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Cazador 64
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Posted - 2013.02.19 07:50:00 -
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So I wanted to pick up on a Subject about nerfs that are coming primarily to the drake. CCP tends to nerf more then buff due to what they like to call "the power creep"
But over nerfing can be just as detrimental as the power creep. CCP is yet again nerfing Caldari in the upcoming changes to the drake. Nerfing the dmg and the tank it was just a few months ago that ccp nerfed the HML system that in it self was an indirect nerf to the Drake at the time of the nerf the Drake was sitting at number 1 or 2 and HML was sitting at one or two on eve kills tops 20.
After the HML nerf drake stayed low on the top 20 for a few weeks then made a small come back and trends in the top 20. with the cane and med auto cannons trending higher on the boards. http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 The reason I say that nerfs can be as bad as ccps "power creep" is that if you keep pushing something lower and lower by the way of nerfs they something else will out shine it. After this change I will bet that you will see a larger gap between the cane auto cannons and the drake and HML on the top 20.
So what happens then? CCP will not buff because of said creep so are they to nerf the next FOTM ? doesn't this just create a reverse power creep? Judging on numbers alone you can not argue that the cane / autocannons are seeing much higher use rates post HML nerf what happens after the drake nerf? That gap will widen .
While some posters will write threads in a fit of rage I can say that I understand the "rage" i guess. Now I am not even a drake pilot I own some drakes I am trained down missiles but due to CCPs unwillingness to see the imbalance between missiles and guns and winmatarr and caldari you have people posting that they are wanting to quit. I am on the verge of either paying my account for a full year or letting the time run out on it.
If CCP continues down this warmachine of nerfs instead of finding a creative way to buff or give something back to us players I may just let my account time run out. Now you can sit here and say what ever you like but numbers do not lie if the drake was so "OP" it would still be in the top 2 not bottom 10. It floats right in the middle of the pact and to me that tells me it is somewhat balanced.
How long before CCP nerfs my ships ? This would not be an issue if it did not take months and months on end to recover from a nerf and cross train into other ships / systems. I almost feel as if the nerfs are more about keeping people active by forcing players to cross train then it is about balance. While some of you will stay and play because you are wither to afraid to leave or have no other game to play or what ever your reason for staying , that does not mean that other players will not quit over nerfs.
Yeah sure let them go you will say but IF i was CCP I would be thinking more about retention then a few nerfs to a ship because some people complain about them. No one is quitting over drakes being "OP" but CCP might lose some players if they do not rethink their balance policy's you can not just always take take take.
There has got to be other ways to Balance they throw around this power creep phrase way to much and stand behind it like some sort of shield like they have Brain washed you people into thinking that any buff would make the EVE servers crash and burn because everything in the entire game would have to become more and more powerful that is not the case. Or you can just simple leave stuff alone and stop making changes based on the needs of one group of people who have way to much say on stuff that happens in this game. I wish the day would come that a larger company would buy out EVE so we can avoid all these changes that are related to devs and gamers being to closely tied. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.19 07:52:00 -
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nah ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Dante Uisen
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:15:00 -
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what is drake?
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Gingerlord
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:15:00 -
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I lol'd!
CCP know what they're doing. The tiercide changes have created so much variation to fleet setups I am spoilt for choice when I ship up.
Just adapt, or die.
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Alice Saki
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:22:00 -
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HM Nerf did very little for the drake.
Kite a Wee bit closer. No Problem ;) I lack any Moral Fiber :D |
Cazador 64
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:23:00 -
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Gingerlord wrote: Just adapt, or die.
IE Cross train. Like I said before it just feels more like they are making changes more in the lines or forcing cross training to keep that bill rolling an other month then it is about balance.
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Cazador 64
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:25:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:HM Nerf did very little for the drake. Kite a Wee bit closer. No Problem ;) Also BlackOp's Buff
Then why did the HML go from first place to 10th ++ after HML nerf and Drake from 1-2 to 7++ spots? That seems like a rather large change to me. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:25:00 -
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Everything has its day in the sun and then that day passes.
Time to adapt and enjoy the new. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:25:00 -
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We're actually using AHACs again. This is not a bad thing. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Tippia
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:27:00 -
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Cazador 64 wrote:But over nerfing can be just as detrimental as the power creep. CCP is yet again nerfing Caldari in the upcoming changes to the drake. Nah. Power creep is much worse than over-nerfing for the simple reason that it the latter only means the one thing affected remains unbalanced, rather than making everything unbalanced in attempt to fix that one thing.
Also, GÇ£yet againGÇ¥? When did they do it the last time? Caldari got a huge buff with the missile changes, and aside from faction-wide changes to all ships in a given class, that was the last time (in a long while) that anything caldari-related was touched. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
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terzslave
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:29:00 -
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Just be like everyone else and train into a naga. |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:29:00 -
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Cazador 64 wrote:Alice Saki wrote:HM Nerf did very little for the drake. Kite a Wee bit closer. No Problem ;) Also BlackOp's Buff Then why did the HML go from first place to 10th ++ after HML nerf and Drake from 1-2 to 7++ spots? That seems like a rather large change to me.
Cause People suck and are Scared to try new things. It's that Simple. I lack any Moral Fiber :D |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:38:00 -
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terzslave wrote:Just be like everyone else and train into a naga. The Naga is an amazing ship. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:43:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote: Cause People suck and are Scared to try new things. It's that Simple.
It actually is. QFT.
Everyone I know that fly the Drake, and did before the "nerf" (which was actually a buff) whined like hell when changes were proposed, and they still fly the drake and say that it is still awesome. You still get up towards 100k EHP, which is a stupid amount of HP compared to all the other battlecruisers, and you still get great damage and projection. |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:44:00 -
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I perfer the NanoDrake over the Uber Tanked Drake. I lack any Moral Fiber :D |
Cazador 64
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:46:00 -
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I'm training tech 2 projectiles leaving Caldari behind. CCP loves those mimmy pilots I should be safe with projectiles for the foreseeable future. |
Caitlyn Tufy
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:48:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:I perfer the NanoDrake over the Uber Tanked Drake.
Then you'll absolutely adore the new Cyclone. |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:49:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote:Alice Saki wrote:I perfer the NanoDrake over the Uber Tanked Drake. Then you'll absolutely adore the new Cyclone.
Can't Wait. I plan on flying one tonight I lack any Moral Fiber :D |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:54:00 -
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New HAM cyclone is awesome! |
Tubrug1
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:58:00 -
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tl;dr the OP doesn't know what he's talking about. In need of another generic blog to follow? Try this one www.tubrug1.blogspot.com |
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Dante Uisen
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:58:00 -
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Hannott Thanos wrote:New HAM cyclone is awesome!
you should try a ham sandwich with mustard, it's even better. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.19 09:03:00 -
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Dante Uisen wrote:Hannott Thanos wrote:New HAM cyclone is awesome! you should try a ham sandwich with mustard, it's even better.
do you have a good recipe for ham stew ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Alice Saki
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Posted - 2013.02.19 09:04:00 -
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Thread Derailed By Ham. I lack any Moral Fiber :D |
Dante Uisen
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Posted - 2013.02.19 09:07:00 -
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Andski wrote:Dante Uisen wrote:Hannott Thanos wrote:New HAM cyclone is awesome! you should try a ham sandwich with mustard, it's even better. do you have a good recipe for ham stew
you should glazed ham |
Cazador 64
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Posted - 2013.02.19 09:14:00 -
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Stay on topic asking for any post non related or any post that is intended to flame or derail the post be removed or blocked from here on out. I made a post that can carry out a decent conversation and intend to keep it going. |
Alice Saki
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Posted - 2013.02.19 09:20:00 -
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Cazador 64 wrote: I made a post that can carry out a decent conversation
Hahahaha I lack any Moral Fiber :D |
Hannott Thanos
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Posted - 2013.02.19 09:24:00 -
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Cazador 64 wrote:Stay on topic asking for any post non related or any post that is intended to flame or derail the post be removed or blocked from here on out. I made a post that can carry out a decent conversation and intend to keep it going. You made one big mistake. You said that overnerfing is just as bad as power creep.
Lets say we nerf the Drake to uselessness. Then we have one battlecruiser that is useless, and the rest of the ships are useful. Lets then say you buff the Drake to oblivion. Now there are not one ship in the game worth flying over the Drake. No frig, no cruiser no battlecruiser. Only the Drake.
See the difference here. By overnerfing you risk only breaking one ship. With power creep you risk breaking all of the other ships. |
RAP ACTION HERO
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Posted - 2013.02.19 09:25:00 -
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i can hold your hand and tell you, it's going to be ok with some lube. vitoc erryday |
Lexmana
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Posted - 2013.02.19 09:43:00 -
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Cazador 64 wrote: I am on the verge of either paying my account for a full year or letting the time run out on it.
If CCP continues down this warmachine of nerfs instead of finding a creative way to buff or give something back to us players I may just let my account time run out.
Is that you trying to blackmail CCP over the Drake?
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Otrebla Utrigas
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:02:00 -
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I fly drakes, and it was ridiculous that a long range weapon system could outdamage a close range one. Seriously guys, stop comparing HML drakes with AC canes. That is why the HML was nerfed, and for a good reason.
Drakes are still awesome as close combat brawlers with HAM and uber shield tank.
And the rebalancing is doing quite a good thing to this game, because now all the ships are useful. 2 years ago this was Drake/rifter online. Now you can face ANYTHING, and fly ANYTHING, and still have fun / good fights. |
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