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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.13 00:02:00 -
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Hello Space Friends;
During the course of my forum posting adventures, I have come across people arguing with each other in a thread. No, for real, I swear it's true. I wouldn't like to you about something like this. Or at all, because I am always honest. Back on topic, it seems that there is some disagreement among the EVE General Discussion crowd about what exactly constitutes a "carebear" in EVE Online the popular space-themed MMO produced by CCP, hf. I would like to solicit the opinions of my dearest and most upstanding friends to determine the proper definition. The purpose of this solicitation is to create a definitive definition which I can later reference whenever the topic is broached in conversation. I am honestly very confused by all the different people using different meanings of the word, and I think a single meaning agreed upon by at least two people in this thread would be helpful in future instances where I feel like thumping my chest and thumbing my nose at someone else's lack of space popularity. |
Angry Onions
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.13 00:08:00 -
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Carebear would be someone who gets butthurt over internet spaceship pixels. E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your Carebear tears fuel us |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
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Posted - 2011.10.13 00:54:00 -
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Why's everyone so concerned with labels? |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.13 00:55:00 -
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A carebear is someone that is too afraid of their own shadow to do anything anywhere at anytime. Mainly those that sit in hisec complaining about Adrenaline Junkies, Drunks, Brawlers, Haters, Griefers, Hethens, Miscreants, Pirates, and general ne'er do wells.
Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Officer Nyota Uhura
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Posted - 2011.10.13 01:05:00 -
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Carebear
n. A pilot who gets all excited about shooting space pixels that don't shoot back.
"Darius III is the biggest carebear fagget I know." "No, Nyota Uhura, that fukcing shipspinner, is even bigger." "Wow. Just wow."
v. (intransitive) 1. To engage in spaceship activities that would not, strictly speaking, require being online due to lack of real human player interaction. 2. To escape one's duties towards one's corporation or alliance while collecting ISK instead.
"Nyota was carebearing throughout the whole CTA again." "Pod that maggot again and bring me her frozen body."
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.13 01:23:00 -
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Officer Nyota Uhura wrote:Carebear
n. A pilot who gets all excited about shooting space pixels that don't shoot back.
"Darius III is the biggest carebear fagget I know." "No, Nyota Uhura, that fukcing shipspinner, is even bigger." "Wow. Just wow."
v. (intransitive) 1. To engage in spaceship activities that would not, strictly speaking, require being online due to lack of real human player interaction. 2. To escape one's duties towards one's corporation or alliance while collecting ISK instead.
"Nyota was carebearing throughout the whole CTA again." "Pod that maggot again and bring me her frozen body."
So long as you include Hulks, Retrievers, and pretty much any anything that just dies in seconds in the first example it pretty much covers the entire population of EVE. For example; Hammer Hulks all day, they cannot fight back personally and no matter how you play it from those teary messages of hate sent to your mail box you use for erotic literature and mentally ********** to, some hokey religion jihading about protecting rocks with blasters , or trying to control virtual markets like a real world CEO yet you live in a trailer in RL...the end result is the same. Hulks just freaking die, along with Macks, Retrievers, any thing that is just the snooze fest that is called mining and they cannot really shoot back regardless if T2 drones are circling them cause you hammer them so fast they die before the drones can really respond. They can't shoot back, you win, your a carebear while CONCORD comes in to give you a gold stick for your kill board.
And same thing applies to mission ships, in order of superiority its PVP > PVE > NPC so in effect if your picking on PVE ships in your PVP fit with the advantage the PVE not fitting a scram, web, or buffer fit your basicly a ***** that picks on ships that cannot fight back effectively (cause have any mission ship really won a fight against another player PVP ship?) just as much as a PVE ship that only blasts NPC ships. Yeah, pretty much if it can't fight back your just awesome at destroying it...amirite?
Yeah, pretty much everyone is a carebear. |
Moustached Slimy Worm
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2011.10.13 01:29:00 -
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A player who grinds PvE activities (such as incursions, mining, and missioning), sees Eve as a linear game with "progression" (for example, "working" from a Drake to a CNR), and complains about non-consensual PvP. |
Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2011.10.13 01:29:00 -
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Quote:Slang Dictionary
carebear definition
n. a nice person who is against violence and disputes. (Especially in the domain of computer games. From the name of a set of lovable children's characters.) : These carebears don't want us to play the really good games!
I'd have to agree with the sentiments of some posters... everyone is a carebaer in some shape form or fashion. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2011.10.13 01:38:00 -
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I've always used "carebear" as some mix of these three things:
1) Anyone who thinks they should be able to do whatever their chosen activity is with no interference by other players and no threat to their precious whatevers. This group breaks down into: missionbears, incursion bears, miners, and nullbears. These are the guys who want CCP to make things ever easier for what THEY do, often at the expense of the rest of the community.
2) Anyone who over-invests in something and becomes outraged when it is lost or stolen. These people did not pay attention to the First Rule of Eve: "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose."
3) People who think everyone should approach this game with their same sense of morality and play the game on their terms, regardless of what the game rules and mechanics are designed to allow.
I sometimes refer to myself as a former carebear, but the truth is I can't really see myself as that now that I think about it. I thought little of losing ships and accepted it as a risk of the wormhole daytripping that I did. While I sometimes marvelled at what might possess someone to want to play a certain way, I certainly never demanded or expected everyone to abide by my rules. So I guess I wasn't so much a carebear as just a dude making isk at PvE and avoiding risk as best I could. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.13 01:39:00 -
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a carebear is someone who plays the way they want to play without telling others the way they should play, example, a lot of people ***** that people mine, miners do NOT ***** that people kill each other in nullsec.. since miners dont ***** about nullsec kiddies they are carebears, because they don't care. |
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2011.10.13 01:39:00 -
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Moustached Slimy Worm wrote:A player who grinds PvE activities (such as incursions, mining, and missioning), sees Eve as a linear game with "progression" (for example, "working" from a Drake to a CNR), and complains about non-consensual PvP.
With all those Incursion fleets you've been forming up, you're the biggest carebear I know. |
Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
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Posted - 2011.10.13 01:43:00 -
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Somebody who avoids risk of any type, be it financial or otherwise.
So a highsec industrialist or trader who invests large quantities in isk in ways which may or may not pay off is not a carebear, while on the other hand, a 0.0 sanctum runner who won't x up to defend the system when needed is a carebear. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2011.10.13 01:54:00 -
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Anyone who says "I don't PVP". |
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.10.13 01:54:00 -
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This seems like it would fit in better in new citizens Q&A along with the other noob questions. GÖÑ Haviing your portrait painted here helps INTAKI Disabled Children GÖÑ |
Kagan Storm
Syndicated Systems
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Posted - 2011.10.13 01:57:00 -
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Im a Carebear and proud of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Care_Bears
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Care_Bear_characters
Like if you are also a carebear Offering small loans. Send message for details and arrangements. :)
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Crudamus
Shut Up And Play
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Posted - 2011.10.13 02:08:00 -
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Someone who leans to enjoy the NPC aspect of a game, vs player controled |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2011.10.13 02:08:00 -
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Kagan Storm wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Care_Bear_characters
America Cares Bear (2003) is a happy, patriotic, and energetic bear who believes that America's greatest strengths are caring, helping others, and teamwork; evidently an attempt by the American regime to cover up their global atrocities by targetting the fragile mind of the world's youth.
First I 'd then I 'd |
Livini Naship
STAHLSTURM ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.10.13 03:04:00 -
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you're a carebear lyris nairn, and if you wouldn't take that much care of this forum it would be much more fun to read it. |
Desudes
Pixelmoon The Star League
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Posted - 2011.10.13 03:36:00 -
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For EVE I'd say people with positive sec status automatically qualify. EVE PvP reminds me of sex: there is a long build-up often made frustrating by idiots; a semi-tense and semi-fun stretch to get into business that you try to keep quick; an all too short climax where you pray nothing goes wrong, and you're probably going to go home with less money then you started with. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
120
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Posted - 2011.10.13 04:23:00 -
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Desudes wrote:For EVE I'd say people with positive sec status automatically qualify.
orly.
2.44 baby (last I looked)
Kills on neutrals with aggression, war targets, and those in wormholes and nullsec have no impact on sec status. it's possible to acquire quite a lot of kills without going negative. I'm just getting started. |
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Nephilius
Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co.
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Posted - 2011.10.13 04:48:00 -
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Moustached Slimy Worm wrote:A player who grinds PvE activities (such as incursions, mining, and missioning), sees Eve as a linear game with "progression" (for example, "working" from a Drake to a CNR), and complains about non-consensual PvP.
Funny, I find that those who gank or Neutral RR are carebears. So between our two definitions, pretty much the entire population within New Eden. Cool. The door behind the toon you spin contains the secrets behind life, the universe and everything. |
Pugzilla Black
ACE Salvage Company
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Posted - 2011.10.13 06:20:00 -
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Kagan Storm wrote:}
If you need a deeper explanation of what is a carebear its not that simple. Best way to put it is to show differences between carebears and everybody else:
EX 1.)
Non carebears go like this:
Rifter ---> wolf --> dictor ---> hac ---> ??? ----> suicide brutix ---> arti tyfoon....
Carebears go like this:
Retriver ---> hulk ---> orca ---> transport ships ---> freighter --- JF ----> Super cap....
As you can see "a carebear ships" never costs less then 200 mill.... maybe at some/early stages it costs less but its totaly cool if you have 2 faction mods on it at all times.
Don't forget about blockade runners in the carebear progression of ships. Sliding past a pack of gate campers is a pretty good rush.
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Alestra Antares
Targaryen Protectorate
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Posted - 2011.10.13 06:41:00 -
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miner |
Tora Oni
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.13 07:08:00 -
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Can we also have a description of a "DontCareBear" |
Freyh
ClownStar
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Posted - 2011.10.13 07:30:00 -
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The whole carebear thingy is old and outdated. I prefer the term "whiners" and "mad" instead. Those people are way more interesting than a Carebear will ever get.
One of the reason that the Mad and Whining people are so interesting is that you never know where they will pop up. You can wardecc a 0.0 alliance and get a convo from a Whiner. Just like that he appears and complain about our little wardecc because it somehow dident fit into his plans.
The mad people, the ones that fills local with manly talk and then melts like icecream when you finally close your trap. They are my favourite. They are the ones that send mails about how they are gonna send a hailstorm of revenge upon you. I like those. I call them my special snowflakes.
And then you can infiltrate a mining corp and kill the ceo's Orca, expecting to get carebear tears flowing into your coffins, but you get nothing.
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Xuse Senna
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.10.13 08:01:00 -
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If you have to ask, You Shall be a Bear xD http://tinyurl.com/Qucked
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Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
27
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Posted - 2011.10.13 09:59:00 -
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The easiest definition I've seen is - any character who participates in activities in the game that does not involve shooting other players to make ISK - at any time.
By that definition - pretty close to every player in EVE is a carebear at one time or another across their career.
"don't rat in nullsec you carebear" "sleepers? try other players you carebear" "all miners are carebears" yada... yada...
Amazingly - the bulk of those who call others carebears have alts that do this for them or find ways to make isk that has virtually zero risk to themselves (passive income, moon goo harvesting, etc...) |
Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER Monkey Circus
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Posted - 2011.10.13 10:14:00 -
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It's not about how you make your ISK but what you do with that ISK afterwards. Accumulate it and pimp your PVE pinata, or buy some ships and sink them in pretty explosions with your fellow co-players. |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
27
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Posted - 2011.10.13 10:33:00 -
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Sutskop wrote:It's not about how you make your ISK but what you do with that ISK afterwards. Accumulate it and pimp your PVE pinata, or buy some ships and sink them in pretty explosions with your fellow co-players.
Opinion there - the quotes I put in you can find across these forums - from CAOD through general chat.
The word is virtually meaningless when used so broadly in this game and the use is the definition these days or we wouldn't language filter many words with dictionary definitions on forums. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
109
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Posted - 2011.10.13 10:56:00 -
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Carebear thread |
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