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Aracimia Wolfe
Brave Newbies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.20 14:58:00 -
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ITT: people complaining about their ships choices not being the best choice by miles anymore are told to HTFU by people with half a modicum of sense.
Go try the new ships. Also lol at anyone still complaining about drones. This drone specialist still be working fine. Malcanis for CSM 8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717 \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ m8m8m8m8m8m8m8 o7
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HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
158
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Posted - 2013.02.20 14:59:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote: What are you going to small gang roam in? Feroxes? Please.
Don't make me go into the pile of garbage that passes for "working ships" these days. It's all "approach, push F1" or "orbit, push F1". Carebears might whine about PvE getting to be "more like" PvP, but it's really PvP that is turning into PvE. If you like these changes, you probably should just go run some level 4's. You'll find that fun.
Please do this the next time you see me, it makes my life so much easyer when ships fly directly at my large blasters.
I didnt know miners and freighter pilots from hi-sec flew at you?? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7703
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Posted - 2013.02.20 14:59:00 -
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Aracimia Wolfe wrote:
Go try the newly viable ships.
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Aracimia Wolfe
Brave Newbies Inc.
217
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:02:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Aracimia Wolfe wrote:
Go try the newly viable ships.
Amendment accepted Malcanis for CSM 8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717 \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ m8m8m8m8m8m8m8 o7
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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
987
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:09:00 -
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I'm just having a hard time grasping why anyone thinks game balance decisions should be made on the basis of small gang versus large blob combat. The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7704
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:10:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:I'm just having a hard time grasping why anyone thinks game balance decisions should be made on the basis of small gang versus large blob combat.
Nerf Rock; Paper is fine
- Scissors Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
207
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:18:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Can't agree. Drake is not unusable. Neither is the Hurricane.
Unusable no - but the cane for instance was one of the least broken ships in the game - making it more clunky to fit so its more inline with the other ships isn't really progress.
Seen the same with weapon systems and other aspects of the game, where stuff thats working as expected for some reason gets downgraded at the same time as stuff thats seriously under-performing getting massaged upwards,,, get the feeling someones so scared of "power creep" they are hazarding on undercutting things than trying to actually balance things. I hate to think what will happen to other long range weapons if they actually ever get to fixing small/medium railguns using spike ammo. |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
112
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:22:00 -
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All I hear is "Nooooo my win buttooooon!". |
Eva Perez
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:35:00 -
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I can ruinz thread?
http://rifterlings.com/kb/?a=home
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Arduemont
Tempest Legion Corcoran State
1228
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:44:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Latest in a long line of small gang PVP nerfs...
Small gang and solo has been getting buffed for the last three expansion. Small gang isn't getting harder. Your just getting worse. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2337
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:48:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Rroff wrote:Liang Nuren wrote: It's ok hun. It'll all be ok and better in the morning dearie.
/pat pat
-Liang
Can only assume your completely missing the point of what I'm saying as the responses aren't in any way an appropriate one. If you actually have something useful to contribute say it. what you are saying is that kiting nano ships (which are virtually zero risk if flown with a bare minimum of competency) are the epitome of elite pvp. also that picking on soft targets (stragglers, fleets without recons or logistics, ...) makes you good at pvp. hearing you loud & clear.
So, what does make you good at PvP then? Hitting approach, F1, and hoping your blob has enough numbers to counter their blob? Feh.
Eve is not a game about fair fights. Even if you're outnumbered, a skilled pilot (or a small gang) should be able to pick at and weaken/inconvenience/incapacitate a larger gang. That the game is moving towards a state in which that is no longer possible, and in which your only recourse to numbers is to step up your own numbers is worrying and saddening. CCP is milking small gang PvP to feed the ever growing blob, and it's not going unnoticed.
Karl Hobb wrote:Milton Middleson wrote:This is fantastic. Truly. 10/10 Yeah, I agree.
Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec FW operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Solstice Project
Brave Newbies Inc.
2777
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:50:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:I can't believe you guys. Did all the real PvPers leave when I wasn't looking, just to be replaced by blobbing braindead goons?
I should just unsub, this game is starting to not be worth it anymore. I'm not paying to be part of a super carebear noob haven of people who like to pretend they "PvP". I always thought a lot of good things about the Rifterlings, but you just make yourself look bad.
I hope i'm just missing something, but from my perspective it looks like you're whining about having lost your overpowered ships. And they were overpowered. There's a reason why people used them so much. It's because they want easy play and not a challenge.
Now you act like the only thing combat is is pressing F1-F8 and hitting orbit/keep at range, as if YOU were one of the carebears not knowing any better.
Your posts **** me off. I thought better of you. The only thought that now comes up reading your posts is:
Stop whining, noob. Thanks. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
245
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:52:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Can't agree. Drake is not unusable. Neither is the Hurricane.
Unusable no - but the cane for instance was one of the least broken ships in the game - making it more clunky to fit so its more inline with the other ships isn't really progress. Seen the same with weapon systems and other aspects of the game, where stuff thats working as expected for some reason gets downgraded at the same time as stuff thats seriously under-performing getting massaged upwards,,, get the feeling someones so scared of "power creep" they are hazarding on undercutting things than trying to actually balance things. I hate to think what will happen to other long range weapons if they actually ever get to fixing small/medium railguns using spike ammo.
The hurricane was one of the most broken ships in the game specifically because it was laughably easy to fit. Apparently CCP meant it to be an artillery platform, so its AC variations had a ludicrous amount of grid with which to fit largest guns + heaviest tank + dual medium neuts. On top of that, it was as fast as a cruiser with virtually no drawback to being so. If you wanted to pick a ship which was ruining small pvp by overshadowing most of the alternatives, the hurricane would be a good choice.
And it's hardly ruined. It's received a minor agility nerf, lost a bit of utility, and now you have to think about what you put on it and why you want those 425mm ACs rather than 220mms. |
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
196
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:53:00 -
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Look, not every one is going to agree with everything CCP does to ships and thats fine. Personally i didnt like what they did to the cyclone simply because i perfer projectiles for fighting, but i know 5 others that like it, so i accepted it as just another change to adapt to. Is it world ending, no. long as Fozzie dosen't touch the vaga & tempest i have no problems with what he does " laughs'. ...................................................... |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2338
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:59:00 -
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Milton Middleson wrote:Rroff wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Can't agree. Drake is not unusable. Neither is the Hurricane.
Unusable no - but the cane for instance was one of the least broken ships in the game - making it more clunky to fit so its more inline with the other ships isn't really progress. Seen the same with weapon systems and other aspects of the game, where stuff thats working as expected for some reason gets downgraded at the same time as stuff thats seriously under-performing getting massaged upwards,,, get the feeling someones so scared of "power creep" they are hazarding on undercutting things than trying to actually balance things. I hate to think what will happen to other long range weapons if they actually ever get to fixing small/medium railguns using spike ammo. The hurricane was one of the most broken ships in the game specifically because it was laughably easy to fit. Apparently CCP meant it to be an artillery platform, so its AC variations had a ludicrous amount of grid with which to fit largest guns + heaviest tank + dual medium neuts. On top of that, it was as fast as a cruiser with virtually no drawback to being so. If you wanted to pick a ship which was ruining small pvp by overshadowing most of the alternatives, the hurricane would be a good choice. And it's hardly ruined. It's received a minor agility nerf, lost a bit of utility, and now you have to think about what you put on it and why you want those 425mm ACs rather than 220mms. Milton! What are you doing?? Stop! Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec FW operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2338
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:07:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:I can't believe you guys. Did all the real PvPers leave when I wasn't looking, just to be replaced by blobbing braindead goons?
I should just unsub, this game is starting to not be worth it anymore. I'm not paying to be part of a super carebear noob haven of people who like to pretend they "PvP". I always thought a lot of good things about the Rifterlings, but you just make yourself look bad. I hope i'm just missing something, but from my perspective it looks like you're whining about having lost your overpowered ships. And they were overpowered. There's a reason why people used them so much. It's because they want easy play and not a challenge. Now you act like the only thing combat is is pressing F1-F8 and hitting orbit/keep at range, as if YOU were one of the carebears not knowing any better. Your posts **** me off. I thought better of you. The only thought that now comes up reading your posts is: Stop whining, noob. Thanks. They. Were. Not. Overpowered. They were the only ships with proper fittings and attributes to do their damn jobs. Now they've been nerfed to be the same as the rest of the crap they call for "ships". Why not pull those up instead, hmm?
I don't think you've ever fought Rifterlings (you don't show up on our KB), so it's understandable why you wouldn't understand how much the Drake means to us. You should really check it and see what we fight in those "keep at range and F1" Drakes before you level stupid accusations like that. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec FW operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Arduemont
Tempest Legion Corcoran State
1228
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:07:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote: Milton! What are you doing?? Stop!
Got a lol out of this. Please continue.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2338
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:08:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote: Milton! What are you doing?? Stop!
Got a lol out of this. Please continue. There is discord in our ranks... Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec FW operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6923
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:12:00 -
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"guys we were just trolling LOL gotcha" ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
988
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:13:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:They were the only ships with proper fittings and attributes to do their damn jobs. This was precisely the problem. They made every other battlecruiser in the game obsolete, which is indicative of poor game balance.
Petrus Blackshell wrote: Now they've been nerfed to be the same as the rest of the crap they call for "ships". Why not pull those up instead, hmm?
Because obsoleting every cruiser in the game by making ALL the battle cruisers over powered would be indicative of even worse game balance than we already had.
We get it - you're pissed because your play style got changed (I won't use nerfed, because that's not an accurate term, if you look at the issue objectively). To that, I will say, in the words of CCP themselves: "HTFU." Adapt or die - it's the Eve way. The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
989
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:14:00 -
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Andski wrote:"guys we were just trolling LOL gotcha"
I'm actually waiting for this - back pedaling is the most sincere form of admitting defeat. The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12940
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:15:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Eve is not a game about fair fights. Even if you're outnumbered, a skilled pilot (or a small gang) should be able to pick at and weaken/inconvenience/incapacitate a larger gang. GǪand making the viable ship decision cover a larger spectrum of ships rather than have everyone + dog in the same two ships means that there will be even more room to make use of your clever decisions (in both ships and fittings and tactics) to pick at the mistakes done by the lesser-skilled.
It means that more skill will be required to put together a well-sorted fleet and make all the parts match up; more skill to provide a full set of counters; more skill to employ said counters at the right time against the right thing; more skill required for every single partGǪ and the monoculture blob will be ridiculously maladapted to all the variations that will come its way (if you're skilled enough to keep them guessing).
Quote:They. Were. Not. Overpowered. They were the only ships with proper fittings and attributes to do their damn jobs. GǪin other words, overpowered. They were not meant to do all that stuff (much less at once) GÇö they were meant to be pieces of a larger jigsaw, where everything put on them meant something else was left out. Now you have to, you know, apply a bit of skill to fit them for the one specific job they're going to fill at any given time. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
989
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:16:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Eve is not a game about fair fights. Even if you're outnumbered, a skilled pilot (or a small gang) should be able to pick at and weaken/inconvenience/incapacitate a larger gang. GǪand making the viable ship decision cover a larger spectrum of ships rather than have everyone + dog in the same two ships means that there will be even more room to make use of your clever decisions (in both ships and fittings and tactics) to pick at the mistakes done by the lesser-skilled. It means that more skill will be required to put together a well-sorted fleet and make all the parts match up; more skill to provide a full set of counters; more skill to employ said counters at the right time against the right thing; more skill required for every single partGǪ and the monoculture blob will be ridiculously maladapted to all the variations that will come its way (if you're skilled enough to keep them guessing).
But...but...but :effort: The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
763
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:16:00 -
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Tippia wrote: It means that more skill will be required to put together a well-sorted fleet...
This appears to the center of the butthurt issue for many folks.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
246
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:20:00 -
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Quote:"guys we were just trolling LOL gotcha"
I'm sorry we wasted your time raising serious issues to the community.
De'Veldrin wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:They were the only ships with proper fittings and attributes to do their damn jobs. This was precisely the problem. They made every other battlecruiser in the game obsolete, which is indicative of poor game balance. Petrus Blackshell wrote: Now they've been nerfed to be the same as the rest of the crap they call for "ships". Why not pull those up instead, hmm?
Because obsoleting every cruiser in the game by making ALL the battle cruisers over powered would be indicative of even worse game balance than we already had. We get it - you're pissed because your play style got changed (I won't use nerfed, because that's not an accurate term, if you look at the issue objectively). To that, I will say, in the words of CCP themselves: "HTFU." Adapt or die - it's the Eve way.
I'm not gonna lie, I don't think his play style got nerfed. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2338
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:20:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Andski wrote:"guys we were just trolling LOL gotcha" I'm actually waiting for this - back pedaling is the most sincere form of admitting defeat. Tch, you'd deem me a mere troll?
I'll be a Drake pilot till the day I die. 1372 kills in them and going strong.
I am just lamenting the ruin of what used to once be a good ship to now being a second rate piece of trash. Of course I'll "adapt" (geez you guys are like a broken record), but the reason I am complaining is because I do not think adapting is possible after so much performance reduction. I'm sure there are others who feel the same. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - lowsec FW operation, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Arduemont
Tempest Legion Corcoran State
1228
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:24:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Andski wrote:"guys we were just trolling LOL gotcha" I'm actually waiting for this - back pedaling is the most sincere form of admitting defeat. Tch, you'd deem me a mere troll? I'll be a Drake pilot till the day I die. 1372 kills in them and going strong. I am just lamenting the ruin of what used to once be a good ship to now being a second rate piece of trash. Of course I'll "adapt" (geez you guys are like a broken record), but the reason I am complaining is because I do not think adapting is possible after so much performance reduction. I'm sure there are others who feel the same.
Fit gank over tank and you'll be laughing. The drake is not broken, it's just more of a heavy hitter than a tank now. Put a scram and a web on it and fit for max damage. Do hit and runs and you'll kill things significantly faster than people will think your capable of. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3582
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:26:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:I'm going to go out on a limb here and agree with OP. It is absolutely unreasonable for the Drake to be nerfed multiple times. What do CCP think it is, a ****** titan?!
The Drake used to be the perfect balance for small gang PvP and now it is unusable. Couple that with the Tengu being kicked into obsolesence , and the Hurricane becoming a pile of you-know-what, I don't know how solo and small gang PvP will survive.
CCP needs to wake up. Don't nerf things that work well just becuase everything else sucks. Buff the things that suck! For example, like happened to frigates. If you have to have an extremely overpowered ship to be successful at solo or small gang PVP, you weren't actually very good at it to begin with. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12943
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:32:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:I am just lamenting the ruin of what used to once be a good ship to now being a second rate piece of trash. Yes, the fate of the Phantasm is indeed a very sad story. It doesn't particularly have anything to do with making sure both the Drake and the Cane remain very good ships, even when the other BCs are being adjusted to be worth-while alongside themGǪ but so far, it has worked rather well. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3583
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:I am just lamenting the ruin of what used to once be a good ship to now being a second rate piece of trash. Yes, the fate of the Phantasm is indeed a very sad story. It doesn't particularly have anything to do with making sure both the Drake and the Cane remain very good ships, even when the other BCs are being adjusted to be worth-while alongside themGǪ but so far, it has worked rather well. I really want to still love my Phantasm, I really do, but circumstances conspire to make that very difficult to do.
Still, faction rebalance is on the way. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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