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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
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Posted - 2013.02.20 00:26:00 -
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Losing ship? Worth hundreds of mil. PLATINUM INSURANCE is here to ease your pain. But where is the insurance for pods ? Where is our LIFE insurance? More often than not our head is worth MAGNITUDES above the cost of our ships and our pods A LOT more vulnerable . Should we establish an insurance system that reimburse 25% of your implants worth upon death ?
Please discuss. Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths. -Elizabeth I
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
465
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Posted - 2013.02.20 00:32:00 -
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No If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5316
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Posted - 2013.02.20 00:34:00 -
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No |
Kate stark
226
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Posted - 2013.02.20 00:38:00 -
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aren't pods just fancy SP insurance? so you want insurance for your insurance?
yo dawg, we put some insurance in your insurance? Obvious Goon alt that's never mined a day in his life(!) |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
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Posted - 2013.02.20 00:38:00 -
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No. The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.02.20 00:40:00 -
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Has anyone said No yet? Because if not, No. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Ptraci
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
1280
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Posted - 2013.02.20 00:44:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:
Please discuss.
There is absolutely nothing stopping you from doing it. It doesn't have to be done via CCP. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1182
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Posted - 2013.02.20 01:01:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:No. The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive. Oooooh, I like that one. Nice. If you're not already part of a bloc, this is the best guy for CSM8. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1182
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Posted - 2013.02.20 01:03:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:There is absolutely nothing stopping you from doing it. It doesn't have to be done via CCP. OP, I am now offering premium life insurance. You send me ISK equal to the value of your implants and I pay you 25% of that when you next get podded. If you're not already part of a bloc, this is the best guy for CSM8. |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
517
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Posted - 2013.02.20 01:40:00 -
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Insurance scams are best scams CCP don't make us wait another decade for a drone overhaul; DRONE OVERHAUL NOW! |
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Psyche Atheos
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.20 01:41:00 -
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no. |
Orlacc
248
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Posted - 2013.02.20 01:42:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:
Please discuss.
There is absolutely nothing stopping you from doing it. It doesn't have to be done via CCP.
This. Let's face it all Insurance is a scam.
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
787
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Posted - 2013.02.20 02:03:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:Ptraci wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:
Please discuss.
There is absolutely nothing stopping you from doing it. It doesn't have to be done via CCP. This. Let's face it all Insurance is a scam. we already have 1400mm to the face is not a pre-existing condition. And I don't see how is this different from the ship insurance Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths. -Elizabeth I
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
934
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Posted - 2013.02.20 03:32:00 -
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I only say no because it would be really awkward walking into a life insurance office to collect a payment for you own death. EvE Forum Bingo |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2771
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Posted - 2013.02.20 04:19:00 -
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Yes?
PS Don't ask two questions in one post. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
303
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Posted - 2013.02.20 05:54:00 -
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No.
See below. Remove insurance. |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
201
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:54:00 -
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I see lots of no's but no reason why not.
The op has a point, you can insure your ship for a payout when it goes to the great minmatar resources yard in the sky (although T2 ship insurance is a waste of isk since the payouts are laughable) so why can't you insure your implants?
Just interested since nobody seemed to be willing to put a comment after they wrote no, maybe they'd used up their bitterness quota for the day |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2477
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Posted - 2013.02.20 08:11:00 -
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Emma Royd wrote:I see lots of no's but no reason why not. The op has a point, you can insure your ship for a payout when it goes to the great minmatar resources yard in the sky (although T2 ship insurance is a waste of isk since the payouts are laughable) so why can't you insure your implants? Just interested since nobody seemed to be willing to put a comment after they wrote no, maybe they'd used up their bitterness quota for the day
The insurance system is based on the average price of minerals. Since implants aren't made with minerals... This also explains why T2 & T3 insurance doesn't pay out an amount that makes it worth it.
Apart from that, the game doesn't need another huge isk faucet. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
787
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Posted - 2013.02.20 08:52:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Emma Royd wrote:I see lots of no's but no reason why not. The op has a point, you can insure your ship for a payout when it goes to the great minmatar resources yard in the sky (although T2 ship insurance is a waste of isk since the payouts are laughable) so why can't you insure your implants? Just interested since nobody seemed to be willing to put a comment after they wrote no, maybe they'd used up their bitterness quota for the day The insurance system is based on the average price of minerals. Since implants aren't made with minerals... This also explains why T2 & T3 insurance doesn't pay out an amount that makes it worth it. Apart from that, the game doesn't need another huge isk faucet.
Almost all implants comes from LP stores or loot drops. For the LP store implants. The isk needed fhe implant shall be reimbursed , when the Slave, snake and the sort , will be reimbursed at 50% market price Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths. -Elizabeth I
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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
291
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:07:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote: Almost all implants comes from LP stores or loot drops. For the LP store implants. The isk needed fhe implant shall be reimbursed , when the Slave, snake and the sort , will be reimbursed at 50% market price
Doesn't matter. It's still a way to reduce consequences and death penalities, and this is why "no" for me. of course from a single player perspective one could say "oh, why not, I got some more ISK, it's cool" but is not so if one see it from an overall perspective . It's all about what kind of game we want.
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Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
235
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:09:00 -
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Yes.
Obama IS a great president.
Oh right right, about pod insurance;
HELL NO. |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
787
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:10:00 -
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*editing Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths. -Elizabeth I
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Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:12:00 -
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Jump clones are a thing.
/thread |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
353
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:18:00 -
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Joran Dravius wrote:Jump clones are a thing.
/thread
True. And empty / cheap ones can be the norm. |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
787
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:20:00 -
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Joran Dravius wrote:Jump clones are a thing.
/thread EPIC SOUNDTRACK
not sure ******** or what. Jump clones are unrelated to the cost incurred when you do get podded.
Its like saying ..well if you don't want to lose your ship , don't fly it . Thats counter intuitive to the existence of the current insurance system.
Insurance is a method employed by CCP to encourage PvP via reduction of the potential lost incurred by partially reimbursing the losses . This is simply an extension to the same scheme. By covering the clone itself. People would be a lot more willing to invest in pvp , and implants will be a thing among the commons .
For the past few years , the main focus on the expansions has been catering to the needs of the carebears. THAT ! MUST CHANGE! For no man should be PUNISHED for his courage and valor in the times of battle . They should be honored and praised. Most importantly , we should encourage such acts.
Sadly , not all men are of such bravery. As such ,with this insurance scheme, we hope it would breathe new life into the implants sector and facilitate the dynamics of the pvp world. Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths. -Elizabeth I
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2480
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:32:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Emma Royd wrote:I see lots of no's but no reason why not. The op has a point, you can insure your ship for a payout when it goes to the great minmatar resources yard in the sky (although T2 ship insurance is a waste of isk since the payouts are laughable) so why can't you insure your implants? Just interested since nobody seemed to be willing to put a comment after they wrote no, maybe they'd used up their bitterness quota for the day The insurance system is based on the average price of minerals. Since implants aren't made with minerals... This also explains why T2 & T3 insurance doesn't pay out an amount that makes it worth it. Apart from that, the game doesn't need another huge isk faucet. Almost all implants comes from LP stores or loot drops.
That's the point. The insurance system is based off the average price of base minerals across all of EVE. Insurance for T1 stuff is all it covers & all it ever should cover. If you can't afford to replace the implants that you lost, you shouldn't have undocked with them. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
292
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:34:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote: For the past few years , the main focus on the expansions has been catering to the needs of the carebears. THAT ! MUST CHANGE!
For no man should be PUNISHED for his courage and valor in the times of battle . They should be honored and praised. Most importantly , we should encourage such acts.
Mitigating defeat penalitiies (reducing costs and consequences) is just "catering to the needs of the carebears".
it's like playing poker with no real money, go figure how much fun.
And for "courage in battle"... beside it sounds silly in a videogame ambit but you evaluate it just for the risk and costs related. Everyone is good when courage comes for free and refunded.
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
787
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:35:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Emma Royd wrote:I see lots of no's but no reason why not. The op has a point, you can insure your ship for a payout when it goes to the great minmatar resources yard in the sky (although T2 ship insurance is a waste of isk since the payouts are laughable) so why can't you insure your implants? Just interested since nobody seemed to be willing to put a comment after they wrote no, maybe they'd used up their bitterness quota for the day The insurance system is based on the average price of minerals. Since implants aren't made with minerals... This also explains why T2 & T3 insurance doesn't pay out an amount that makes it worth it. Apart from that, the game doesn't need another huge isk faucet. Almost all implants comes from LP stores or loot drops. That's the point. The insurance system is based off the average price of base minerals across all of EVE. Insurance for T1 stuff is all it covers & all it ever should cover. If you can't afford to replace the implants that you lost, you shouldn't have undocked with them.
And the pod insurance will only cover part of the implants cost, and as it moves onto the T2 implants , the cover percentage is even less. Refer to earlier posts. We're only talking about covering the monetary cost of those implants from LP store here. Nothing more. So lets say for a 04 series implant that cost 28 mil on the market, you're looking at a maximum of 5mil in reimbursement. Slave , snake sets that cost hundreds of mil? Still no more than 10 mil per plant.
The risk is still here. Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths. -Elizabeth I
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
787
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:37:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote: For the past few years , the main focus on the expansions has been catering to the needs of the carebears. THAT ! MUST CHANGE!
For no man should be PUNISHED for his courage and valor in the times of battle . They should be honored and praised. Most importantly , we should encourage such acts.
Mitigating defeat penalitiies (reducing costs and consequences) is just "catering to the needs of the carebears". it's like playing poker with no real money, go figure how much fun. And for "courage in battle"... beside it sounds silly in a videogame ambit but you evaluate it just for the risk and costs related. Everyone is good when courage comes for free and refunded.
Carebears don't need insurance , they aren't part of the pvp community. The risk/return ratio is too high. But this insurance scheme will LOWER than ratio , so we can revitalize the sector and invite more people into the trade Brass shines as fair to the ignorant as gold to the goldsmiths. -Elizabeth I
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2480
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:39:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:And the pod insurance will only cover part of the implants cost, and as it moves onto the T2 implants , the cover percentage is even less. Refer to earlier posts. We're only talking about covering the monetary cost of those implants from LP store here. Nothing more. So lets say for a 04 series implant that cost 28 mil on the market, you're looking at a maximum of 5mil in reimbursement. Slave , snake sets that cost hundreds of mil? Still no more than 10 mil per plant.
The risk is still here but the difference is , its partially transferred so as it wouldn't hurt them as bad if they die
Most people still won't PvP with implants under your propsed system. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
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