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Gryphon Infinite
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.02.20 05:29:00 -
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The estimated price, when you hover over an inventory item, is pretty pointless right now. Many discussions throughout the past have talked about it, and have verified that it isn't working properly.
Please just disable it for now, it literally doesn't do much, and is an annoyance.
OR
With more effort, make this price just reflect like the cheapest buy order in the region / constellation / system / etc.
Hope to hear everyone's feedback on this phenomena and my idea. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
759
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Posted - 2013.02.20 05:30:00 -
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Agreed that it's often misleading, sometimes outright false. Dump it for now. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Gryphon Infinite
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.02.20 05:35:00 -
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Hey there, I really appreciate your speedy response on the subject.
It is nice to see a friendly player who cares about the game and it's well being. I really appreciate your constructive feedback.
Feel free to add me to contacts / and buddy in game too! |
Sir Substance
Quantum Triplines
555
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Posted - 2013.02.20 06:51:00 -
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It makes far more sense to make it work rather then scrap it. Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
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dark heartt
Space Truckers Assoc
18
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:02:00 -
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How does it actually work out the price it displays? Is it an average of the buy/sell orders or does it work on what CCP thinks the item should be worth? |
baltec1
Bat Country
5325
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:04:00 -
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Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate. |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
258
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:08:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate.
They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible. |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
491
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:08:00 -
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I gotta admit I find it pretty helpful actually, I get the estimated price of my mined ores, and so helps me to plan ahead when saving up for stuff, and Ive found it surprisingly accurate a lot of the time,
keep it I say, or make it an option to disable it,
I mean you don't have to look at it if you don't want to Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Cindy Marco
Expanse Security
117
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:12:00 -
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I like it, even with its flaws.
It is like getting something appraised in real life. Its a general indicator partially based on what things have sold for in the past, but its not necessarily the price you will be able to get for it if you actually sell it. |
Sir Substance
Quantum Triplines
555
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:13:00 -
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mechtech wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate. They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible.
that would be useless. if anything, regional average would be more useful. Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
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Dalmont Delantee
Dropbears with Kebabs SpaceMonkey's Alliance
110
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:15:00 -
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As above I find it useful, if you put your items up to sell at the price on it then you are a little bit of a spaz |
Kestrix
Industrial Renaissance MinTek Conglomerate
85
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:20:00 -
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Whats wrong with an average estimate? I think this is going to be as good as your going to get. If you want a better idea of an items value then right click and select market transactions. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
4553
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:21:00 -
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Sir Substance wrote:mechtech wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate. They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible. that would be useless. if anything, regional average would be more useful. How so? Many items are sold in very limited quantity or not at all in every region, so the feature would be totally useless in most areas of space. Now it at least gives a good ballpark figure no matter where you are. |
Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
106
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:32:00 -
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Gryphon Infinite wrote:Please just disable it for now, it literally doesn't do much, and is an annoyance.
How hard it is not to look a the number if you know it's wrong?.
Don't ask to have client usability reduced because there is something you don't understand, or don't know how to use. Someone else might actually use it, if anything ask for the option to enable/disable the displaying of the value. |
Sir Substance
Quantum Triplines
555
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:42:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Sir Substance wrote:mechtech wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate. They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible. that would be useless. if anything, regional average would be more useful. How so? Many items are sold in very limited quantity or not at all in every region, so the feature would be totally useless in most areas of space. Now it at least gives a good ballpark figure no matter where you are. Its not at all useless, its highly consistant.
No other market data source is cross-region. Contracts are, the market is not.
By making the feature cross-region, you make it counter intuitive.
If people misattribute where that data is coming from, it will seem useless. This thread is a case in point.
Op assumed the data was regional when it was eve-wide, came and posted a thread asserting it was useless, and here we are, finding as a group that the current implementation is stupid.
Why fix the mistake by performing the same mistake?
Setting the price to the jita price is stupid, because most people are not in jita. traders will find it useful, to everyone else it will be just as nonsensical as todays implementation. The data will still seem to come from nowhere. the fact that it comes from a diferent and highly specific nowhere helps noone except people with freighters hauling stuff to jita. and they can alreadynuse external market aggregators for that.
Implement a current region average, and it conforms with the eve-wide standard, making it more understandable and thus more usable. Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
2018
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Posted - 2013.02.20 08:29:00 -
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Well I find it an absolutely wonderful feature, giving me a ballpark figure of the value of the stuff I'm looking at.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
30784
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Posted - 2013.02.20 08:35:00 -
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Roime wrote:Well I find it an absolutely wonderful feature, giving me a ballpark figure of the value of the stuff I'm looking at.
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Midiana
Just Popped Out For Milk
2
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Posted - 2013.02.20 08:43:00 -
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I like it too. Its usually pretty accurate. And it gives us a good idea of what we're making in wormholes without a market to look at. It's an estimate, its not meant to be 100% accurate. And as an estimate 90% of the time I find it pretty much bang on.
Stop crying about stuff and go play the game |
Reiisha
Evolution The Retirement Club
230
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Posted - 2013.02.20 09:04:00 -
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mechtech wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate. They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible.
Would be interesting if the market moves at some point. It has in the past.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Matt Ellis
Infinity Engine Sleeping Dragons
99
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Posted - 2013.02.20 09:24:00 -
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Ill admit its not 100% accurate. The way i currently understand it, is that it's Eve-wide average so it gives coverage EVERYWHERE in eve. if you were to set it to Jita, then there are some people that don't buy/sell in Jita. If you were to set it to region, then fair enough, it would cover the current region.
I wil ask though. What about Wormholes? We don't have market regions, so this is the only way of quickly working out what our stuff is worth on the fly.
To be honest. It could be reduced in scope. At one point it said our MNR price was like 8m, but it was more like 4.5. Doesn't it grab data from 3 months past? Looking for a Wormhole Corporation to call home? Check out Infinity Engine today!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2589788#post2589788 |
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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
262
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Posted - 2013.02.20 09:46:00 -
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OP: no
I think as a punishment for suggesting this OPs client should be modified so he doesnt have this function.
Then you can go back to working out how much every single item you own is worth when you need to move it, sell it or buy it.
Its a great tool, accuracy should always be checked but that takes about 2 seconds. Of a request for change ask: Who Benefits? |
Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
235
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:12:00 -
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Not 100% accurate, but serves the purpose well, and gives a rough estimate on the value of items. Would be very dissapointed if it was scrapped. One little tip if you don't like it: DON'T USE IT. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
809
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:16:00 -
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Gryphon Infinite wrote:Please just disable it for now, it literally doesn't do much, and is an annoyance. . it just determines lp payouts for fw kills... I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
353
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:16:00 -
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It's a great feature for those living in Wspace, maybe even the only market-related in-game intel they have. |
Skorpynekomimi
451
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:51:00 -
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It's a great feature, in my book. Good for quickly checking the value of my cargo hold, for example. |
Mina Hiragi
Red Federation
83
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Posted - 2013.02.20 11:03:00 -
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Matt Ellis wrote:Ill admit its not 100% accurate. The way i currently understand it, is that it's Eve-wide average so it gives coverage EVERYWHERE in eve. if you were to set it to Jita, then there are some people that don't buy/sell in Jita. If you were to set it to region, then fair enough, it would cover the current region.
I wil ask though. What about Wormholes? We don't have market regions, so this is the only way of quickly working out what our stuff is worth on the fly.
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Options for EVE-wide, current region, selected region.
Perhaps many hamsters will die bringing us this information, but it would be a noble death; sure, they would chew on nibble sticks served by Valkyries in Hamster Valhalla.
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Whitehound
879
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Posted - 2013.02.20 11:05:00 -
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Gryphon Infinite wrote:Please just disable it for now, it literally doesn't do much, and is an annoyance. The estimated prices are estimates and are working well. As the name says are these estimated prices and they give you a first idea of what an item might be worth.
Any dumb kid can then look up the current Jita prices and say, "Look, the prices are all wrong."
Better tell us what it was you sold for cheap and are now whining about. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Irya Boone
TIPIAKS
201
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Posted - 2013.02.20 11:09:00 -
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It could be More accurate , more usefull if
The system admit the existence of Hubs ( jita, rens , hek , amarr ,dodixie) And set the estimated Price on the Top buy order in the NEAREST hub from You as simple as it. or more simple Choose only one HUB .. you know which one i'm talking about and set the estimated price on the top buyer order.
Simple simple like a GM said : i'm sure it's only one Line code.... Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2481
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Posted - 2013.02.20 11:11:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Gryphon Infinite wrote:Please just disable it for now, it literally doesn't do much, and is an annoyance. The estimated prices are estimates and are working well. As the name says are these estimated prices and they give you a first idea of what an item might be worth. Any dumb kid can then look up the current Jita prices and say, "Look, the prices are all wrong." Better tell us what it was you sold for cheap and are now whining about.
Estimated being the keyword. Apparently the OP's understanding of the word 'estimate' is lacking. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1478
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Posted - 2013.02.20 13:28:00 -
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mechtech wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate. They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible.
Jita is only the de facto market hub, not a hardcoded market hub. Tomorrow, if trends change for whatever reason, and people start using Amarr or something, a hardcoded "This is the market hub" statement would be false. |
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