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Hebrang
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.13 04:07:00 -
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Issue no.1
Lets start with simple economics:
Company A and B make a very similar product and they both have a loyal base of consumers, but it isent enough for them so they both fight for each others customers devising cleaver strategies and bla bla bla.....
Can we stop with CMS, and "you have a voice" and all the whatevers designed to keep the current playerbase arround and start devising ways go get fresh people/blood/bodily fluids into EVE cause its not fun anymore. On average each person has 2 accounts. That is not normal. Needing more then 1 account to pay a game...
You have to light your own cynos, boost your own self in mining opses, and so forth.... (lets not get to technical here)
Number of active accounts has nothing to do people. Cause if you loose 1 person you loose 2 accounts and 6 chars ingame.
So how about we take a nice big old stick and beat somebody up in CCP HQ. Seriously get more people NOT CHARS into the game cause its getting lonely.
If you have not noticed nobody cares about you implementing new forum. Posting is down to nothing. Russians are boycotting the forum. You have maybe 10% of the population here. It should be a hint to you.
Issue no.2
Its kinda connected to issue no 1 but not as much.
Lets remove old fat people from the game that are controlling fun aspects of it. Wormholes was a nice start. Old, fat people that have 6 accounts 700 alts 5000 market orders and have marketing power i will never be able to approach not even in the next 3 years have no hold over WH people. They go in have fun, come out. dump stuff.... Its rather complicated for the old fat people to make ISK work in their favor in WH space. The thing like PL beeing payed to run over NC is rather complicated for WH. you need a lot more people if you wanted to do that.
SO.... i support introduction of more stuff... like WH. Not get lost, cant find a way out OMG sleepers raped me stuff.... but "i live here and i dont care about you, your friends, your e warrioring skills and the ability to cause my life and fun a living hell buy paying random people to irritate me all day, making FCs organizing fights with other FCs just so you can sell abbadons, and using that isk to make more isk so that one day you could be crowned "god" (yes small letter intentional) by causing a whole economic breakdown of EvE.
As i said WH are a nice step in removing power form people and shifting it slowly to organization. Do the same thing for 0.0 sov. Make it so you need more people NOT accounts to hold a grip over some aspect of an area/game.
I am not saying remove all old fat people form the game just limit their effect on the sand box to the retirement home area.
If this is a sandbox why cant i heir somebody like kill them? In real world i could. (little joke here... just didi a mission where i had to deliver some Corporate assassins to some station )
Issue no.3
Back to basic economic.... Learn they enemy and learn form its mistake.... Age of Conan? Why did it die? Short answer? Cause GMs were focusing on "new stuff" and "balancing PVP" instead of just fixing it. I dont know how to brake this to you but 75% of eve population dosent care about supercap nerf... They do a bit... but only in a way that people who wanted to use it for PVE wont buy it but will just pimp out their carriers.
For each thing you implement you have 2 things you did not finish, are broken, or will finish later.
a) added epic arc mission did not finish COSMOS b) fixed epic arc mission added more epic arc missions still did not fix COSMOS c) fixed the fixed epic arcs added pirate epic arcs COSMOS still borken d) stopped adding epic arcs, acheaved status quo for epic arc missions, COSMOS still broken e) added incursions, epic arc still holding together with ducktape, COSMOS still broken f) added guns that move????? Dude... COSMOS
(Word COSMOS is used in text to symbolize stuff ccp needs more then 2 years to fix or has never fixed)
If i know correctly when there is a fire you put it out... STOP DROP AND ROLL. Go to your check list of "broken things in eve" and fix them.
How about winter expansion being the best expansion ever in wich you fix all the things you have been saying you will fix for like 3 + years.... I even have an idea for a background..... minmatar slaves repairing a dam that is leaking lava over a daycare center...
Conclusion:
In short i am starting to feal cheated. I tough EvE is a product. You know something you try to sell.... you innovate, improve, talk to customers about refunding/repairing broken merchandise they have bought form you... But obviously its a mechanic that sells you a broken car and each time you come to him for repairs he brakes another part of it so you would come back.
I dont expect much form people living on a volcano island that name ingame currency after real word currency.... but seriosly flea free to postpone a couple of expansions and fix the broken stuff.... you dont need to buy new... just use glue instead of ducktape.
P.S: fire anybodey in CCP who asks "what is a lemon" and what do broken cars have to do with internet spaceships. A Nobel prize was awarded for this. |
Rawbone
S3MINAL FLUID Below Me.
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Posted - 2011.10.13 05:16:00 -
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I didn't read war and peace either |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.13 09:20:00 -
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Well worded and articulated, insightful and inspiring, a pure essence of wisdom. Will read again.
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Hebrang
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.13 13:26:00 -
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Rawbone wrote:I didn't read war and peace either
You can just read the start of each paragraph... to get the point |
Drake Draconis
Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2011.10.13 14:18:00 -
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Rawbone wrote:I didn't read war and peace either
Yup...waste of time it is.
PS: Came here wanting to know what the hell a lemos was...walked away disgusted. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
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Posted - 2011.10.13 14:34:00 -
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What the hell is a "lemos"? Draculina Alucardi...3rd account canceled, no reason to hold an account for a SC pilot, if you can only use it in PVP ... thanks CCP :)-á Support the cause! Linky |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2011.10.13 14:41:00 -
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TL;DR "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Anachronic
Abacus Industries Group Knights Of Freedoms
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Posted - 2011.10.13 14:56:00 -
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That is a lot of words there. But...I think some of the points are valid but you come across as whining. If I were on the CSM and looking at something that was labeled a proposal, this is not what I would expect to see. You've said what you want CCP to do but you haven't said how you want the features changed (and I'm sorry but remove the influence of the big fat cat industrialists who have six accounts isn't a valid thing to want changed...It's a sandbox and we can't tell people that they can't take control of a market, as that's not how a sandbox works). Anyway I think you hit some good points but few people are going to listen to you because you do sound like you are raging and whining. |
Hebrang
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.13 14:58:00 -
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I agree but its all perception based....
I tried to dum it down so people would understand it....
Besides you cant accuse me of whining about topics like:
get more people in game fix the stuff you promised to fix 3 years ago. |
Anachronic
Abacus Industries Group Knights Of Freedoms
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Posted - 2011.10.13 15:05:00 -
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Hebrang wrote:I agree but its all perception based.... I tried to dum it down so people would understand it.... Besides you cant accuse me of whining about topics like: get more people in game fix the stuff you promised to fix 3 years ago.
I understand that you tried to dumb it down as it were. But you are more likely to get a good solid response from the people who read this forum as well as the CSM reps who are here if you keep it at a higher level of thought. Make a well thought out and well written post and you will get less of the the "TL:DR ****" that you seem to be getting. And no I can accuse you of whining, but that's not what I'm doing, I'm saying you have a valid set of points but because of the dumb down and aggravated tone you sound "whiney". Which is not the same as whining. Just thought that could help |
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.13 20:21:00 -
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Hebrang wrote:I tried to dum it down so people would understand it.... Besides you cant accuse me of whining about topics like: get more people in game fix the stuff you promised to fix 3 years ago.
Most don't need and don't want more people playing their game !!
They are happy with their several accounts and numerous alts because they think their voice worth more than yours.
This game is a real jewel but completely wasted by CCP's bad choices and a large part of it's community.
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Endovior
Brothers At Arms Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.10.13 22:44:00 -
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Trufax: your post gives the impression that you're an empire-only carebear who's whining about getting wardec'd. Less whining, more actual suggestions, mmkay? |
Hebrang
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.13 23:54:00 -
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Can we stay on topic here and not discus what you think person above you is....
EvE Online is sloping into the lemon market and it annoys me... |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2011.10.14 01:56:00 -
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So part of your solution to the perceived problem is to weed out all the people who fund Eve by holding multiple accounts?
There are some REALLY boring but necessary tasks in Eve. A lot of us are willing to pay the extra dollars/isk to fund multiple accounts because no one is willing to do those jobs.
Do you want to sit in an orca watching other people in hulks mine rocks for hours? Is your idea of fun flying a freighter back and forth all day long? Are you willing to sit in Jita working market orders while your corp is out flying fleet?
I own three accounts. I pay for them with PLEX bought off the market. Those two extra accounts allow me to have support ships with me when I need them without forcing another person to be bored while they wait for me to ask them to do something. It's about effiency, too. Adding a dedicated salvager to my wormhole daytripping more than doubled my isk-per-hour.
edit: I'm not even sure what you're talking about when you say "old fat people". Do you mean everyone who doesn't do things the way you want them to? Because that's what it sounds like. |
Epiphaniess
Verboten Technologies
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Posted - 2011.10.14 02:19:00 -
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What is a Lemos?
Do you mean Lemons? |
Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.14 03:07:00 -
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Epic whine. |
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