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Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
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Posted - 2013.02.19 03:40:00 -
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Sometimes it is good to remember and be reminded of what we have in common, what we agree on and what unites us with our brethren and even with those not of our Faith. As such Capsuleer House Murder is calling for public support from any and all capsuleers. Amarrian Faithful practice their Faith outside the borders of the greater Amarrian Empire.
They are Caldari, Gallante, Minmatar and Ammatar. They are of Amarrian lineages. They work just us their neigbours do and participate in their areas politics and social life just like all others. However their Faith may set them apart, they work hard to honour and follow the laws of the soveregnity they call home. In light of this and in support of these courageous individuals I feel we need to recognize their work for God. Even sometimes in conditions hostile to them.
It is said most Minmatar just wish to be left alone to their lives, on this initiave I will take these people at their word and invite them to participate in the defence of their Minmatar Republic given right to freedom of religion. Sadly not all of Tribal heritage feel this way as we occationally hear. There are agitators and those who would visit violence upon men based on their Faith alone.
It saddens me to find that large part of those who have immigrated from Empire to the Republic face prejudism and attacks upon themselves up to and including physical threats and acts of violence. Even futher many of those who have traveled to the Republic are ill equipped to deal with these threats in a fashion that is culturally and lawfully correct within the Republic.
Many of these Faithful have left behind planets where the need for a commoner to carry weapons for self-defence is unheard of. Most of these immigrants to the Republic have never fired a weapon or even had the need to raise their arms in defence on their depurture from the Greater Amarr.
I would help these people to defend their lawful right to practice their religion within the Minmatar Republic. I would see them prepared to defend themselves from aggression be that from a shoolyard bully or pirate on an illegal slave raid within the Republic. The Minmatar Republic offers them the right to this, God calls them to exercise those rights responcibly.
(Capsuleers with TL/DR symptoms start reading here.)
I am calling for donations of small arms and isk to pay for small arms and to go towards paying trainers of Faith to these brethren of our how to defend themselves against all agression responcibly and lawfully. Armed and unarmed. These arms and some of the trainers will be delivered in a convoy Flight to the Republic on the first Sunday of next month (03.03.2013). Intended departure time from within Throne worlds is at midnight of Intergalactic standard. Changes in schedule are at this time possible.
House Murder. Sadly I know will have to request all capsuleers to leave all other discussion from this thread so that that which is meant as a charity does not get tarnished by petty squabling. On Public Relations matters feel free to ask me. |
Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
243
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Posted - 2013.02.19 03:47:00 -
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I support this effort. I will pledge fifty million ISK to your cause. I expect, however, to see receipts. Staff Writer: themittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Thgil Goldcore
Advenus Classem Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
538
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Posted - 2013.02.19 05:24:00 -
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I have just finished a transaction of 50 elite laser pistols to Mr. Crow.
Good luck with your program. |
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
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Posted - 2013.02.19 05:30:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote:I have just finished a transaction of 50 elite laser pistols to Mr. Crow.
Good luck with your program.
My thanks for donation of the 50 pistols. |
Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
243
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Posted - 2013.02.19 05:38:00 -
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The ISK has been sent. I would suggest that it be used to buy projectile weapons, as the ammunition for such arms is more likely to be available in the Republic than laser crystals. Staff Writer: themittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
54
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Posted - 2013.02.19 05:57:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:The ISK has been sent. I would suggest that it be used to buy projectile weapons, as the ammunition for such arms is more likely to be available in the Republic than laser crystals.
I have received your donation of Fifty million isk. This will be used for small arms. Laser crystals last a long time compared to projectile weapons ms. Vea. But I suspect we will have a variation of weaponry to deliver. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
416
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Posted - 2013.02.19 19:39:00 -
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With all due respect, are you sure that distributing weapons will not actually favor a lethal escalation ? |
Natalcya Katla
Naqam Shaktipat Revelators
92
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Posted - 2013.02.19 20:08:00 -
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Speaking of responsibility and lawfulness, Captain Crow, how do you intend to ferry a cargo of small arms through Amarrian space legally? |
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
54
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Posted - 2013.02.19 21:21:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:With all due respect, are you sure that distributing weapons will not actually favor a lethal escalation ?
That is why those will not be simply distributed. They will come with training and hand-to-hand training. Now, if those who would seek harm to our brethren decide to escalate their agrression because of this. It is to our brethren to act in self-defence and accordingly. I stress that self-defence scales to the aggression that is defended against.
If instead of stopping the aggression some choose to increase it to leathal leavels because they know of our brethrens increased capacity to self-defence? Submitting to violence because someone might use more severe forms of violence if our brethren defend themselves? No. That road leads to submission to those with no respect for even their own laws. What was the Gallanrean saying? "a Right unused is a right lost."
As for a Nation loyalist question into legal side of the matter. There are several options to transport these supplies, including but not limited to pilots willing to accept the punishment due to the crime committed, for the good of our brethren. The excact specifics, are my concern and fall under operational security. As minor as such in an open charity Flight can admittedly be. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
417
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Posted - 2013.02.19 22:28:00 -
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What you are essentially telling is that these people need weapons for their safety because the proper Republic authorities do not provide that safety for them, am I right ? |
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Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
54
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Posted - 2013.02.19 23:28:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:What you are essentially telling is that these people need weapons for their safety because the proper Republic authorities do not provide that safety for them, am I right ?
Do not provide similar safety as many of them may be used to in the Greater Amarr, yes. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
50
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Posted - 2013.02.19 23:30:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:What you are essentially telling is that these people need weapons for their safety because the proper Republic authorities do not provide that safety for them, am I right ?
Correct.
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Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2013.02.20 02:30:00 -
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I recently hucked my Hulk because I'm never in the silly thing. Furthermore, you're cause is just and your blood is pure. Consequently, I have sent you forty million ISK (so as not to engage in an unseemly contest of one upsmanship that I cannot possibly win). That said, should you at some point start an effort to recruit disaffected, unemployed feral young Sebiestor hooligans to fight with new purpose, I should gladly contribute another forty million for their... rehabilitation.
Best wishes! |
Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
54
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Posted - 2013.02.20 03:02:00 -
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I have received 40million Isk from one, Gosakumori Noh. My thanks for the donation.
House Murder does not, at this time, hold slaves. I am certain there are plenty of holders willing to find a place for these young Sebiestor you mention. |
Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2013.02.20 03:12:00 -
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Mensha Khael Crow wrote:House Murder does not, at this time, hold slaves. I am certain there are plenty of holders willing to find a place for these young Sebiestor you mention.
No, no. Not slaves. I'm well stocked in feral young Sebiestor lads. Rather, boots on the ground. I had interpreted your effort as primarily directed at Nefantar who have come under attack from the Murientor, inter alia. Opening an "unexpected" flank with other Tribes within the "unified" Republic may give an oppressed minority the breathing room it needs to get on its feet.
To the extent that you already intend to equip and train a diverse force, of course, disregard my dissembling. |
Lucius Vindictus
Samarkand Financial
92
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Posted - 2013.02.20 03:25:00 -
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Not that I doubt your good intentions. But I don't believe this project is in the best interest of our faithful brothers and sisters abroad. If it were to become known that they hide arsenals in their communities out of distrust towards their neighbors that would almost certainly work against them. And that is in the unlikely event that this would be simply allowed to happen without a fight. Especially where they are in the minority it would seem unwise to undermine their religious work by creating an atmosphere of fear and distrust. You could very well end up destroying centuries of careful missionary work.
Think of Abel Jarek, the martyr of Tronhadar Valley. Would he have carried, let alone have used a gun if you had given him one?
He did not fight, but had more courage than the greatest of warriors. His sacrifice ensured that his people persevered, and his townships survive to this day while the wrong decision could have seen them raised to ashes instead.
Lets not decide for our brothers and sisters what is best for them. Conversion is a slow process, but one that is tried and tested over millennia. And what are we Amarr if not patient? |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
449
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Posted - 2013.02.20 05:47:00 -
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Your arming of the "Matari faithful" could be viewed as supporting an insurrectionist minority determined to overthrow the government through force of arms. As another has pointed out this provocative act will escalate, trust me on this. People practicing your faith within the Republic are already viewed with suspicion just think how much worse it will be when they're receiving arms and combat training from an imperial loyalist corporation.
As a practical matter; how much screaming would there be from Imperial loyalists if a Matari organization announced a program to arm slaves in the heart of the Empire?
Rethink this Crow. It will not end well I guarantee you. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
244
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:17:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Your arming of the "Matari faithful" could be viewed as supporting an insurrectionist minority determined to overthrow the government through force of arms. As another has pointed out this provocative act will escalate, trust me on this. People practicing your faith within the Republic are already viewed with suspicion just think how much worse it will be when they're receiving arms and combat training from an imperial loyalist corporation.
As a practical matter; how much screaming would there be from Imperial loyalists if a Matari organization announced a program to arm slaves in the heart of the Empire?
Rethink this Crow. It will not end well I guarantee you.
Since slaves in the Empire have no rights, that would be a breech of local laws. However, from my experience there are no laws prohibiting Republic citizens from owning weapons. Please correct me if I am wrong. Staff Writer: themittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1193
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:21:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Please correct me if I am wrong.
You spelled 'breach' wrong. |
Valdezi
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
80
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:25:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:Please correct me if I am wrong. You spelled 'breach' wrong.
Zing.
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Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
244
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:36:00 -
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I blame faulty text to speech software. I'll correct it. You can go back to being ineffective at pretty much everything. Staff Writer: themittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1193
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Posted - 2013.02.20 08:39:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote: Please correct me if I am wrong.
Alizabeth Vea wrote:I can go back to being ineffective at pretty much everything.
Corrected again! |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
450
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Posted - 2013.02.20 17:11:00 -
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Nice of you to focus on one tiny detail and miss the overall message, Pilot Vea. If Crow chooses to move forward with this enterprise it will only result in bloodshed. I know that I wouldn't feel very safe if my neighbors, already "converted" to the Amarrian religion and culture, were suddenly also armed and trained by Imperials and I'd have to contemplate how to proactively deal with the new threat. I'd probably just choose to be hyper-vigilant. Others might decide that such a threat on their doorstep to be intolerable and take preemptive action to neutralize it. Neither of these scenarios are conducive to peaceful relations. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
959
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Posted - 2013.02.21 08:04:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Nice of you to focus on one tiny detail and miss the overall message, Pilot Vea. If Crow chooses to move forward with this enterprise it will only result in bloodshed.
True, but there has already been bloodshed and it's not going to stop anytime soon. If we arm the Faithful then we give the Republic the excuse they're looking for to march them all off into the desert for "orderly disposal." If we don't arm them then we've only bought them some time until they can concoct a different excuse to "purge those of unclean bloodlines from the purity of the Six Tribes." Which they will do, eventually - it's only a question of time.
So with one option... you may buy them some time spent living in fear & terror before they are eventually massacred. With the other option they may get a chance to take out a few of their murderers before the end. EvE Forum Bingo |
Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
244
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Posted - 2013.02.21 09:28:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Nice of you to focus on one tiny detail and miss the overall message, Pilot Vea. If Crow chooses to move forward with this enterprise it will only result in bloodshed. I know that I wouldn't feel very safe if my neighbors, already "converted" to the Amarrian religion and culture, were suddenly also armed and trained by Imperials and I'd have to contemplate how to proactively deal with the new threat. I'd probably just choose to be hyper-vigilant. Others might decide that such a threat on their doorstep to be intolerable and take preemptive action to neutralize it. Neither of these scenarios are conducive to peaceful relations.
The law is not a tiny detail. I know several instances off hand wherein Caldari Corps gained, or lost, millions due to a misplaced comma, or an 'and' in place of an 'or.' If you want to live in a free society, then you accept everything that comes with it. Or, pass a law that restricts the right of anyone with an Amarrian faith and prove yourselves to be no different from them. Staff Writer: themittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
3277
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Posted - 2013.02.21 09:46:00 -
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I believe someone once said, Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. I support your initiative and will make contributions to it when I am able.
Torn from grace, gotta find your faith or the devils gonna claim your soul
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
456
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:34:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote: True, but there has already been bloodshed and it's not going to stop anytime soon. If we arm the Faithful then we give the Republic the excuse they're looking for to march them all off into the desert for "orderly disposal." If we don't arm them then we've only bought them some time until they can concoct a different excuse to "purge those of unclean bloodlines from the purity of the Six Tribes." Which they will do, eventually - it's only a question of time.
So with one option... you may buy them some time spent living in fear & terror before they are eventually massacred. With the other option they may get a chance to take out a few of their murderers before the end.
I think you're confusing the Republic for somewhere else, pilot. We Matari have never set ourselves up as the "chosen" of mankind or the arbiters of all morality. We've never glassed a planet from orbit in order to prove a point. We've never invaded peaceful planets and enslaved billions of people. We've never rounded up entire groups and marched them off to be murdered because of their beliefs or ethnicity.
Just because you had a bad experience in the Republic (unlike the billions who freely live here or emigrate here) doesn't make the Republic the evil thing you rail against constantly. Your judgements have been emotionally compromised by hatred. In that you're no better than those "bigots and racists" you complain about ad nauseum. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Natalcya Katla
Naqam Shaktipat Revelators
94
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:57:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:I think you're confusing the Republic for somewhere else, pilot. We Matari have never set ourselves up as the "chosen" of mankind or the arbiters of all morality. We've never glassed a planet from orbit in order to prove a point. We've never invaded peaceful planets and enslaved billions of people. We've never rounded up entire groups and marched them off to be murdered because of their beliefs or ethnicity. Such short memories you Central Empires have. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1485
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Posted - 2013.02.21 18:30:00 -
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Natalcya Katla wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:I think you're confusing the Republic for somewhere else, pilot. We Matari have never set ourselves up as the "chosen" of mankind or the arbiters of all morality. We've never glassed a planet from orbit in order to prove a point. We've never invaded peaceful planets and enslaved billions of people. We've never rounded up entire groups and marched them off to be murdered because of their beliefs or ethnicity. Such short memories you Central Empires have.
To be fair, Natalcya, they never expected us to retain things within living memory. |
Tabor Murn
Gradient Electus Matari
14
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Posted - 2013.02.21 18:36:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:
So with one option... you may buy them some time spent living in fear & terror before they are eventually massacred. .
If it is true that such people live in fear & terror in Republic space, they enjoy the freedom to leave. Can the fearful oppressed of the Empire claim the same?
Maybe instead of armaments, Mr. Crow should be distributing InterBus fare. |
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