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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.27 18:50:00 -
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Brumhilde Leidenfrau wrote:
THIS is what CCP cares about. Whatever price of PLEX maximizes shareholder value is the price it WILL be. See my first post.
And what if the maximum returns are found to be created when PLEX is allowed to be part of the in game economy? Just because they can control a thing does not mean that they do, nor does it preclude the idea that the ISK price for PLEX is at least in part defined by in game events.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
Brumhilde Leidenfrau
Taxmen Unite
5
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Posted - 2013.02.27 19:01:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Brumhilde Leidenfrau wrote:
THIS is what CCP cares about. Whatever price of PLEX maximizes shareholder value is the price it WILL be. See my first post.
And what if the maximum returns are found to be created when PLEX is allowed to be part of the in game economy? Just because they can control a thing does not mean that they do, nor does it preclude the idea that the ISK price for PLEX is at least in part defined by in game events.
Either I didn't explain myself well enough in my first post or you didn't read it.
I am too busy to put it in simpler terms. It is not that complicated, though. |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
178
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Posted - 2013.02.27 19:08:00 -
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Yeah, I just read through your first post again; you say yourself that as long as everything is fine revenue-wise CCP will be happy to let in game events drive the price of PLEX.
Then you go on to talk about shareholders and boardmembers like they are all modern day captain Bligh, I know a few game dev's, they are great people and they don't worry too much about "cracking the whip" because they are very bright people who can make a good living anywhere they choose.
As for investors with solely financial concerns; as in life you hire experts and let them do their jobs. If these investors wanted to run a game company then they could go and do that. They do not, they keep their hands in a bunch of interesting enterprises and double down on the best ones. Their decisions are made after the fact based on audits and long term prospectus. They don't call CCP on a daily basis and insist on PLEX sales.
And in terms of the PLEX to play player base; I know a few of those guys who just started funding their accounts with real cash again because Eve is a game and meant to be fun. Its a few bucks a month, a six pack of good beer, or 1 pizza. These addict players you talk about exist I'm sure, but if the price of PLEX gets too high there are also a lot of players who will just start paying to play out of pocket.
Do your co-workers have a good understanding of Eve, Are you sure they were laughing at Vaerah?
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
638
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Posted - 2013.02.27 19:10:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
I believe the price of PLEX is completely independent of the game economy. They just seem to correlate in that they are both influenced by some of the same outside forces.
Of course it's independant of the game economy & the FW LP summer bonanza didn't have any effects on the price of PLEX
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Brumhilde Leidenfrau
Taxmen Unite
5
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Posted - 2013.02.27 19:14:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Yeah, I just read through your first post again; you say yourself that as long as everything is fine revenue-wise CCP will be happy to let in game events drive the price of PLEX.
Then you go on to talk about shareholders and boardmembers like they are all modern day captain Bligh, I know a few game dev's, they are great people and they don't worry too much about "cracking the whip" because they are very bright people who can make a good living anywhere they choose.
As for investors with solely financial concerns; as in life you hire experts and let them do their jobs. If these investors wanted to run a game company then they could go and do that. They do not, they keep their hands in a bunch of interesting enterprises and double down on the best ones. Their decisions are made after the fact based on audits and long term prospectus. They don't call CCP on a daily basis and insist on PLEX sales.
And in terms of the PLEX to play player base; I know a few of those guys who just started funding their accounts with real cash again because Eve is a game and meant to be fun. Its a few bucks a month, a six pack of good beer, or 1 pizza. These addict players you talk about exist I'm sure, but if the price of PLEX gets too high there are also a lot of players who will just start paying to play out of pocket.
Do your co-workers have a good understanding of Eve, Are you sure they were laughing at Vaerah?
Too funny.
Yes, dear, I am sure you are right, the world IS run by those with good intentions.
The stakeholders in CCP are happy to let management run a company that doesn't maximize return. There is global warming to stop.
LOLOLOLOL. Just adorable.
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Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
178
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Posted - 2013.02.27 19:18:00 -
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Brumhilde Leidenfrau wrote:
Too funny.
Yes, dear, I am sure you are right, the world IS run by those with good intentions.
The stakeholders in CCP are happy to let management run a company that doesn't maximize return. There is global warming to stop.
LOLOLOLOL. Just adorable.
You are really just a nasty, mean person aren't you? Has that really helped you to "get ahead" in life? I have to say the people I know who are doing well are a lot more relaxed.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.27 19:18:00 -
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Do you work with mortgages?
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
Brumhilde Leidenfrau
Taxmen Unite
5
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Posted - 2013.02.27 19:20:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Brumhilde Leidenfrau wrote:
Too funny.
Yes, dear, I am sure you are right, the world IS run by those with good intentions.
The stakeholders in CCP are happy to let management run a company that doesn't maximize return. There is global warming to stop.
LOLOLOLOL. Just adorable.
You are really just a nasty, mean person aren't you? Has that really helped you to "get ahead" in life? I have to say the people I know who are doing well are a lot more relaxed.
I think you may be spending a bit too much time in virtual reality if you think it is mean and nasty to talk about how the real world works.
It's nice out today. Get out for some fresh air. God loves you. |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
178
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Posted - 2013.02.27 19:27:00 -
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Brumhilde Leidenfrau wrote: I think you may be spending a bit too much time in virtual reality if you think it is mean and nasty to talk about how the real world works.
It's nice out today. Get out for some fresh air. God loves you.
Your not omniscient, your views on the world are correct in some cases and incorrect in others. I don't know what kind of people you have to deal with on a regular basis to make you this way, but there are alternatives.
The nastiness is your idea of everyone acting out of this LCD survival of the meanest self interest. Life is just not like that, at least not the real people that I know and interact with.
And it is rotten out today, just above freezing and hard rain these past few hours. I'm staying right here.
God loves you to.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
178
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Posted - 2013.02.27 19:33:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Do your co-workers have a good understanding of Eve, Are you sure they were laughing at Vaerah?
Or by "co-workers" do you mean the 2 chiwawa'a, a potted plant, and one Hawaiian bobble headed hula girl near your desk?
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3864
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Posted - 2013.02.27 19:52:00 -
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Brumhilde Leidenfrau wrote:It's adorable that you are living in Eve. Your comments caused great mirth amongst my colleagues.
Fortunately for CCP's shareholders, management doesn't live there with you. PLEX belongs to them. It has nothing to do with what you think or say.
It was adorable though. Really. Made my day.
It's glad to see someone bringing in proven facts about how CCP works, the criteria they compute PLEX prices with and much more. All of it exposed in a completely nice and humble speech of yours.
Let me clue you in in some facts: if CCP was the regular, purely money driven company with the same plain mentality you think they have, then they'd be public and would have sold their enterpreunership and "soul" to the lame shareholders "I want profits NAO" mentality. If CCP was like the regular, purely money driven company, they'd have gone the "squeeze those idiots playing our product" route like most MMO companies have done and they'd have grandiously failed and closed shop like those.
If CCP was like the regular, purely money driven company it'd not care to have constant developers interaction with the players ("lol you WASTING valuable time talking with those monkeys? Get real, we are in for the money dude!").
If CCP was another regular company, we'd not celebrate 10 years of game's life and certainly in no other MMO people can easily think about "what we'll see in the next 10 years".
Maybe I am living in EvE, but you have not got in EvE at all.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Brumhilde Leidenfrau
Taxmen Unite
5
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Posted - 2013.02.27 20:08:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Brumhilde Leidenfrau wrote:It's adorable that you are living in Eve. Your comments caused great mirth amongst my colleagues.
Fortunately for CCP's shareholders, management doesn't live there with you. PLEX belongs to them. It has nothing to do with what you think or say.
It was adorable though. Really. Made my day.
It's glad to see someone bringing in proven facts about how CCP works, the criteria they compute PLEX prices with and much more. All of it exposed in a completely nice and humble speech of yours. Let me clue you in in some facts: if CCP was the regular, purely money driven company with the same plain mentality you think they have, then they'd be public and would have sold their enterpreunership and "soul" to the lame shareholders "I want profits NAO" mentality. If CCP was like the regular, purely money driven company, they'd have gone the "squeeze those idiots playing our product" route like most MMO companies have done and they'd have grandiously failed and closed shop like those. If CCP was like the regular, purely money driven company it'd not care to have constant developers interaction with the players ("lol you WASTING valuable time talking with those monkeys? Get real, we are in for the money dude!"). If CCP was another regular company, we'd not celebrate 10 years of game's life and certainly in no other MMO people can easily think about "what we'll see in the next 10 years". Maybe I am living in EvE, but you have not got in EvE at all.
Spoken like a true addict. I am sure CCP will quote you at the next meeting with their bankers.
Given the warm outpouring of love for Eve, I am going to go max long PLEX. And, if you are right about how CCP is managed, I will short CCP as a hedge. IT's a perfect trade. PLEX isnt worth money except to CCP and black marketeers, and CCP stock is not tradeable.
But at least we will have love. Why let in rabble-rousers like me at all? I say just keep the long-time folk in, financing by PLEX. No cash need ever change hands again. Ask the wives of the employees how happy they would be with that. They can buy bread with PLEX. It's a beautiful world. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3864
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Posted - 2013.02.27 20:19:00 -
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Brumhilde Leidenfrau wrote: Spoken like a true addict. I am sure CCP will quote you at the next meeting with their bankers.
No, but they have quoted me at Fanfest 2011 and a Dr Ejyo collaborator has written he likes my articles. I couldn't ask neither for more, nor for better.
Waiting to see you quoted by CCP's financial assets strategist.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Brumhilde Leidenfrau
Taxmen Unite
5
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Posted - 2013.02.27 20:28:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Brumhilde Leidenfrau wrote: Spoken like a true addict. I am sure CCP will quote you at the next meeting with their bankers.
No, but they have quoted me at Fanfest 2011 and a Dr Ejyo collaborator has written he likes my articles. I couldn't ask neither for more, nor for better. Waiting to see you quoted by CCP's financial assets strategist.
I have no stake in the firm. I am a customer. Customers generate revenue to pay employees and owners. Customers do not generate revenue to pay other customers.
As much as they would like to, I don't think they could keep the gates of Eve open for you unless the company turns a profit. I think the Russian owners are struggling as it is. If I meet any, I will send them your warmest regards. I have a funny feeling they won't care.
I am glad to see they are treating you nicely. They are supposed to make you feel warm and fuzzy. It is their job. I am sure they are nice people. It is a good thing when people are nice and do their jobs. Owners mostly care about the latter though.
It's not my rules. I am sorry if I have upset you. |
ngaly
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:53:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Let me clue you in in some facts: if CCP was the regular, purely money driven company with the same plain mentality you think they have, then they'd be public and would have sold their enterpreunership and "soul" to the lame shareholders "I want profits NAO" mentality. If CCP was like the regular, purely money driven company, they'd have gone the "squeeze those idiots playing our product" route like most MMO companies have done and they'd have grandiously failed and closed shop like those. You disproved yourself with that passage. You say CCP does not behave like companies which went bankrupt and instead behaves like a company that actually generates profit for a long time already? Well, I guess thatGÇÖs a pretty good definition of how a company that focuses on profit would behave. You seem to think you have to copy a company like Blizzard to have economic success. The truth is every company that tried to copy BlizzardGÇÖs mmo failed mostly. If CCPGÇÖs owner had the choice they would surely choose to be as profitable as Blizzard. ItGÇÖs not like CCPGÇÖs owners donGÇÖt want CCP to be more profitable. The problem is they simply donGÇÖt know how to be more profitable. There is surely no guide available that tells you how to be as profitable as Blizzard.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:If CCP was like the regular, purely money driven company it'd not care to have constant developers interaction with the players ("lol you WASTING valuable time talking with those monkeys? Get real, we are in for the money dude!"). Listening to customers to some degree and especially making customers believe that you listen to them and interacting with them is economically a very good decision. It satisfies customers and informs CCP about what customers want while causing only very little costs.
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:No, but they have quoted me at Fanfest 2011 and a Dr Ejyo collaborator has written he likes my articles. I couldn't ask neither for more, nor for better. You are a very active and know member of the community. You are providing content and you help CCP to find out what players want. CCP quotes you to reward you and because you know how to talk to the community. You know what has to be said to satisfy CCPGÇÖs customers. You are not necessarily saying whatGÇÖs right but instead you say what people want to hear. From CCPGÇÖs point of view your existence simply has a certain economic value which could be described in dollars. |
Brumhilde Leidenfrau
Taxmen Unite
5
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Posted - 2013.02.27 23:57:00 -
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ngaly wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Let me clue you in in some facts: if CCP was the regular, purely money driven company with the same plain mentality you think they have, then they'd be public and would have sold their enterpreunership and "soul" to the lame shareholders "I want profits NAO" mentality. If CCP was like the regular, purely money driven company, they'd have gone the "squeeze those idiots playing our product" route like most MMO companies have done and they'd have grandiously failed and closed shop like those. You disproved yourself with that passage. You say CCP does not behave like companies which went bankrupt and instead behaves like a company that actually generates profit for a long time already? Well, I guess thatGÇÖs a pretty good definition of how a company that focuses on profit would behave. You seem to think you have to copy a company like Blizzard to have economic success. The truth is every company that tried to copy BlizzardGÇÖs mmo failed mostly. If CCPGÇÖs owner had the choice they would surely choose to be as profitable as Blizzard. ItGÇÖs not like CCPGÇÖs owners donGÇÖt want CCP to be more profitable. The problem is they simply donGÇÖt know how to be more profitable. There is surely no guide available that tells you how to be as profitable as Blizzard. Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:If CCP was like the regular, purely money driven company it'd not care to have constant developers interaction with the players ("lol you WASTING valuable time talking with those monkeys? Get real, we are in for the money dude!"). Listening to customers to some degree and especially making customers believe that you listen to them and interacting with them is economically a very good decision. It satisfies customers and informs CCP about what customers want while causing only very little costs. Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:No, but they have quoted me at Fanfest 2011 and a Dr Ejyo collaborator has written he likes my articles. I couldn't ask neither for more, nor for better. You are a very active and know member of the community. You are providing content and you help CCP to find out what players want. CCP quotes you to reward you and because you know how to talk to the community. You know what has to be said to satisfy CCPGÇÖs customers. You are not necessarily saying whatGÇÖs right but instead you say what people want to hear. From CCPGÇÖs point of view your existence simply has a certain economic value which could be described in dollars.
My sentiments exactly, but much more eloquently and less threateningly put than I could have ever managed.
Thank you. |
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
129
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Posted - 2013.02.28 01:02:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Brumhilde Leidenfrau wrote: Spoken like a true addict. I am sure CCP will quote you at the next meeting with their bankers.
No, but they have quoted me at Fanfest 2011 and a Dr Ejyo collaborator has written he likes my articles. I couldn't ask neither for more, nor for better. Waiting to see you quoted by CCP's financial assets strategist.
Wow, hasn't your posting hit an all-time low here, pepridge levels of sperg even.
Someone liking an article, doesn't mean its content is validated/correct, i'm not going to argue with you about your "methods", each to there own.
It's just that each post you make in MD lately, it seems you are always trying to prove you are correct, instead of conceding that players are smarter, do things faster/better, make more isk on the market that you & your methods. in one thread you compared yourself to BMBE for heavens sake.
time to lighten up imo, get of the soapbox. Im worried for you VV, i think you need a break from this game, or at the least the forums, it's become your life it seems.
Pro tip: none of this matters. I've accidentally swallowed some Scrabble tiles. My next **** could spell disaster.
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Brumhilde Leidenfrau
Taxmen Unite
5
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Posted - 2013.02.28 02:12:00 -
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Candy Oshea wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Brumhilde Leidenfrau wrote: Spoken like a true addict. I am sure CCP will quote you at the next meeting with their bankers.
No, but they have quoted me at Fanfest 2011 and a Dr Ejyo collaborator has written he likes my articles. I couldn't ask neither for more, nor for better. Waiting to see you quoted by CCP's financial assets strategist. Wow, hasn't your posting hit an all-time low here, pepridge levels of sperg even. Someone liking an article, doesn't mean its content is validated/correct, i'm not going to argue with you about your "methods", each to there own. It's just that each post you make in MD lately, it seems you are always trying to prove you are correct, instead of conceding that players are smarter, do things faster/better, make more isk on the market that you & your methods. in one thread you compared yourself to BMBE for heavens sake. time to lighten up imo, get of the soapbox. Im worried for you VV, i think you need a break from this game, or at the least the forums, it's become your life it seems. Pro tip: none of this matters.
Out of curiosity, I just looked through VV's posting history. Potential clinical insanity. I hereby withdraw anything I may have said impugning his/her/its comments. And, no, I don't live at that address anymore. Just leave me and my family alone. I hereby withdraw from this thread.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3865
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Posted - 2013.02.28 06:43:00 -
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Candy Oshea wrote:
It's just that each post you make in MD lately, it seems you are always trying to prove you are correct, instead of conceding that players are smarter, do things faster/better, make more isk on the market that you & your methods. in one thread you compared yourself to BMBE for heavens sake.
Candy, considering my MD posting is focused on:
- A charity - A financial analysis thread - A free trading course tutorial
if that's "hitting an all time low" then I guess I should just stick to GD poasting like so many others and revel in the 20,000 likes.
What I am trying to prove is not that I am correct, but that all the huge wagonloads of manure I get thrown every single day is undeserved. I know well enough the good and the bad of the things I use:
"You are fundamentally right on two sides:"
"Therefore it's indeed a step behind every step of the way."
"Moreover it WILL perform worse than a perfectly executed Mynna fundamental analysis (see we talk enough about these things) and it WILL perform worse than a well done manipulation.
So you see, I am not deluded about this stuff, I know it's limits fairly well."
Does it look like trying to prove it's doing better or quicker? I don't think so.
As for BMBE, when confronted with the usual unconstructive insulting (see how they keep getting their posts cut off by ISDs?) I just bring in pure numbers. If someone says my 8% a month on 100B is so awful all I can do is to call in an example about other large investments and how much they give to the investors.
Pretty please tell me how would you approach this kind of continuous hostility against you, in a pretty and cheering way and I'll try do follow your suggestion. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3865
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Posted - 2013.02.28 07:00:00 -
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Also, I try to start as constructive as I can.
"I disagree on two levels" with a reasoned explanation is not confrontational nor defensive at all.
But when the replies are of the kind:
Brumhilde Leidenfrau wrote: It's adorable that you are living in Eve. Your comments caused great mirth amongst my colleagues.
Fortunately for CCP's shareholders, management doesn't live there with you. PLEX belongs to them. It has nothing to do with what you think or say.
It was adorable though. Really. Made my day.
Brumhilde Leidenfrau wrote: I am too busy to put it in simpler terms. It is not that complicated, though.
Brumhilde Leidenfrau wrote: Too funny.
Yes, dear, I am sure you are right, the world IS run by those with good intentions.
The stakeholders in CCP are happy to let management run a company that doesn't maximize return. There is global warming to stop.
LOLOLOLOL. Just adorable.
then it means such person is behaving in a gratuitous, very hostile way, and you see I am not the only one ITT saying that. Sadly one of my defects is that I don't play nice with that kind.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
131
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Posted - 2013.02.28 10:22:00 -
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VV when i first read this thread, i read bugsy's post the left satisfied.
When i came back to the thread i see you have quoted him, in disagreement, but instead of providing an argument or "reasoned explanation as you put it" you:
- explained that gold can't vanish - explained plex's role in the in-game economy, saying the plex economy is tied to the US dollar, and it exists only when eve exists - Compared Isk prices to USD, via a website - Starting talking about hedges & derivatives, within the game economy - something about tieing to BPO's - spent the last paragraph trying to explain CCP actually play with plex on the game market, and this ties in with when they should sell it.
Hence my post, & your new level.
Some players don't have any 'tact' when they post, and can't help but belittle someone who doesn't know what they are talking about, in their posting, such is the case here, where Brumhilde's post, although belittling, had a message, one that you skipped over, again and again, and then turned it a personal sledge war, ala jerry pepridge. where you end up with a completely pompous attitude, cross your arms with your head in the air and sperg:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Brumhilde Leidenfrau wrote: Spoken like a true addict. I am sure CCP will quote you at the next meeting with their bankers.
No, but they have quoted me at Fanfest 2011 and a Dr Ejyo collaborator has written he likes my articles. I couldn't ask neither for more, nor for better. Waiting to see you quoted by CCP's financial assets strategist.
From the read of Bugsy's, Brum, Debra Tao, pepridge & OP + several others etc, they are quite obviously knowledgeable on the subject of economics. Quite possibly even study in university's on the matter.
So with regards to your question: In the case of Brumhilde, i would have tried to turn the situation into a learning one, where i can gather more information about the subject matter, and be open to change my view. I am man enough to admit when i am wrong * t doesn't bother me like it does some.
Just take it easy mate, none of this is real nor does it matter, and don't quote me out of context, and drag it into some stupid look here i did this i did that post, im not arguing with anyone, its not worth the time. I've accidentally swallowed some Scrabble tiles. My next **** could spell disaster.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3867
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Posted - 2013.02.28 12:05:00 -
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You know I have intense English issues, in fact I can read your reply but don't understand a lot of it I did not want to belittle Bugsy, just to tell I don't agree and have listed some points about why I don't.
If the way I have written it is offensive I really and sincerely apologize to him!
I even went so far to go dig some old correlation threads to put some more meat on the table.
As for the other poster, I did not quote her, I did not do anything but got some ill written reply.
We had an economics minister here who is a little genius, but he's universally hated and unheard exactly because he shows an attitude that makes the next guy skip his genius content and want to hit him with a club. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Debra Tao
Perkone Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2013.02.28 12:55:00 -
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Plex's price appears, to me, to be directly tied up to the average income for the grunt in k-space. Eve wealth is clearly in the hand of a minority, most people have to grind to pay for their spaceships and subscription.
With FW many grunts were able to boost their income, from a pale 20 to 50 mil isk per hour to 300-800 mil isk per hour. Even if the overall FW process is an isk sink that doesn't matter, the isk went from traders pocket to grunt pocket effectively distributing more evenly the currency. Two things happened there : people went to buy plex to sub their account and to invest because these people aren't experienced traders and thought that plex's price would rise ...
The FW nerf stopped that and CCP also took care of Plex's price effectively diminishing the bubble.
Now the basic grunts don't have an easy access to such income, they are back to step one. However with ship rebalancing prices of frigates, cruisers and now BCs have increased. The purchasing power of 95% of eve players has diminished while the rich 5% took full advantage of implants'price and patchs.
Contrary to a popular belief Plex's price has little to do with inflation, it's linked to the purchasing power of the average player and the velocity of money. |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2013.03.01 04:28:00 -
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Claire Coffee wrote:@OP
Open graph. Make it show 1 year period. Behold.
You're welcome.
Your AVATAR Is.... awesome. |
Mark Rain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.01 06:04:00 -
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Volume dries up on Wallstreet as schools let out and vacations start.
I would say the EVE market would be similiar...buy the dips ;) |
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
131
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Posted - 2013.03.01 08:42:00 -
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Brumhilde Leidenfrau wrote: Too funny.
Yes, dear, I am sure you are right, the world IS run by those with good intentions.
The stakeholders in CCP are happy to let management run a company that doesn't maximize return. There is global warming to stop.
LOLOLOLOL. Just adorable.
Aussie with it. I've accidentally swallowed some Scrabble tiles. My next **** could spell disaster.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
655
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Posted - 2013.03.01 19:22:00 -
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Debra Tao wrote:Plex's price appears, to me, to be directly tied up to the average income for the grunt in k-space. Eve wealth is clearly in the hand of a minority, most people have to grind to pay for their spaceships and subscription.
(snip) The FW nerf stopped that and CCP also took care of Plex's price effectively diminishing the bubble.
Now the basic grunts don't have an easy access to such income, they are back to step one.
(snip) Contrary to a popular belief Plex's price has little to do with inflation, it's linked to the purchasing power of the average player and the velocity of money.
One other thing that may be going on from my impressions (anecdotal ) of posts in the Missions & Complexes subforum is that the new NPC AI / TD bug may have cut deeply into many's incomes.
Sigh with out DEV blogs or tweets with the faucets & sinks like the link in my OP any helpul discussion here in the foums is serious hampered. Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |
Ark Destroyer
Neutral Talent
280
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Posted - 2013.03.01 20:15:00 -
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Bought a nice chunk of plexes below 500mil... nice to see prices delfate somewhat, would be even nicer if they kept dropping! Neutral Talent CEO Specializing in "complete" super-capital packages
Complete supercapital packages |
Debra Tao
Perkone Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2013.03.02 06:30:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote: One other thing that may be going on from my impressions (anecdotal ) of posts in the Missions & Complexes subforum is that the new NPC AI / TD bug may have cut deeply into many's incomes.
That's probably negligible... Although i would be surprised to see PLEX's price go down. 500mil is a pretty strong support and there is on more discount. |
Cooyaw
Cajun Fast Mart
26
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Posted - 2013.03.02 13:48:00 -
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Nonk all dat VV crap, tred ain't abot dat.
I see ships as the gold in eve in the fact that THEY ARENT GOING ANYWHERE
prices will rise and fall based on nerf's buffs etc.
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