, since dreads and titans seem to be difficult option, i would like more feedback on carriers and their use in a small corporation.
Can a carriers survive long enough to be worth flying without the protection of a POS bubble? I doubt it does, but since carriers are a common sight in lowsec i guess there is something about them i don't get yet. |
A Lunchbox
Basgerin Pirate
1
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Posted - 2011.10.14 03:11:00 -
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Natil Benethid wrote:[quote=Palovana] i would like more feedback on carriers and their use in a small corporation.
Can a carriers survive long enough to be worth flying without the protection of a POS bubble? I doubt it does, but since carriers are a common sight in lowsec i guess there is something about them i don't get yet.
Carriers probably have THE best use out of most caps for small corps in lowsec... they're suitcases. Get enough of them together and you can cyno a moderately sized army of pre-fitted ships anywhere you need them without an amazing amount of effort. If you don't move around alot, they still make great rep whores. And no, you don't need a pos to take care of carriers as they can dock (unless you're setting up shop in a system with no stations). If that's not enough, go run some L5's in it and make stupid amounts of isk (relatively speaking - we are discussing a small corporation here). |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.10.14 03:45:00 -
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To the OP: Having 3 carrier alts myself, i feel as though i can add something meaningful here...
- Yes. It is entirely possible as well as reasonable (and normal) to gun straight for a capital. While getting the experience first is good, it is quite reasonable for you to gain that experience yourself.
- Being in a good corp is paramount. Nothing is more important than a good corp. You be good to them, and they will be good to you. And when i say good, i mean you be good to them by helping whenever you can... light cynos, salvage for corpies, help out in PVP etc. A rich corp will give you the skillbooks you need to get you into a cap.
- Forget gun caps. Dreads are a lot of fun but their niche is tiny. You just don't fly them in anger much at all. Same goes for titans although they are quite a bit more useful. A titan will be your coffin as getting out of it leaves it open to anyone else who wants to get in it. Carriers on the other hand are the most versatile ships in EVE. Cheap for a cap, easy as anything to replace. If you want to get into an Archon/Nid/Thanatos/Chimera, then your corp would be far more willing to help you early on to get you into one.
- For example, a corp i know allows some people in, and if they have been around for long enough for us to know they are trustworthy, then they will give them cap skillbooks. If the person buys their own carrier BPC kit, then the corp will build it for them for free, and throw in all the fittings and drones they need to use it for PVP or PVE.
So if you want to get into a carrier, look for a good corp (in the recruiting section here) and apply to it. [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img] |
Natil Benethid
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.14 06:36:00 -
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Palovana wrote:
Carriers probably have THE best use out of most caps for small corps in lowsec... they're suitcases. Get enough of them together and you can cyno a moderately sized army of pre-fitted ships anywhere you need them without an amazing amount of effort. If you don't move around alot, they still make great rep whores. And no, you don't need a pos to take care of carriers as they can dock (unless you're setting up shop in a system with no stations). If that's not enough, go run some L5's in it and make stupid amounts of isk (relatively speaking - we are discussing a small corporation here).
Ok that is good to know. Thanks.
Headerman wrote: - Being in a good corp is paramount. Nothing is more important than a good corp. You be good to them, and they will be good to you. And when i say good, i mean you be good to them by helping whenever you can... light cynos, salvage for corpies, help out in PVP etc. A rich corp will give you the skillbooks you need to get you into a cap.
I am in a good corp to the extend that they will help me out and we really are all about team work. We arn't poor either (and that goes for myself). Our only issue is numbers. If i was going to go for a titan i don't think our forces would be enough to stop a large blob fleet to blow it up. Same goes for a POS in lowsec to protect the titan, we wouldn't have the fire power to protect it long enough.
A carrier or dread should be better qs you said since at the very least i can dock them to safety and take them out when enough of our alliance can escort it.
I do have a question about the dread though. I know there was a time when dreads could take out BC's and BS's. Than the tracking got nerfed to the ground. Still. Isn't really impossible for a dread to hit a target as large as a battle ship nowadays? Are other caps and POS's the only possible targets for it? It's a shame that they are so limited, if at least they could take a few BS's i would think about training for one, but if not than i really don't the point. |
Uppsy Daisy
Deteis Industries
5
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Posted - 2011.10.14 08:48:00 -
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Quote: Isn't really impossible for a dread to hit a target as large as a battle ship nowadays? Are other caps and POS's the only possible targets for it?
Yes and Yes.
The only way a dread will hit a battleship is if it is being boosted with tracking links. And you can't boost a sieged dread.
Also they are removing all the drones from dreads.
So yes. POS and Caps are the only targets.
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Mart Allini
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
6
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Posted - 2011.10.14 15:07:00 -
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Uppsy Daisy wrote:Quote: Isn't really impossible for a dread to hit a target as large as a battle ship nowadays? Are other caps and POS's the only possible targets for it? Yes and Yes. The only way a dread will hit a battleship is if it is being boosted with tracking links. And you can't boost a sieged dread. Also they are removing all the drones from dreads. So yes. POS and Caps are the only targets.
Oh, I don't know. I reckon a sieged dread could hit a battleship that was target painted and tackled if it had a bit of range on it. I would still not recommend one for fighting subcaps though. |
AureoLion
Etoilles Mortant Ltd. Solyaris Chtonium
10
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Posted - 2011.10.14 15:09:00 -
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proven it's not orbiting at close, a battleship will actually get quite owned by a dreadnought. With a 90% web, it's gonna get hit fully even at 5km, and that means volleys in the order of 40k. With a pair of painters, 50-80% of volley at 20+ km is more than feasible, too. It's just that.. siege is baaaad. For around 1b, you can have a moros tank 6k (siege'd), while having 2m ehp and 6k dps. Too bad that you'll get it dropped and DD's the second you try to use it in a battleship engagement. |
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Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
26
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Posted - 2011.10.15 07:42:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:The NC sold its supercaps to PL, RaidenDOT, ncDOT, and other non-DRF enemies.
Some went to WN of all people. Nothing quite like being doomsdayed by a titan built by your own alliance. |
Sassaniak
Rayvek Laboratories
6
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Posted - 2011.10.15 20:34:00 -
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Dreads can be used by small alliances to great effect, actually much better effect then larger alliances who will just drop supercarriers, ( i still feel stupid saying "supercarrier" when we all know it should be "moms") as a small alliance trying to get someone else out of their space will have to go for the pos's and usually wont have that many moms on hand.
titans, (as an ex-RAGE person, i agree with Mfume Apocal, there is nothing like seeing a titan your alliance made used against you) are very limited in use for a small alliance good for a few things they probably wont be used that much simply because you cant afford to replace them.
Carriers are the backbone of an alliance big or small. they are used to evac your stuff, resupply/attack/defend pos's, bring stuff to markets and of course rat. had i a carrier at the time, i wouldn't have left stuff in rage space now owned by pl and goons.
a dread would not have been nearly as useful but they would have been when i got back to the space i was living in before i joined Rage. several people had moved into the space i wanted to be in and a dread would have expedited their leaving. in several different instances.
but i generally dont have any use for a dread so i still havent built one. a carrier on the other hand is pretty useful in all non hisec applications.
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Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
35
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Posted - 2011.10.16 11:00:00 -
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Well, you have some answers on if you can / should use them so I'll just chirp in with this:
Supers are tough to get into. You're not going to find many who'll be willing to hand out a 20-70 billion isk hull to a pilot and say "ok - have fun!". They want folks with some experience in capital class ships so plan on spending some time in capitals first.
Get on SiSi and try them out a bit. Bounce around some systems to get a feel for how to get to stations and the like. Docking with capitals is quite doable - figuring out the ranges a cyno should be and how to get docked quickly... That can take some time - usually just after you've failed to dock and bounce half way across the system then get to align and warp in on it.
Bouncing kind of sucks. Recovering from it can be educational and moving around via cyno is kind of important to learn and SiSi is a cheap place to do it with fair safety.
Check out the damage and abilities of the ships there - primarily on NPC's until you get a feel for it, then see about other players. |
Natil Benethid
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.16 16:44:00 -
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Alright,
thank you all for all those replies. Very instructive. I gonna go for carrier and train on sisi first untill i get the hang of it and use it on tranquility.
I gonna see with my alliance if a dread would be worth trying out. Our ennemies have a lot of carriers so a dread might be usefull, you never know.
Thanks again for the feedback. |
Ruah Piskonit
PIE Inc.
9
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Posted - 2011.10.17 02:30:00 -
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dread yes - even if you have no use for it. titan - no, they cost a fortune, and take too long to train up for you. . . you will pass 65 mil sp before you start to see how long it will take. |
Relnala
Event.Horizon Flatline.
10
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Posted - 2011.10.17 03:47:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Soma Khan wrote:Messoroz wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:but losing a titan deals a blow to your alliance credibility in the political scenario of the game. . Don't know man, DRF loses titans often and it's just replaced via bot isk the next hour. the trick is to actually replace them, as opposed to rmt'ing all your bot income like the nc always did Well if the NC wasnt doing that, then how would the DRF get their titans? ouch... Let me get this straight. The DRF both buys and sells rmt isk.. Seems likely |
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