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Zap Zarrap
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.19 14:28:00 -
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Hey there,
i was wondering: Has any one ever used pure Frig- and Destroyer sized "Wolfpacks" and actually used the Ewar and Logi-Frigs while doing it ? I am actually talking the T1- Frigs and Detsroyers and maybe in combination witht he new Destroyers ....
How effective are they really ?
I wonder if a Fleet of lets say 3-5 Ewar Frigs with ecm and dampeners plus about 5 Logis (shield because its faster) and the rest (10 maybe ??) dps would even be remotley effective ....
of course choosing the righth kind fights would be of utmost importance , but I just wonder if anyone has ever tried that to any effect / success at all ?
thx for your input Zap |
Speedkermit Damo
Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
31
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Posted - 2013.02.19 14:53:00 -
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Zap Zarrap wrote:Hey there,
i was wondering: Has any one ever used pure Frig- and Destroyer sized "Wolfpacks" and actually used the Ewar and Logi-Frigs while doing it ? I am actually talking the T1- Frigs and Detsroyers and maybe in combination witht he new Destroyers ....
How effective are they really ?
I wonder if a Fleet of lets say 3-5 Ewar Frigs with ecm and dampeners plus about 5 Logis (shield because its faster) and the rest (10 maybe ??) dps would even be remotley effective ....
of course choosing the righth kind fights would be of utmost importance , but I just wonder if anyone has ever tried that to any effect / success at all ?
thx for your input Zap
I've been a a few frig roams, and we've kicked arse. You'll probably want more than 10 dps ships though. Don't Panic.
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Zap Zarrap
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.19 14:58:00 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:Zap Zarrap wrote:Hey there,
i was wondering: Has any one ever used pure Frig- and Destroyer sized "Wolfpacks" and actually used the Ewar and Logi-Frigs while doing it ? I am actually talking the T1- Frigs and Detsroyers and maybe in combination witht he new Destroyers ....
How effective are they really ?
I wonder if a Fleet of lets say 3-5 Ewar Frigs with ecm and dampeners plus about 5 Logis (shield because its faster) and the rest (10 maybe ??) dps would even be remotley effective ....
of course choosing the righth kind fights would be of utmost importance , but I just wonder if anyone has ever tried that to any effect / success at all ?
thx for your input Zap I've been a a few frig roams, and we've kicked arse. You'll probably want more than 10 dps ships though.
ok .. well the 10 frigs was merely ANY number :-)
to be more specific: is it worthwhile at all to use the logi and ewar frigs ? or are they a waste of precious dps ?
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Speedkermit Damo
Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
31
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Posted - 2013.02.19 15:02:00 -
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Zap Zarrap wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote:Zap Zarrap wrote:Hey there,
i was wondering: Has any one ever used pure Frig- and Destroyer sized "Wolfpacks" and actually used the Ewar and Logi-Frigs while doing it ? I am actually talking the T1- Frigs and Detsroyers and maybe in combination witht he new Destroyers ....
How effective are they really ?
I wonder if a Fleet of lets say 3-5 Ewar Frigs with ecm and dampeners plus about 5 Logis (shield because its faster) and the rest (10 maybe ??) dps would even be remotley effective ....
of course choosing the righth kind fights would be of utmost importance , but I just wonder if anyone has ever tried that to any effect / success at all ?
thx for your input Zap I've been a a few frig roams, and we've kicked arse. You'll probably want more than 10 dps ships though. ok .. well the 10 frigs was merely ANY number :-) to be more specific: is it worthwhile at all to use the logi and ewar frigs ? or are they a waste of precious dps ?
Depends on the numbers. We've had 30+ dps and no logi or ewar to speak of and been very sucessful. Although I'm sure logi and ewar are very useful, it's not essential.
But with 10 or less dps, you have trouble breaking the tank on some targets. Don't Panic.
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Zap Zarrap
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.19 15:25:00 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:Zap Zarrap wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote:Zap Zarrap wrote:Hey there,
i was wondering: Has any one ever used pure Frig- and Destroyer sized "Wolfpacks" and actually used the Ewar and Logi-Frigs while doing it ? I am actually talking the T1- Frigs and Detsroyers and maybe in combination witht he new Destroyers ....
How effective are they really ?
I wonder if a Fleet of lets say 3-5 Ewar Frigs with ecm and dampeners plus about 5 Logis (shield because its faster) and the rest (10 maybe ??) dps would even be remotley effective ....
of course choosing the righth kind fights would be of utmost importance , but I just wonder if anyone has ever tried that to any effect / success at all ?
thx for your input Zap I've been a a few frig roams, and we've kicked arse. You'll probably want more than 10 dps ships though. ok .. well the 10 frigs was merely ANY number :-) to be more specific: is it worthwhile at all to use the logi and ewar frigs ? or are they a waste of precious dps ? Depends on the numbers. We've had 30+ dps and no logi or ewar to speak of and been very sucessful. Although I'm sure logi and ewar are very useful, it's not essential. But with 10 or less dps, you have trouble breaking the tank on some targets.
the swarm. :-) i like it very much.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
566
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Posted - 2013.02.19 15:34:00 -
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Don't bring too many logi frigs, after all its only frigates, losses wont matter much and it will get you more fights.
Also not too much EWAR a couple of mauluses should be enough (Can put unbonused TDs on the DPS)
I hear some alliance has had great success bringing Enyo fleets to 0.0, taking down carriers and ****.. ^^ Beyond Divinity Recruitment is open! |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
240
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Posted - 2013.02.19 15:56:00 -
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Small wolfpacks of frigates (5 to 10) work great against random targets you might catch at gates etc. Since you are fast moving you can get a random kill and simply run before the enemy manages to set-up a "real" fleet. However, against a well set up cruiser fleet they will simply die... if you engage in frigates, but since you are fast you can do cherry picking and simply leave them alone. |
Zap Zarrap
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.19 16:13:00 -
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Meditril wrote:Small wolfpacks of frigates (5 to 10) work great against random targets you might catch at gates etc. Since you are fast moving you can get a random kill and simply run before the enemy manages to set-up a "real" fleet. However, against a well set up cruiser fleet they will simply die... if you engage in frigates, but since you are fast you can do cherry picking and simply leave them alone.
what about fleets of 30-50 ? :-)
still as fast,3 to 5 times the punch.... |
Zap Zarrap
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.19 16:16:00 -
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Zap Zarrap wrote:Meditril wrote:Small wolfpacks of frigates (5 to 10) work great against random targets you might catch at gates etc. Since you are fast moving you can get a random kill and simply run before the enemy manages to set-up a "real" fleet. However, against a well set up cruiser fleet they will simply die... if you engage in frigates, but since you are fast you can do cherry picking and simply leave them alone. what about fleets of 30-50 ? :-) still as fast,3 to 5 times the punch....
or does the upscaling pose too many problems ? |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
84
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Posted - 2013.02.19 16:19:00 -
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It can work, but it depends on what you are doing. The pure T1 frigs supported by T1 frig logi/EWAR can absolutely make a good wolf pack fleet. However, you are not going to be able to get into a slug fest with anything. The logi is not going to keep anything alive against concentrated dps. The EWAR won't be able to nullify the entire enemy fleet, etc. As long as you remember you are a wolf pack and not a brawling fleet, it can be a blast. It's particularly amusing to follow a larger gang around in lowsec that has no fast tackle for 10-20 jumps. They cannot catch you and you can pick off a straggler every couple of jumps. QCATS is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
642
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Posted - 2013.02.19 16:41:00 -
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Quote:Small wolfpacks of frigates (5 to 10) work great against random targets you might catch at gates etc. Since you are fast moving you can get a random kill and simply run before the enemy manages to set-up a "real" fleet. However, against a well set up cruiser fleet they will simply die... if you engage in frigates, but since you are fast you can do cherry picking and simply leave them alone.
This is a trivial statement. Sure, a 10-man t1 frigate gang will lose against a 10-man cruiser gang, but this is obvious. A 10-man cruiser gang will lose against a 10-man BC or BS gang, as well. You don't fly frigates because you want to take bigger stuff in equal numbers.
That said, for what they are, frig fleets are fantastic. They perform as you would expect a small, fast gang to work: They can catch stuff they can kill, and can run away from stuff they can't. |
Speedkermit Damo
Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.19 17:02:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Quote:Small wolfpacks of frigates (5 to 10) work great against random targets you might catch at gates etc. Since you are fast moving you can get a random kill and simply run before the enemy manages to set-up a "real" fleet. However, against a well set up cruiser fleet they will simply die... if you engage in frigates, but since you are fast you can do cherry picking and simply leave them alone.
This is a trivial statement. Sure, a 10-man t1 frigate gang will lose against a 10-man cruiser gang, but this is obvious. A 10-man cruiser gang will lose against a 10-man BC or BS gang, as well. You don't fly frigates because you want to take bigger stuff in equal numbers. That said, for what they are, frig fleets are fantastic. They perform as you would expect a small, fast gang to work: They can catch stuff they can kill, and can run away from stuff they can't.
The point of T1 frig fleets is that they are cheap and expendable, which is why logi is useful to provide reps to survivors after a fight, although not really all that useful during a fight. Don't Panic.
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
642
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Posted - 2013.02.19 17:22:00 -
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Quote:The point of T1 frig fleets is that they are cheap and expendable, which is why logi is useful to provide reps to survivors after a fight, although not really all that useful during a fight.
There are several purposes to frigate fleets, one of which is that it is cheaper than a bigger fleet and the other that it is much smaller/faster than a cruiser fleet. Frigates tank less hard and frigate logi reps less hard, but that is made up for by the fact that frigates, when put up against larger ships, will generally avoid a significant portion of the DPS applied by said larger ships. If there's an equal number of cruisers to frigates then sure, the reps aren't going to be enough, but by the same token cruiser logi isn't going to be able to out-rep the DPS coming from an equal-sized battleship fleet. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2334
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Posted - 2013.02.19 18:01:00 -
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Wait, since when does CVA run frigate fleets? We may have to drop by for a visit... Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec FW operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Speedkermit Damo
Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
31
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Posted - 2013.02.19 18:11:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Wait, since when does CVA run frigate fleets? We may have to drop by for a visit...
Where are you guys based? Perhaps we'll pay you a visit? Don't Panic.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2336
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Posted - 2013.02.19 22:32:00 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Wait, since when does CVA run frigate fleets? We may have to drop by for a visit... Where are you guys based? Perhaps we'll pay you a visit? P.S. Love your blog, yours and the "flight of dragons" blog inspired me to start playing Eve. We base out of the Essin constellation in Metropolis, though you'll find us all over Amarr/Minmatar FW space. Glad to hear you like the blog! Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec FW operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Disastro
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.02.20 12:39:00 -
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Zap Zarrap wrote:Hey there,
i was wondering: Has any one ever used pure Frig- and Destroyer sized "Wolfpacks" and actually used the Ewar and Logi-Frigs while doing it ? I am actually talking the T1- Frigs and Detsroyers and maybe in combination witht he new Destroyers ....
How effective are they really ?
I wonder if a Fleet of lets say 3-5 Ewar Frigs with ecm and dampeners plus about 5 Logis (shield because its faster) and the rest (10 maybe ??) dps would even be remotley effective ....
of course choosing the righth kind fights would be of utmost importance , but I just wonder if anyone has ever tried that to any effect / success at all ?
thx for your input Zap
ECM frigates like the Kitsune have been quite useful for some time. While I dont run a lot of frigate roams when i do run them there are usually one or two guys showing up in a ecm ship of some type. Folks are often surprised to be jammed by a frigate but they really shouldnt be. I remember a few years ago when the Clowns (IT) took delve i was sitting out side the station in NOL while some dude kept playing docking games on the station with a carrier repping him. I and many others were outiside shooting at him. I brought out a kitsune and jammed his carrier for 2 out of 3 cycles and his battleship didnt catch reps.
With ship bonuses and good skills an ECM frigate can be a surprise weapon. |
Tsobai Hashimoto
FATAL Warfare Hopeless Addiction
119
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:41:00 -
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Zap Zarrap wrote:Hey there,
i was wondering: Has any one ever used pure Frig- and Destroyer sized "Wolfpacks" and actually used the Ewar and Logi-Frigs while doing it ? I am actually talking the T1- Frigs and Detsroyers and maybe in combination witht he new Destroyers ....
How effective are they really ?
I wonder if a Fleet of lets say 3-5 Ewar Frigs with ecm and dampeners plus about 5 Logis (shield because its faster) and the rest (10 maybe ??) dps would even be remotley effective ....
of course choosing the righth kind fights would be of utmost importance , but I just wonder if anyone has ever tried that to any effect / success at all ?
thx for your input Zap
Some of the Ewar ships are amazing, the Maulus is just plain sexy, and you dont have to give up DPS as it gets 4 light drones.
I can either be setup to damp 2 ships very well or 3 semi well, and still apply 80 DPS to the fight with drones set to assist
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