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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:28:00 -
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We all love to play EVE, but to play EVE, every one of us must first install EVE. And we all like that part of the process to be as convenient and hassle free as possible.
In his new dev blog, CCP Cascade tells us about the work that has been done on this front lately.
Please leave your feedback right here as always. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Hiram Alexander
Capital Enrichment Services
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:29:00 -
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Sounds great. I hope it works well, though... I've had many problems with the Sisi patcher recently... :( |
Josefius
Caldari Elite Force Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:38:00 -
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Awesome, a more logical patcher! |
David Magnus
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:38:00 -
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Sounds like a great update that will make our lives easier.
Thanks for the hard work! |
Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:42:00 -
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thanks,,,ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:57:00 -
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saw dev blog on facebook, hoped it was FW stuff, it wasnt, but at least ccp isnt talking about $1000 jeans atm
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Xyfu
Love From Above
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:02:00 -
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DOES IT STILL ******* DOWNLOAD TO C:\, COMPLETELY IGNORING DISK SPACE REQUIREMENTS AND LOGIC?
**** that aspect of every single patcher/installer so far. My C:\ drive is 11GiB in size, and has 200MiB free. My \temp is on X. My %appdata% is on D:\.
On that note, why can't I move the ******* cache? I can only log in on one account at a time due to disk space requirements on C:\. Pain in the ****. |
TheLostPenguin
Surreal Departure
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:04:00 -
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Nice to see the new patcher rolling over to tq use, last couple of times I've patched sisi it's been nice to see it d/l such relatively small amounts of data compared to some huge patches in the past, even when patching what I thought was a badly out of date client, should certainly help those with evil ISPs and harsh d/l limits by cutting out spurious duplication of files |
Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:04:00 -
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YO SON I HEARDS YOU LIKE TO PATCH SOS I GOTS YOU A PATCH FOR YOUR PATCH SOS YOU CAN PATCH YOUR PATCH WHILE YOU PATCH
Seriously, nice work trying to streamline the mess. |
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:05:00 -
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The generic patcher is only for TQ, correct? Test patches still handled by SisiLauncher for Sisi/Dudu? Your stuff goes here. |
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Sable Drakon
Sephray Industries Serenitas Solutus
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:08:00 -
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Nice to know about the new patcher. Though this 'new' installer is old news. I ran this a few months back when I was just getting back into the game after an extended break. |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:09:00 -
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So is there any ETA when "this is launcher it is the greatest" roll out from your forges? |
ArchenTheGreat
Pulsar Nebulah Army of Lovers.
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:09:00 -
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Can you make it to use BitTorrent? It will download much faster for people who are not close to your CDN. BT is perfect tool for patches. |
Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:13:00 -
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so the sisi launcher became official for TQ also ? ^^ well for sure it's easier this way :) |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:17:00 -
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I think the answer to my question is "no", but just in case..
Does any of this effect Mac users? CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:28:00 -
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Now only if they made it easier to launch under sisi or dauality envrionments. |
Cedric deBouilard
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:32:00 -
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correct me if i'm wrong, isn't generic patcher basically the same thing as repair tool / sisi launcher
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CCP Atropos
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:34:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:I think the answer to my question is "no", but just in case..
Does any of this effect Mac users? There is a Generic Patch for the Mac, so yes, however there is no 4GB single file, size limit on HFS+ so there's no requirement for a multiple payload installer for the Mac. Software Engineer, Core Infrastructure |
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Aerieth
J0urneys End Journeys End Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:44:00 -
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Is there a way to patch the payloads? I carry the game files on a USB stick because I tend to install everywhere I go.
I would love to be able to update the payloads instead of having to patch every client since the intial download. |
Mekia Buelle
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.12 17:53:00 -
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Wish there was an option to select where you want to download the content and where you want to install the game not just dump everything on C:\ cos in some cases people might have less then 4GB and wont be able to download the game at all. |
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Dennie Fleetfoot
EVE University Ivy League
10
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Posted - 2011.10.12 18:05:00 -
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You see CCP? This sort of under the hood but beneficial fixing of problems is what we want before you start selling us bling. The last few dev blogs have been very promising in terms of what Hilmars letter of contrition a few days ago said was coming. I'm actually beginning to believe that there is a real change in priorities up there in Iceland. Keep it up. |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2011.10.12 18:10:00 -
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Xyfu wrote:DOES IT STILL ******* DOWNLOAD TO C:\, COMPLETELY IGNORING DISK SPACE REQUIREMENTS AND LOGIC?
**** that aspect of every single patcher/installer so far. My C:\ drive is 11GiB in size, and has 200MiB free. My \temp is on X. My %appdata% is on D:\.
On that note, why can't I move the ******* cache? I can only log in on one account at a time due to disk space requirements on C:\. Pain in the ****.
A workaround to this problem is to using "Junction Points" or "Symbolic Links" to re-route a folder on the C: drive to a filesystem on another partition or disk.
This effectively "tricks" the installer into using a different drive. A nasty side effect to this is that if a program calculates disk space, it will calculate disk space for the wrong disk (programs presume that a folder on the C: drive is restricted by the amount of space left on the C: drive. Symbolic Links/Junction Points break the integrity of this assumption) |
Blue Harrier
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Posted - 2011.10.12 18:15:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:So is there any ETA when "this is launcher it is the greatest" roll out from your forges? Also my feedback for installer:user should be able to choose the location for downloaded files (other than default C:\ProgramData\CCP\EVE\downloads) Many times new players complain because they do not have enough space on system drive, and the only option they have is to redownload the whole fallback installer. I would put this as a priority, having a default but selectable download location is mandatory for this game now.
Some of us like to have a small (or even FAT32) C: drive just in case a virus or Microsoft update causes a major problem with the operating system, it is then easy to wipe and re-install without loosing all our work etc.
My download manager always has a default to a selectable location and will ask and check if you would like to change this before a download commences, please put this in soonest.
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.10.12 18:32:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:A workaround to this problem is to using "Junction Points" or "Symbolic Links" to re-route a folder on the C: drive to a filesystem on another partition or disk. Can yo scratch your ears with your legs? Why would newbie (and most important new customer, sometimes total dummy in PC internal stuff) do such horrible exotic thing as "junction point"? Don't you think it's easier for developer to put standard form field in the installer window? Or even better, installer can check free space on system drive first and then prompt new download folder if there is not enough space left. Basic stuff |
serine twilight
Hobgoblin Marketeers
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Posted - 2011.10.12 18:45:00 -
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I would like to see a md5/SHA-1 for the offline exe installer/7z dumps, also if you want, a torrent would be even better. you could use 2 very legal and free open source trackers:
udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80/announce
udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80/announce
with superseeding ensuring that everyone could download Eve online.
I don't know about everyone else, but i would seed forever. |
steave435
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.10.12 19:15:00 -
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Nice :) I'm assuming that when the actual install starts, the installer first installs one of the payloads, followed by the second one? If so, would this make it possible to enable you to start installing the first payload while the second one is still downloading? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.12 19:25:00 -
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Should be interesting to see where this goes.
/c
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Crasniya
Dragon's Legion of New Eden
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Posted - 2011.10.12 19:52:00 -
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Xyfu wrote:DOES IT STILL ******* DOWNLOAD TO C:\, COMPLETELY IGNORING DISK SPACE REQUIREMENTS AND LOGIC?
**** that aspect of every single patcher/installer so far. My C:\ drive is 11GiB in size, and has 200MiB free. My \temp is on X. My %appdata% is on D:\.
On that note, why can't I move the ******* cache? I can only log in on one account at a time due to disk space requirements on C:\. Pain in the ****.
... The only possible explanation I have for this, is that you, or whoever set up your machine, partitioned your hard drive like an idiot. No C:\ drive where Windows XP or newer is installed should be less than 20 GB. When Windows XP came out, 20 GB hard drives weren't even available, so really you should have a C:\ drive of 60 GB or more. My C:\ drive is 2 TB, but that's how I roll.
Unfortunately, CCP can't save you from yourself. |
mkint
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Posted - 2011.10.12 20:59:00 -
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My concern isn't so much how things get patched and downloaded (i've never had a problem before except with sisi, and sisilauncher.exe made that much better.) I'm more concerned with WHY exactly the download is 4.5 gigs? Wasn't the download something like 200 megs a few short years ago? Looks like a lot of bloat to me. I would be interested in seeing a graph of the download size since launch (maybe overlayed with a graph of the installed+cache size.) Maybe also overlay that with a graph of standard $ cost of disk space over the same time period, and the cost of internet bandwidth. Would also be interesting to mark the graph with major expansions and patches (let the players come to a conclusion for themselves if the bloat has been worth it.) |
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CCP Atropos
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.12 21:43:00 -
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mkint wrote:My concern isn't so much how things get patched and downloaded (i've never had a problem before except with sisi, and sisilauncher.exe made that much better.) I'm more concerned with WHY exactly the download is 4.5 gigs? Wasn't the download something like 200 megs a few short years ago? Looks like a lot of bloat to me. I would be interested in seeing a graph of the download size since launch (maybe overlayed with a graph of the installed+cache size.) Maybe also overlay that with a graph of standard $ cost of disk space over the same time period, and the cost of internet bandwidth. Would also be interesting to mark the graph with major expansions and patches (let the players come to a conclusion for themselves if the bloat has been worth it.)
4.5GB is the compressed size, it's roughly twice that on disk. You can see for yourself by navigating to you EVE install. Most of it is art assets, with a few hundred megabytes for audio and video. The actual code and binary part of the game is ~100MB. The unpacked size of the client is about average for a lot of the high level visual fidelity MMO's; as an example here are some comparable metrics, taken from the relevant "minimum system requirements" pages on the providers webpages:
- World of Warcraft: 25GB
- Lord of the Rings Online: 7GB
- Rift: 8GB
There are of course others to which this doesn't apply, such as League of Legends, who have a 750MB requirement, but I hope you would agree that the visuals are vastly different in both games and so you can't really compare the fidelity of them and space requirements.
It's just the cost that comes from continued improvement. I've no doubt the installer size will increase as time goes forward, sorry! Software Engineer, Core Infrastructure |
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