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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
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Posted - 2013.02.27 07:05:00 -
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Oniseki-haani, it is always frightening when an avowed diplomat judges dialog to be worthless. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
239
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Posted - 2013.02.27 13:45:00 -
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Blaque's speech is an attempt at escalation. The situation has been stable for almost half a century by now. I am sure that the only threat to the federation's constitution from the Strikeforce in orbit around Home comes from people like Blaque himself.
We came for Home, not for vengeance. Your federation's thirst for it will only spawn more, as we'll be forced to respond in kind. And we will. We do not lack the determination to do what needs to be done. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Astera Zandraki
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.02.27 14:39:00 -
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Desiderya wrote:Blaque's speech is an attempt at escalation. The situation has been stable for almost half a century by now. I am sure that the only threat to the federation's constitution from the Strikeforce in orbit around Home comes from people like Blaque himself.
We came for Home, not for vengeance. Your federation's thirst for it will only spawn more, as we'll be forced to respond in kind. And we will. We do not lack the determination to do what needs to be done.
Stable for almost half a century? Well, I would have thought that recent events demonstrate just how hilariously wrong that statement is.
The strikeforce in orbit around the Caldari homeworld exists nor for one reason, but two. Firstly to defend the planet against any Federal counter attack, the second is to hold a gun to the heads of all Federal citizens on the planet. Until they are allowed to leave freely, then there can be no peace.
Once these hostages are freed, then terms for the official transfer of Caldari Prime to the State can be negotiated.
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
240
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:05:00 -
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Half a decade, or in other words, since the one-day-war. Apologies for fumbled words.
Of course it is an implied threat. You can bet that without it there would've been a military intervention long ago. Consider it an insurance policy.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Astera Zandraki
Moira. Villore Accords
43
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:08:00 -
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Desiderya wrote:Half a decade, or in other words, since the one-day-war. Apologies for fumbled words.
Of course it is an implied threat. You can bet that without it there would've been a military intervention long ago. Consider it an insurance policy.
Granted. However, this 'insurance policy' is one of the many barriers standing between us and peace. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
944
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:11:00 -
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Clearly the only solution is to migrate Home into State space via a giant wormhole array. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
242
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:39:00 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote: Granted. However, this 'insurance policy' is one of the many barriers standing between us and peace.
Agreed. I'd like to point out that if there were genocidal tendencies the situation would've been exploited for these actions right in the beginning. There was - and is - the possibility to bombard gallentean districts and there at least was the possibility to visit gallente prime before a rapid response could've been mustered.
That would have been costly, without a doubt, but seeing as the action was supposedly mandated by a raving lunatic this wouldn't have been an issue, no? In the end the offer of a ceasefire once Home was reclaimed was a proof of the intentions. I find it endearing that pilots like Inhonores continue talking about 'annexing Placid' when all that is done there is happening according to the CEMWPA and can be summarized as 'governing and using conquered territories and assets'.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Astera Zandraki
Moira. Villore Accords
43
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Posted - 2013.02.27 15:41:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Clearly the only solution is to migrate Home into State space via a giant wormhole array.
It would be easier! But, seriously, there can be co-existence in the system, just a few concessions on both sides and we can have peace, even cooperation.
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
477
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:22:00 -
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After listening to the inflamed rhetoric coming from both sides (although the Caldari seem to be winning in this round of militant banter) I'm convinced that there's no peaceful solution to this issue short of the universe moving Caldari Prime out of the Luminaire system.
Hopefully this will be an object to future generations after the two former partners manage to destroy each other. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Malcolm Khross
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
608
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Posted - 2013.02.27 17:30:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:After listening to the inflamed rhetoric coming from both sides (although the Caldari seem to be winning in this round of militant banter) I'm convinced that there's no peaceful solution to this issue short of the universe moving Caldari Prime out of the Luminaire system.
Hopefully this will be an object to future generations after the two former partners manage to destroy each other.
Nothing is gained by surrendering hope. ~Malcolm Khross
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
415
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Posted - 2013.02.27 20:41:00 -
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Astera Zandraki wrote:Stitcher wrote:Clearly the only solution is to migrate Home into State space via a giant wormhole array. It would be easier! But, seriously, there can be co-existence in the system, just a few concessions on both sides and we can have peace, even cooperation.
Agreed. Maybe when the Leviathan has been there another five years without incident the Federation will overcome it's fear and we can hammer out a lasting solution. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
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Posted - 2013.02.27 20:44:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:So in order to bring the Federation to the negotiating table all we have to do is impeach our leader and take away the only thing stopping you from re-invading the planet again?
That seems fair. /sarcasm
The only thing keeping the Federation from re-invading the planet is CONCORD.
I was about to add the Yulai accords in the equation, but apparently respecting them is not so much fashionable these days. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
243
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Posted - 2013.02.27 20:52:00 -
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I like to think that the price they'd have to pay for the planet has an impact as well. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
429
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Posted - 2013.02.27 21:23:00 -
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I like to think that that price goes both ways.
I also like to think that only extremists on both sides do not really care or actually secretly wish for it to happen. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
417
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Posted - 2013.02.28 06:05:00 -
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The only thing that makes the Leviathan a workable threat is the belief that, if called upon, it will be used.
So, I beg you, set aside the idea that the crew will not send it straight to Gallentia to fire upon the largest visible city the moment a Federation task force is seen to be preparing an attack. Failing that, it will fire upon the largest concentration of Gallente citizens on Caldari Prime.
This is not a matter of extremism, it is a matter of ever being taken seriously again, if our bluff is called and we fail to act. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
244
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Posted - 2013.02.28 11:27:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:I like to think that that price goes both ways.
Of course it does. If our hand will be forced to act then I think that there's likely not one soul in this strikeforce that'll hesitate.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
947
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Posted - 2013.02.28 13:44:00 -
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the fact is that one lone Leviathan, even with navy-grade systems and modules, is not exactly going to slow down any kind of a serious assault. FedNav have more than enough Erebuses (Erebi?) to turn any lone capital ship into an ecological disaster in seconds.
Certainly, Gallente Prime is sufficiently well defended that the Leviathan (and I really wish we at least knew its name) would be unlikely to accomplish anything should it assault that planet other than raining from the sky in little flaming bits.
Its status is purely symbolic. I don't see how it poses a credible military threat at all, which makes any speeches about the danger it poses pure rhetoric. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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