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S'Way
Bitter Vets
447
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Posted - 2013.02.26 14:51:00 -
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New server - no.
More systems - yes please.
Add new low sec regions between each of the four main empires to turn each into a high sec island. (as long as there's plenty of entry / exit points so that people just can't camp a main pipeline all day). This would drag some of the volume out of Jita and stimulate the other market hubs, give local manufacturers a boost, break up the monotony of being able to fly almost anywhere in high sec afk, faction warfare more systems to contest....and a reason for people to at least visit low sec again.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7863
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Posted - 2013.02.26 16:14:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:dark heartt wrote:I think the OP has missed the point of Eve being in a single shard server setup and the fact that having lots of people is a good thing for Eve... So if we hit 70k players? 80k players? You dont think any expansion of space is needed?
Let's talk when we're seeing Sunday evenings regularly hit 100k Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
568
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Posted - 2013.02.26 16:26:00 -
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You want nul like income without the blob, try a wormhole. Want a New region, try a wormhole.
There is already a perfectly functional mechanic that would allow the addition of New systems without any map changes, just increase the number of available wormhole systems. Then increase the number of wormhole connections to hi, low, and nul space.
As for hi sec being crowded, move out of caldari space. There are ample regions, with decent agents, stations, etc in high sec that are devoid of people. |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
485
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Posted - 2013.02.26 16:37:00 -
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I'd say that some regions of lowsec are completely unused because of where theyre placed. It's completely pointless half of it. No connections for logistical things etc. Why not just make some more highsec routes cut through to deeper lowsec? and maybe make the regions that are less contested and wanted, more contested by adding things like more neodymium/platinum moons for the lowsec alliances to fight over.
Maybe a way of making isk for people who arent alligned to FW? Like a hub that someone can take, and then give to whichever faction they like (Including pirate factions). This might encourage people to go to places like Derelik etc more often as lowsec roamers.
Ninjaedit: Also some more low->0.0 entrance systems! always good for both parties! |
TheButcherPete
The James Gang R O G U E
231
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Posted - 2013.02.26 16:56:00 -
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Jovian Space Bzzt.
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fazeley
Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
0
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Posted - 2013.02.26 17:21:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:No second server. Ever.
Make Eve bigger however? Hell yes. More diverse areas of space, Maybe patches of nullsec ONLY accessible by WH, islands of hisec with some nice resources or missions, right in the middle of a big area of lowsec. Lowsec that is actually interesting.
Small patches of nullsec that are NOT accessible to capitals jumping from any other null or lowsec space. Space that has anomolies like that big explosive cloud and stuff like that. Make it big and interesting.
I quite agree - reconfigure the space that is already there. I'd love to see the four high-sec empires existing as islands in low / 0.0 sec. Would be cool if there was a mechanic to raise / lower sec status of systems. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1098
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Posted - 2013.02.26 17:30:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I've roamed through vast empty pipes of highsec recently, and lowsec has some systems that are almost permanently empty.
The problem isn't the size of the universe, it's force projection.
This this this, a thousand times this. The Eve universe is physically large enough, it's just so easy to move around in, it feels like your backyard. My alliance lives at the ass end of Tenerifis - it's something like 50 jumps to highsec, yet I can get there in 10 minutes with a carrier and a couple of alts.
If you combined making people work to hold their space (farms and fields ideas) with a nerf to force projection, you'd see a lot more people in null simply because it would feel larger, so they would feel like there was room for them to start something of their own and expand. That expansion of the population would, in turn, contribute to the feeling of expanded space because it would become harder .to roam for 30 jumps unmolested by the locals - and so it goes.
The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1098
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Posted - 2013.02.26 17:34:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Nova Satar wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Nova Satar wrote:I guess from all the single shard replies i should clarify, i wouldn't see it has a second server that people can just switch between and log onto whichever they prefer. You'd either be on one or another, and that's that. It's still a single shard and sandbox style game, but it just fixes what i believe is a population problem.
The same way we can't log onto the Chinese Server, this doesn't take away from "what makes eve great" so why would a second server for the 1st world. The Chinese server exists because of politics and real life laws, not because of anything to do with the game population. Thats irrelevant lol Then why did you bring it up to support your argument if it's irrelevant? The reason why the Chinese server is irrelevant, the fact it does just gives an examples of how a second server might work. Have we lost the sandbox greatness that everbody is harping on about because of the chinese server was made? No.
But it's existence is irrelevant to your argument - you might as well say, oh well we have Sisi so that's a perfect example of why we can have another server. Except it's not. The Chinese server doesn't talk to TQ, they have completely separate markets, PvP, databases, power blocs, etc. All you would do is dilute the player base with that model, and by extension, reduce the single quality that separates Eve from games like Wow - that my actions can, in theory, impact EVERYONE that plays this game. No other game that I know of can make that claim. If you kill that, you kill what makes Eve unique. The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
409
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Posted - 2013.02.26 17:36:00 -
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No to a second server Yes to more space "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
Hernan Johuihen
Zero Atmosphere
2
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Posted - 2013.02.26 17:52:00 -
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lmao pls nooooo! |
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1862
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Posted - 2013.02.26 18:05:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Single-shard game is one of the greatest things Eve has going for it. Second (or more) servers would just dilute the playerbase and make everything less interesting. Agreed, but eventually it could be exactly the same as it is now, but across two servers? What i'm saying is, if numbers continue to grow and TQ is kept as is, it's surely going to reach a point where something needs to happen. Also, what would peoples thoughts be on more regions, and i don;t mean one more fw region like before, what if the universe doubled in size?? Something will happen.
CCP will develop more technology to allow even more people toplay on the single server; just like they've been doing sinse '03.
CCP puts in a lot of effort to ensure that more an more people can play on TQ. Slow continual growth has been a blessing for CCP, not a curse. |
Obvious Cyno
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.02.26 20:05:00 -
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6/10 |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
881
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Posted - 2013.02.26 20:16:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:
The question is, could extra regions help this, or could there even be the possibility of a second server?
What part of Single-shard sandbox do you not get? And why would you invite the possiblity of another "Trammel Event..?" Do you really hate EVE that much?
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
808
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Posted - 2013.02.26 20:22:00 -
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Null sec is very poorly managed by players.
Emptiness speaks volumes.
No one wants to fight, just stock pile isk for the sake of stock piling ISK.
Don't need more space. Need more nerfs to stick piling ISC so people use it --- GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥ GÇò Philip K. **** |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
458
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Posted - 2013.02.26 20:25:00 -
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the new eve online universe should be called trammel Follow me on twitter |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
881
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Posted - 2013.02.26 20:27:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Nova Satar wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Nova Satar wrote:I guess from all the single shard replies i should clarify, i wouldn't see it has a second server that people can just switch between and log onto whichever they prefer. You'd either be on one or another, and that's that. It's still a single shard and sandbox style game, but it just fixes what i believe is a population problem.
The same way we can't log onto the Chinese Server, this doesn't take away from "what makes eve great" so why would a second server for the 1st world. The Chinese server exists because of politics and real life laws, not because of anything to do with the game population. Thats irrelevant lol Then why did you bring it up to support your argument if it's irrelevant? The reason why the Chinese server is irrelevant, the fact it does just gives an examples of how a second server might work. Have we lost the sandbox greatness that everbody is harping on about because of the chinese server was made? No. No, it does not. The Chinese server exists purely due to legal and political factors in the real world, and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with gameplay - using it as an example of a multi-sharded universe is worse than obtuse. Bad example is horrible. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Davith en Divalone
Plate of Beans Incorporated
83
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Posted - 2013.02.26 21:56:00 -
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I suspect that without a vibrant economy to back it, at least half of the professions in the game would become worthless. And where would I get ammunition, drones, and replacement ships? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2323
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Posted - 2013.02.26 22:13:00 -
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I wish people would stop thinking of EVE as a dungeon full of rooms.
But then CCP has certainly set it up that way. A couple of doors, a table or two and a few stacks of toys.
These are supposed to be entire star systems. So why do they feel crowded with three pilots in them? There should be plenty to do for thousands in each system. But no. Sadly, CCP has stopped at a gate, a station and a belt for the most part. There could be so much more.
So, OP, the last thing needed is another shard. What's needed is to have something to do in the one we have now.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1641
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Posted - 2013.02.26 22:25:00 -
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The map could be made bigger just by adding systems. Soe regions are huge, like Domain and Delve. Some are small likeFade and Verge vendor. Systems could be added to the small ones.
It would be interesting if we players could find new systems and build the stargates.
Or entire new regions could be added.
A new shard? It would have to be essentially a different game to be something to do. Like eve with greatly strengthened NPCs and no PvP space combat. Something like that would be a place to put people who are told to "go play STO". They would be playing a different game, but still sending their money to CCP.
An all PvE shard would be hard to balance. What drives the economy? With Trammel the answer was "nothing" and the economy got all screwed up. All I can see is the NPCs would have to be sufficiently difficult to blow up ships in sufficient number to drive the economy. And they would have to be dynamic: If insufficient ships are exploding, they get tougher.
But it would give a place for all those who like eve, but not pvp space combat a place to go. You get it? All that whining would go away. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
287
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Posted - 2013.02.26 23:12:00 -
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I'm really getting the kick out of all the people saying NO to a second server...
When there is one already. What a pack of ignorant twits.
Server 1: Tranquility Server 2: Serenity
Sure, Serenity is the chinese server, and you will need a little help getting onto it, but it IS a second server, it IS a live server, and it does have the smaller more empty population count you are looking for.
You're welcome. And hopefully we stop getting idiots replying in this thread who say there will never be a second server. There has been for years now. |
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Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
35
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Posted - 2013.02.26 23:25:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:I'm really getting the kick out of all the people saying NO to a second server...
When there is one already. What a pack of ignorant twits.
Server 1: Tranquility Server 2: Serenity
Sure, Serenity is the chinese server, and you will need a little help getting onto it, but it IS a second server, it IS a live server, and it does have the smaller more empty population count you are looking for.
You're welcome. And hopefully we stop getting idiots replying in this thread who say there will never be a second server. There has been for years now. That is only because China is a backwards country whose government oppresses its people. If China wasn't so ****** up then all of those players would be on TQ. |
Lupus Borealis
Lupus Borealis Trading
2
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Posted - 2013.02.26 23:28:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:There must be others like me who feel that EVE just doesn't feel like it used to. No empty space to explore or quiet hunting lands to roam, it doesnt feel BIG anymore and i think a game set in space probably should.... It's rare to find any lowsec areas with less than 10 people every other system and empire is just a big mess. Null has some space sure, but you can't get to it without having to go through some massively congested areas so that argument is non exsistant.
I'd be surprised if those who remember the servers at 35,000 max would say it's better now at 60,000...
The question is, could extra regions help this, or could there even be the possibility of a second server?
Edit: Snipped foul language; please don't use profanity, it's against the rules. ISD Suvetar Most of the 0.0 systems are practically empty. |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Silent Requiem
49
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Posted - 2013.02.26 23:38:00 -
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Nova Satar wrote:dark heartt wrote:I think the OP has missed the point of Eve being in a single shard server setup and the fact that having lots of people is a good thing for Eve... So if we hit 70k players? 80k players? You dont think any expansion of space is needed?
No it genuinely isn't needed. There is still empty space out there, and the really heavily populated systems are that way because the player base made them that way. You have to remember that the game is player driven. If you want to be away from the other players, scan down a wormhole and live out there. You might get a visitor every now and then but most of the time you can be alone. |
dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Silent Requiem
49
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Posted - 2013.02.26 23:45:00 -
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Arronicus wrote:I'm really getting the kick out of all the people saying NO to a second server...
When there is one already. What a pack of ignorant twits.
Server 1: Tranquility Server 2: Serenity
Sure, Serenity is the chinese server, and you will need a little help getting onto it, but it IS a second server, it IS a live server, and it does have the smaller more empty population count you are looking for.
You're welcome. And hopefully we stop getting idiots replying in this thread who say there will never be a second server. There has been for years now.
You are the idiot here. China wouldn't have a second server if their Government wasn't so backwards that they stopped that from playing on Tranquility. All of those chinese players would be on the single server if it wasn't for that.
There will never be a second version of Tranquility which is what people are talking about when they say another server. But then again I suppose you aren't really here to understand that sort of stuff which most other people seem to get. |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1101
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Posted - 2013.02.26 23:56:00 -
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Davith en Divalone wrote:I suspect that without a vibrant economy to back it, at least half of the professions in the game would become worthless. And where would I get ammunition, drones, and replacement ships?
You'd have to ... no, I can't say it - it's too terrible. Ok I'll do it, but I warned you.
You'd have to mine and then build them yourself.
The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3134
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Posted - 2013.02.27 00:04:00 -
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The FW region between Mehatoor and Mili tends to be sparsely populated. Regularly patrolled, but sparsely populated. Most of the people you do find there will be doing FW PVE, and run away when anyone else enters system.
What do you want lowsec to be? A desert wasteland where you can quietly mine without risk? If that was possible, the mining there wouldn't be worth the time (because everyone would be doing the risk free high profit activity and flooding the market and devaluing the activity they're participating in).
Why is it important to find unpopulated systems?
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Davith en Divalone
Plate of Beans Incorporated
84
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Posted - 2013.02.27 00:45:00 -
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Which defeats the whole point of skill specialization and economic MMO play. One of the things that makes EVE unique is economic interdependence across all of the various activities, in contrast to something like WOW where participation in the economy is largely optional. |
Haseo Antares
Corollary Forest Fairytail.
24
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Posted - 2013.02.27 01:50:00 -
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On the test server(s), if you avoid the combat system(s), one could go forever without running into another player. Hell last time I was on SISI, Jita local was completely empty aside from my alts. If you want to get lost on TQ, go hop in a C4 or C5 wh system. I'd wager you wouldn't want to do that to often unless your a masochist (wh dweller). We currently have the world's greatest linguists and scientists trying to decode whatn++ you just said. |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
175
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Posted - 2013.02.27 02:40:00 -
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Do away with local.
Nerf Jump drives and bridges.
Allow theft of moon goo from ungaurded arrays.
Create one way wormholes.
new constellations that cant be built in and wont accept cap ships.
Random wormholes that suck whole fleets into hidden constellations, cut off from the rest of New Eden, for a week or so.
jump clone viruses that randomly kill of JC's.
Different sounds for the jump gates in different regions.
Have jump gates malfunction and drop people into interstellar ice fields, some with harvestable treasure, others with ancient relics of something else.
Replace CONCORD with faction navies, each one with different regulations and enforcement protocols.
Separate the empires with lowsec pipes.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
Corey Fumimasa
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
175
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Posted - 2013.02.27 02:56:00 -
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Split tritanium into 4 different minerals, equal amounts required for all manufacture, and have those 4 types of trit available one to an empire. Or maybe racial ships and goods need less of the other 3 and majority of their home mineral.
make indy slots available everywhere so that logistics runs to highsec are not mandatory.
Have more developed group roles in combat fleets for the different occupations, and make those roles as important as DPS. This will encourage players into more specialized roles. One of the things that makes Eve feel small is the homogeneous appearance of skill sets, I think that more visible differentiation between occupations would make Eve feel more diverse.
Make small scale gypsy playstyle a bit more accessible, smaller, harder to catch ships capable of moving a few rigged ships. And at the same time give more advantages for staying in one place. Perhaps faster align times and easier scanning for systems that a player spends most time in. Force these two playstyles into conflict.
Different colored text for characters from different races. Maybe a different font!
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
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