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Bamsey Amraa
Unseen Nomads Exiled Ones
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Posted - 2013.02.26 07:45:00 -
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Warlord Shat wrote:The honest answer to 1 is, i don't know it, personally i was torn I have been pushing for an invasion for months mainly because i feel like it is the true driver of wormhole conflict, it solves the problems that are always brought up in discussion on how to improve wormhole space. The big fights and amazing stories attract more players to join wormhole space. Currently Wormhole Space is very stale very static nothing much is happening
I wanted to be part of the change, to get things happening. Personally i would like to evict alot of people, Nothing personal just think its a good way to cause fight and bitter rivalries which is healthy for the game, Batphoning and the circle jerk are one of the main reason this isn't happening,
It would of been an amazing fight and a very tough one at that but it didn't happen
and in a response to 2, No **** you, I hate organised fights, we will not 5v5 T1 cruisers at the sun, Man the **** up and fight
So 3 is an error but 2 is a good idea?
You run on the logic of not evicting people who bring fights but ruin fights because you are to afraid to fight even with slightly even fleets, Last time we fought Arctic we fully commuted and they cap blobbed us so we seed caps to even the fight they batphone everyone
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Qel'Droma
Logg off inc
2
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Posted - 2013.02.26 09:06:00 -
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Bamsey Amraa wrote:Warlord Shat wrote:The honest answer to 1 is, i don't know it, personally i was torn I have been pushing for an invasion for months mainly because i feel like it is the true driver of wormhole conflict, it solves the problems that are always brought up in discussion on how to improve wormhole space. The big fights and amazing stories attract more players to join wormhole space. Currently Wormhole Space is very stale very static nothing much is happening
I wanted to be part of the change, to get things happening. Personally i would like to evict alot of people, Nothing personal just think its a good way to cause fight and bitter rivalries which is healthy for the game, Batphoning and the circle jerk are one of the main reason this isn't happening,
It would of been an amazing fight and a very tough one at that but it didn't happen
and in a response to 2, No **** you, I hate organised fights, we will not 5v5 T1 cruisers at the sun, Man the **** up and fight
So 3 is an error but 2 is a good idea?
You run on the logic of not evicting people who bring fights but ruin fights because you are to afraid to fight even with slightly even fleets, Last time we fought Arctic we fully commuted and they cap blobbed us so we seed caps to even the fight they batphone everyone +1 +1 |
Serendipity Lost
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
36
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Posted - 2013.02.26 09:23:00 -
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It's a little known fact that the word Qel' rhymes with hay.
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1012
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Posted - 2013.02.26 14:39:00 -
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Having nearly twice as many players, more caps, and the home field advantage and then batphoning is... well, I understand why you'd do it if you thought there was a threat of eviction.
But just leave it at that, you didn't want to risk eviction so called for help. Don't see the point in trying to prove your manliness or ehonour or whatever the hells going on here |
Surfs Down
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.02.26 14:51:00 -
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I think is AHARMS attempt at being relevant again in WH space. So they came in and scoped up the ball and said that you can't play anymore. |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
409
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Posted - 2013.02.26 16:23:00 -
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I'm pretty sure by now that this is a case of fog of war and partial intelligence. Every side assumes things about the other side and, more importantly, assumes that the other side has a certain knowledge about themselves which they do not actually have.
Everyone says "they must have known this", "it was obvious that we...", "they could see that just by looking at...", "this action by them wouldn't make sense if they didn't know that..." and so on and the course of action is based on wrong assumptions about the opponent's base of information.
The consequence is that both sides act in a way that seems prudent and reasonable to them, but appears senseless, stupid or cowardly to the other side.
Still I'd stick to the argument that when you face a credible threat of eviction, you always err on the side of caution and go for maximal escalation to defend your home. This is neither wrong nor should it come as a surprise to anyone. . |
Castor Troyy
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
22
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Posted - 2013.02.26 17:13:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Still I'd stick to the argument that when you face a credible threat of eviction, you always err on the side of caution and go for maximal escalation to defend your home. This is neither wrong nor should it come as a surprise to anyone.
When you are attempting to invade/evict someone this should be expected. Also, invasions doesn't always imply evictions. I understand Bitten's need for more than 3 caps, b/w us and them I don't know of anyone else who will fight outgunned or outnumbered, or both. A comment was made about fair fights, that Bitten fights only when they have the advantage or some Ace in the Hole. I don't think this only applies to bitten, and in fact, it applies to alot of the bigger wh entities. When you have twice the numbers and don't fight. Don't make a public post about it. Don't say you have it covered and then batphone.
Let's be clear, the only reason there wasn't a fight was because of the capital numbers artic light was going up against. If it were only 3 dreads it would have been a good 'ole fashioned capital blob. Bitten would have gotten blapped and then Artic Light would have surely patted themselves on the back about what awesome spaceship pilots they are. But because Artic Light would have lost capitals, they were out. They batphone and then this mindless post goes on and on and on about what could have happened.
Next time Bitten, Have a contingency plan. Expect whoever you are invading to not fight, and expect them to batphone, expect those c6 guys to roll into this target system. But remember whether u are outmanned, out gunned or out classed, there are other large wh entities that can roll into that same system too. All you have to do is ask |
Brinxter
Bite Me inc Bitten.
18
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Posted - 2013.02.26 17:49:00 -
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Castor Troyy wrote:Next time Bitten, Have a contingency plan. Expect whoever you are invading to not fight, and expect them to batphone, expect those c6 guys to roll into this target system. But remember whether u are outmanned, out gunned or out classed, there are other large wh entities that can roll into that same system too. All you have to do is ask
There was, it got snafu'd
I hate blueballing just as much as the next wh guy, and i believe that if something like this where to happen to anyone else, and we'd connect, we'd pick no sides, and just try to kill anything we find. Some time ago, we rolled into an eviction of some sorts, and where just shy of dropping the siegers, if we had succeeded, we would have probably picked up where they had left, no point in letting sieged towers go to waste with caps in system... |
Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters Talocan United
95
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Posted - 2013.02.26 20:10:00 -
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Surfs Down wrote:I think is AHARMS attempt at being relevant again in WH space. So they came in and scoped up the ball and said that you can't play anymore.
Confirming the words of no name alts mean nothing. Post with your main or GTFO CCP please consider hats as a clothing option for our spaceship barbies.-á
Artist impression of what this could potentially be http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t66/ROBC5Z06/sithsig_zps86971c83.jpg |
Zara Arran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2013.02.26 20:19:00 -
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I don't get any of this. Why is there always a thread on these forums when an invasion occurs?
Bane Nucleus wrote:So attempting to evict Hard Knocks, even though they fight, is ok. However, evicting Arctic Light is a huge no-no because they fight. The line seems a bit blurred at the moment. Why does there need to be any kind of line at all? Like I posted before, why not let everyone play their own game. Invade for their own reasons.. Help defend or attack whoever they want for whatever reason they want? In my honest opinion, W-space needs to do less typing on forums and more fighting.
Bite me inc: You knew very well that there was a big chance NoHo/AHARM would show up. Don't be surprised, be prepared. -á |
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Nix Anteris
Bite Me inc Bitten.
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Posted - 2013.02.26 20:47:00 -
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Surfs Down wrote:I think is AHARMS attempt at being relevant again in WH space. So they came in and scoped up the ball and said that you can't play anymore.
I guess I've never been so happy to be irrelevant ;)
Zara Arran wrote: Bite me inc: You knew very well that there was a big chance NoHo/AHARM would show up. Don't be surprised, be prepared.
We're not surprised. We knew they'd be coming along before they did (since we knew we were invading before they did, and we know who the jerkers keep their hands warm for).
Their little game of politics is predictable and boring. I guess we just hoped that the PRNG would deal in our favour for a while.
Paramapataparatatapara Swift wrote: blah blah blah
Riddled with factual and chronological errors, bad assumptions and omissions.
Paramapataparatatapara Swift wrote: Worth to note is, that Bitten. also had some help. They had also members of Hobos with a Railgun -corporation with their fleet in our wormhole. We also learned, that they have a POS at Bitten. homesystem. Therefore, we knew now that Bitten. was not alone with this.
Hobos have been rolling with us for around a month now I believe. They were not drafted in specifically for you guys, and their numbers are included in every one of our own reports about our fleet size. Don't flatter yourselves.
They laughed quite hard on comms at the notion you had to call in two extra corps to deal with the 2-3 Hobos who were in your system with us.
Paramapataparatatapara Swift wrote:knowing Bitten. reputation of not usually fighting except when they are certain to win, we believed that they either had very strong unseen reserves or strong help incoming.
We had strong unseen reserves of balls deep.
Actually, it wasn't that unseen. You forgot to mention the occasion we warped a solo dread to one of your towers and you guys just watched it.
Or the time you got one of our caps in a safe spot as he was logging out, and we warped everything we had online (around half of the original fleet), and you guys tucked tail and hid again.
Funny how you mention you provided a "chance to fight" right at the end there, then accuse us of not taking you up on it. Right at the end there after you got AH, Norcorp, and your random reinforcements in. So much for "intel". Dunce. |
Carla Messer
Hard Knocks Inc.
26
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Posted - 2013.02.26 21:09:00 -
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Rational actors taking rational actions. People attempting to justify and moralize. Nothing to see here. |
Brinxter
Bite Me inc Bitten.
18
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Posted - 2013.02.26 22:49:00 -
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Nix Anteris wrote:Surfs Down wrote:knowing Bitten. reputation of not usually fighting except when they are certain to win, we believed that they either had very strong unseen reserves or strong help incoming. We had strong unseen reserves of balls deep.
I just have to comment on this, the amount of times we went into something, with every single member of the fleet knowing we are probably just whelping our fleet, and STILL coming out on top, is mind boggling. Better yet, for some reason, we even take next to no losses most of the time.
It pays off to be balsy, and we wouldnt have it any other way. And yes, we do whelp sometimes, and it wont stop us from doing it again.
Really, i love the guys in this corp, and would follow them anywhere, because they'd do the same for me. |
Xtrah
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
28
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Posted - 2013.02.27 12:13:00 -
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Brinxter wrote:Nix Anteris wrote:Surfs Down wrote:knowing Bitten. reputation of not usually fighting except when they are certain to win, we believed that they either had very strong unseen reserves or strong help incoming. We had strong unseen reserves of balls deep. I just have to comment on this, the amount of times we went into something, with every single member of the fleet knowing we are probably just whelping our fleet, and STILL coming out on top, is mind boggling. Better yet, for some reason, we even take next to no losses most of the time. It pays off to be balsy, and we wouldnt have it any other way. And yes, we do whelp sometimes, and it wont stop us from doing it again. Really, i love the guys in this corp, and would follow them anywhere, because they'd do the same for me.
I'm gonna put this here again, you might have fought others on the conditions mentioned above, but;
Xtrah wrote:We've also never experienced Bitten taking a fair fight unless they have an edge we don't know about. If it's either putting a couple of Orcas through a hole, so whoever wants to fight them through their hole accidentally collapses themselves on their side - or the more recent 8-10 Bhaalgorns logged off/hidden until the other side commits to a fight. We expected a trap, Bitten's reputation pointed to them never taking such a fight outnumbered in people and resources, especially in someones home system.
Anyone would batphone if they suspected they are getting evicted, as you can never be sure you have all intel, how many hostiles who's actually logged off in your system and so on. When your home and assets are at stake, it doesn't matter how great you outnumber the initial attacking force when it might be a trap as mentioned by Hamatitio earlier (page 4?). I actually encouraged AHARM to come all along, just to blob Bitten and annoy Tuna even further. NoHo brought about 20 subcaps into this, if there was an unknown associate or some ace in the hole the we didn't know about (as that's what previous experienced with Bitten pointed to as mentioned above), our 20 subs would probably not do any difference. However I'm not denying we had caps logged off in system waiting for Bitten's backup
Now I believe Carla is right, thread is just going on with the same arguments and won't go any further than this. I've justified NoHos part in this "counterinvasion" (as that's what it was for us), as the person actually doing the diplo (and the "self righteous" person that talked to Fraddle with Corbexx when Tuna refused to). If you choose to listen or not, that's up to you. You can complain or call us names, but when it comes down to it we are the winners here because of your tactical mistakes and bad reputation which basically is the reason we showed up. |
Fradle
Bite Me inc Bitten.
44
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:12:00 -
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Xtrah wrote:bad reputation which basically is the reason we showed up. Pack everything up boys, we can't do anything because the other kids on the playground don't like us. |
Nix Anteris
Bite Me inc Bitten.
11
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:42:00 -
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Xtrah wrote:if there was an unknown associate or some ace in the hole the we didn't know about (as that's what previous experiences with Bitten pointed to as mentioned above) Previous experience would never have indicated "unknown associates". Aces aces everywhere though.
Xtrah wrote:but when it comes down to it we are the winners here because of your tactical mistakes and bad reputation which basically is the reason we showed up. Not sure how you're quantifying "winning" to be honest.
The ISK war? The collective time wasted war? The "made bold claims then lived up to them" war?
You didn't win any of those.
I think our reputation is quite the opposite of "bad" too, actually. It seems to me we're considered quite a threat, and I'd call that a good reputation to have ;) |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Existential Anxiety
379
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Posted - 2013.02.28 00:37:00 -
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What should I get for dinner? Chinese or Italian? Alliance CEO, Diplomat, Recruiter |
Fradle
Bite Me inc Bitten.
45
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Posted - 2013.02.28 00:43:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:What should I get for dinner? Chinese or Italian? Thai. |
Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
66
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Posted - 2013.02.28 01:05:00 -
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Bane Nucleus wrote:What should I get for dinner? Chinese or Italian?
What an interesting thread.
This helped greatly.
Chinese it is. |
Serendipity Lost
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
37
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:14:00 -
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Confirming Bane is contribuing at his maximum capacity. Please do not attempt to stifle the lad. When he gets frustrated he goes into 'juggernaught mode' and there is not stopping him. |
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Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
66
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Posted - 2013.02.28 17:16:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Confirming Bane is contribuing at his maximum capacity. Please do not attempt to stifle the lad. When he gets frustrated he goes into 'juggernaught mode' and there is no stopping him.
Just so long as that juggernaught is bringing me my General Tsao's chicken and eggrolls. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
2098
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Posted - 2013.02.28 18:24:00 -
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EVE Online: 6 pages of badposting and in the end Finland wins.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Fradle
Bite Me inc Bitten.
46
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Posted - 2013.02.28 19:13:00 -
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Roime wrote:EVE Online: 6 pages of badposting and in the end Finland wins. And many alt/nobody posts. |
Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
66
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Posted - 2013.02.28 20:01:00 -
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Fradle wrote:Roime wrote:EVE Online: 6 pages of badposting and in the end Finland wins. And many alt/nobody posts.
Don't be mad.
So the eviction didn't go as planned.
There's always Chinese food! |
Pax Thar
Sovereign Front
48
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Posted - 2013.03.02 20:18:00 -
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+1 for Biten. You guys got guts. Kudos for forcing them to call in help. |
Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Bitten.
147
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Posted - 2013.03.03 00:27:00 -
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Pax Thar wrote:+1 for Biten. You guys got guts. Kudos for forcing them to call in help.
we didnt want them to call help, we wanted to take them on, on their own territory
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Tisisan
Hard Knocks Inc.
110
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Posted - 2013.03.04 21:54:00 -
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While the whole 'they shouldn't have called for help' thing is bull, I can confirm that Arctic Light are pussies who roll when presented with the opportunity for a fight in a neutral hole. |
Torshawna
Cold Moon Destruction Transmission Lost
6
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Posted - 2013.03.05 14:26:00 -
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I don't know what you guys are talking about with Arctic Light not fighting. They gave us a good fight yesterday.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16666713 |
Tisisan
Hard Knocks Inc.
110
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Posted - 2013.03.05 15:02:00 -
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Lucky you, they jumped our scout yesterday, then rolled lickety-split as we got a fleet together a couple holes away. |
Dr Agropoly
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
11
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Posted - 2013.03.05 18:09:00 -
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Battle hulk, best hulk.
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