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Zilero
The Littlest Hobos Whores in space
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:02:00 -
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There is a way to exploit current suspect mechanics making you unable to remote repair your corp/alliance mate without going suspect.
Basically it goes like this:
1. Someone not at war with you shoot the target that is being repped.
2. That someone gets concorded and if anyone on your side shoots and/or scrams or in other ways attack this guy you get a limited engagement timer .
3. You now have a limited engagement timer and can no longer be repped by your alliance/corp mate without going suspect.
4. The corp/alliance you have a war with are now free to shoot you because you can no longer receive remote reps.
I suggest this is fixed so you no longer get a limited engagement timer when shooting a criminal.
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Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:06:00 -
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Zilero wrote:There is a way to exploit current suspect mechanics making you unable to remote repair your corp/alliance mate without going suspect.
Basically it goes like this:
1. Someone not at war with you shoot the target that is being repped.
2. That someone gets concorded and if anyone on your side shoots and/or scrams or in other ways attack this guy you get a limited engagement timer .
3. You now have a limited engagement timer and can no longer be repped by your alliance/corp mate without going suspect.
4. The corp/alliance you have a war with are now free to shoot you because you can no longer receive remote reps.
I suggest this is fixed so you no longer get a limited engagement timer when shooting a criminal.
This is not an exploit, but the way Crimewatch 2.0 is designed to work. No one (including the criminal) is forcing you or your alliance mates to have poor fleet discipline and attack the person who has gone GCC, thus giving yourselves the LE timer. Furthermore this does not prevent you from receiving remote reps - it just means your reps need to go suspect.
Learn to play the game before bitching on the forums. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:08:00 -
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Not seeing an exploit here. |
Zilero
The Littlest Hobos Whores in space
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:08:00 -
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Adriel Malakai wrote:
This is not an exploit, but the way Crimewatch 2.0 is designed to work. No one (including the criminal) is forcing you or your alliance mates to have poor fleet discipline and attack the person who has gone GCC, thus giving yourselves the LE timer. Furthermore this does not prevent you from receiving remote reps - it just means your reps need to go suspect.
Learn to play the game before bitching on the forums.
This was done deliberately twice in the last 30 minutes when engaging wartargets.
Do the math.
Getting a flag where you can not be remote repped for shooting a criminal is a wrong mechanic and open for abuse.
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Utremi Fasolasi
The Jagged Edge Rebel Alliance of New Eden
183
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:11:00 -
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Zilero wrote:Adriel Malakai wrote:
This is not an exploit, but the way Crimewatch 2.0 is designed to work. No one (including the criminal) is forcing you or your alliance mates to have poor fleet discipline and attack the person who has gone GCC, thus giving yourselves the LE timer. Furthermore this does not prevent you from receiving remote reps - it just means your reps need to go suspect.
Learn to play the game before bitching on the forums.
This was done deliberately twice in the last 30 minutes when engaging wartargets. Do the math. Getting a flag where you can not be remote repped for shooting a criminal is a wrong mechanic and open for abuse.
Go back and re-read the dev blogs and patch notes. This was designed to prevent repping without consequences. |
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:12:00 -
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Zilero wrote:This was done deliberately twice in the last 30 minutes when engaging wartargets.
Do the math.
Getting a flag where you can not be remote repped for shooting a criminal is a wrong mechanic and open for abuse.
Again, this is a problem with your pilots being dumb, not with the mechanics. No one is forcing you to shoot the dude going GCC. No one is forcing you to get that LE timer. Your own choices to get on a mail are having an adverse impact on your ability to engage your war targets.
Don't be an killwhore, and it won't be a problem. Otherwise, learn to deal with suspect reps - it's really not that difficult. |
Feledain
Rorqual Industry Empire Monkey Circus
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:14:00 -
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Zilero wrote: 2. That someone gets concorded and if anyone on your side shoots and/or scrams or in other ways attack this guy you get a limited engagement timer .
Just dont shoot back?
Concord takes care of these fast enough. |
Ptraci
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
1305
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:21:00 -
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Zilero wrote: This was done deliberately twice in the last 30 minutes when engaging wartargets.
And you fell for it twice?
No one is forcing you to engage the first person in the throwaway ship. Watch them get concorded, get repped in the meantime (because no one gets a flag if you don't shoot at all) laugh, and stay calm.
Your itchy trigger finger must be punished, just like not being able to dock/jump through a gate for a minute when agressed. You don't HAVE to agress. |
Zilero
The Littlest Hobos Whores in space
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:21:00 -
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Feledain wrote:Zilero wrote: 2. That someone gets concorded and if anyone on your side shoots and/or scrams or in other ways attack this guy you get a limited engagement timer .
Just dont shoot back? Concord takes care of these fast enough.
Show me where on the "auto aggro" drone setting I have the possibility to avoid attacking a criminal shooting me?
Oh, I don't - ergo: Auto aggro drone settings coupled with suicide shooting + limited engagement timer = exploit. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:22:00 -
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You being dumb is not an exploit. |
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Zilero
The Littlest Hobos Whores in space
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:24:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Zilero wrote: This was done deliberately twice in the last 30 minutes when engaging wartargets.
And you fell for it twice? No one is forcing you to engage the first person in the throwaway ship. Watch them get concorded, get repped in the meantime (because no one gets a flag if you don't shoot at all) laugh, and stay calm. Your itchy trigger finger must be punished, just like not being able to dock/jump through a gate for a minute when agressed. You don't HAVE to agress.
No, first time no drones was out with auto aggro and hence we had no idea why someone would do it (other than: LOL, stupid)
Second time drones were out with auto aggro and the "LOL, stupid" was reversed .
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Zilero
The Littlest Hobos Whores in space
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:24:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:You being dumb is not an exploit.
Keep trolling, its entertaining. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:27:00 -
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If you were smart and your logistics were neutral they'd be going suspect anyway and this wouldn't be a problem. |
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:28:00 -
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Zilero wrote:No, first time no drones was out with auto aggro and hence we had no idea why someone would do it (other than: LOL, stupid) Second time drones were out with auto aggro and the "LOL, stupid" was reversed .
Having your drones on aggressive is a choice you made regarding your settings. Couple that with your choice to deploy drones and you have yourself in this situation. It is no different that you having them out and set to aggressive and a WT legally shooting you, causing you to get a weapons timer so you can't dock.
These aren't exploits, these are the logical consequences of your choices. If you don't like the consequences, then don't make those choices. Either way, don't come whining on the forum when it's your own fault. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5394
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:30:00 -
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To think we passed up this idea thinking nobody would be daft enough to fall for it let alone rage on the forums.
OP, stop being a baby and adapt. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
386
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:31:00 -
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So what good is corp logi for in hisec? As apparently using them as back up for suspect/bounty hunting is a no go in any populated space. |
Zilero
The Littlest Hobos Whores in space
46
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:31:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:If you were smart and your logistics were neutral they'd be going suspect anyway and this wouldn't be a problem.
Well, I do believe its a problem when someone in the other fleet can force (with auto aggroing drones) your logistics to go suspect making them targets for everyone who the rest of your fleet can't shoot... (or removing repairs from the person being shot at).
Besides, by the time you switch your safety from green to yellow and/or realize reps are not cycling the person might be dead. |
Zilero
The Littlest Hobos Whores in space
46
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:33:00 -
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Adriel Malakai wrote:Zilero wrote:No, first time no drones was out with auto aggro and hence we had no idea why someone would do it (other than: LOL, stupid) Second time drones were out with auto aggro and the "LOL, stupid" was reversed . Having your drones on aggressive is a choice you made regarding your settings. Couple that with your choice to deploy drones and you have yourself in this situation. It is no different that you having them out and set to aggressive and a WT legally shooting you, causing you to get a weapons timer so you can't dock. These aren't exploits, these are the logical consequences of your choices. If you don't like the consequences, then don't make those choices. Either way, don't come whining on the forum when it's your own fault.
I have no problem with turning drone aggro off now I know this is possible - my gripe is why its possible to start with and in this instance it being an obvious exploit of game mechanics (that I doubt was intended, but hey who knows how CCP thinks). |
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:33:00 -
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Zilero wrote:Well, I do believe its a problem when someone in the other fleet can force (with auto aggroing drones) your logistics to go suspect making them targets for everyone who the rest of your fleet can't shoot... (or removing repairs from the person being shot at).
Besides, by the time you switch your safety from green to yellow and/or realize reps are not cycling the person might be dead.
Again, this is caused by your own choices. Make better choices, or deal with the consequences of the ones you make. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
386
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:33:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:To think we passed up this idea thinking nobody would be daft enough to fall for it let alone rage on the forums.
OP, stop being a baby and adapt. I admit I was having fun with prophecy threw drones out, accepted a duel a few minutes later and was not expecting my drones to engage. I lived though thanks to ecm drones (whoever said these would always jam first cycle needs to learn the definitions of first cycle and jam) and the fact I was tanked to 130k EHP |
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Zilero
The Littlest Hobos Whores in space
46
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:34:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:So what good is corp logi for in hisec? As apparently using them as back up for suspect/bounty hunting is a no go in any populated space.
Its quite obvious - CCP do not think hisec warfare should in any way be viable when the mechanics work like this. |
Nex apparatu5
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
461
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:34:00 -
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Zilero wrote:Adriel Malakai wrote:Zilero wrote:No, first time no drones was out with auto aggro and hence we had no idea why someone would do it (other than: LOL, stupid) Second time drones were out with auto aggro and the "LOL, stupid" was reversed . Having your drones on aggressive is a choice you made regarding your settings. Couple that with your choice to deploy drones and you have yourself in this situation. It is no different that you having them out and set to aggressive and a WT legally shooting you, causing you to get a weapons timer so you can't dock. These aren't exploits, these are the logical consequences of your choices. If you don't like the consequences, then don't make those choices. Either way, don't come whining on the forum when it's your own fault. I have no problem with turning drone aggro off now I know this is possible - my gripe is why its possible to start with and in this instance it being an obvious exploit of game mechanics (that I doubt was intended, but hey who knows how CCP thinks).
Still not an exploit |
Celeritas 5k
Connoisseurs of Candid Coitus
46
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:37:00 -
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Zilero wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:You being dumb is not an exploit. Keep trolling, its entertaining.
He's not trolling, he's speaking the truth. |
Zilero
The Littlest Hobos Whores in space
46
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:37:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:Zilero wrote:Adriel Malakai wrote:Zilero wrote:No, first time no drones was out with auto aggro and hence we had no idea why someone would do it (other than: LOL, stupid) Second time drones were out with auto aggro and the "LOL, stupid" was reversed . Having your drones on aggressive is a choice you made regarding your settings. Couple that with your choice to deploy drones and you have yourself in this situation. It is no different that you having them out and set to aggressive and a WT legally shooting you, causing you to get a weapons timer so you can't dock. These aren't exploits, these are the logical consequences of your choices. If you don't like the consequences, then don't make those choices. Either way, don't come whining on the forum when it's your own fault. I have no problem with turning drone aggro off now I know this is possible - my gripe is why its possible to start with and in this instance it being an obvious exploit of game mechanics (that I doubt was intended, but hey who knows how CCP thinks). Still not an exploit
In the end we'll have to see what CCP says. |
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
265
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:40:00 -
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Zilero wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:So what good is corp logi for in hisec? As apparently using them as back up for suspect/bounty hunting is a no go in any populated space. Its quite obvious - CCP do not think hisec warfare should in any way be viable when the mechanics work like this.
No, HS warfare is completely doable without gaining any sort of suspect flags, if your pilots are disciplined enough to not gain additional flags when they don't need to. What Crimewatch 2.0 does enforce is that you cannot engage people and have your reps be invulnerable. If you want to shoot the undesirable who went suspect, then you have to either do it without reps, or accept that your reps can be attacked for helping you.
If you're even remotely capable, reps going suspect is not a problem and can be handled trivially. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5394
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:41:00 -
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Zilero wrote:
In the end we'll have to see what CCP says.
Around here we all call it emergent gameplay. This is not an exploit just another tactic. |
Ptraci
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
1305
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:41:00 -
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Zilero wrote: In the end we'll have to see what CCP says.
Yes we will. And your sorry backside will ragequit and go back to World of Warcraft. Everything you have said points to it being your fault and participating in the process. I don't see why an entire game has to be rewritten around idiots.
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Nex apparatu5
Friendship is Podding Test Alliance Please Ignore
461
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:41:00 -
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Zilero wrote:Nex apparatu5 wrote:Zilero wrote:Adriel Malakai wrote:Zilero wrote:No, first time no drones was out with auto aggro and hence we had no idea why someone would do it (other than: LOL, stupid) Second time drones were out with auto aggro and the "LOL, stupid" was reversed . Having your drones on aggressive is a choice you made regarding your settings. Couple that with your choice to deploy drones and you have yourself in this situation. It is no different that you having them out and set to aggressive and a WT legally shooting you, causing you to get a weapons timer so you can't dock. These aren't exploits, these are the logical consequences of your choices. If you don't like the consequences, then don't make those choices. Either way, don't come whining on the forum when it's your own fault. I have no problem with turning drone aggro off now I know this is possible - my gripe is why its possible to start with and in this instance it being an obvious exploit of game mechanics (that I doubt was intended, but hey who knows how CCP thinks). Still not an exploit In the end we'll have to see what CCP says.
CCP says that if you shoot a non-wartarget, you get a limited engagement flag. You shot a non-wartarget. I'm failing to see a disconnect.
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Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:42:00 -
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Zilero wrote:In the end we'll have to see what CCP says.
They'll say that it's working as intended, assuming any of them actually have a thorough enough understanding of the mechanics to follow what happened.
Frankly, the thing I find most displeasing about this situation is that you're in Whores in space, who do some amazing work killing JFs. It's a shame they have such incompetent, whining downies such as yourself dragging their reputable name into the realms of idiocy. |
Zilero
The Littlest Hobos Whores in space
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Posted - 2013.02.23 17:43:00 -
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The difference here being it was a deliberate action caused by said wartargets.
I guess nobody can see that so I'll just shut up now . |
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